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RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 1/10/2012 12:12:31 PM   
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When Fergie moans about added time, you know he is covering up the fact that his team were useless yesterday. Only the fact that Spurs didn't put someone on Scholes made the game a bit edgy. Spurs fully deserved the win, congrats AVB.


Did you just watch the first half?

I'd say Spurs just about deserved the result but Utd could easily have gotten something out of the game, we pummelled them for 40 minutes of the 2nd half.

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RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 1/10/2012 5:32:37 PM   
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When Fergie moans about added time, you know he is covering up the fact that his team were useless yesterday. Only the fact that Spurs didn't put someone on Scholes made the game a bit edgy. Spurs fully deserved the win, congrats AVB.


Did you just watch the first half?

I'd say Spurs just about deserved the result but Utd could easily have gotten something out of the game, we pummelled them for 40 minutes of the 2nd half.


I saw the whole match, and I actually put a bet on Utd to win when the score went to 2-3, but it didn't happen, Spurs were resilient and had they put someone on Scholes it would have been more comfortable for them.

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RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 6/10/2012 4:41:26 PM   
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RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 6/10/2012 4:47:23 PM   
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I'm placing a significant chunk of my fantasy football hope on Arsenal trashing West Ham. Big Sam and his "game plan" can feck off.

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RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 6/10/2012 4:50:56 PM   
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I'm placing a significant chunk of my fantasy football hope on Arsenal trashing West Ham. Big Sam and his "game plan" can feck off.


I like your intentions, but there's more than just hot air around the idea that the Arse don't like physical games. 10 points behind Chelsea, this is the kind of game Arsenal need to control and win if they are serious about having a crack at the title.

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RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 6/10/2012 5:01:15 PM   
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RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 6/10/2012 5:06:29 PM   
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RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 7/10/2012 6:36:52 AM   
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 Cazorla is a great player, there is nothing he can't do on a football pitch. It shows you how good Spain are when he struggles to get in their team.

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RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 11/10/2012 4:27:44 PM   
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 International breaks are boring aren't they.

Here are some quick observations from the small amount of football I've seen so far this season.

  1. One of the joys of football is watching an astute tactical mind make a change. Sometimes these are substitutions, but for the last two seasons it seems that Utd have had to do this after a particularly telling result.

    Last season it was the heavy defeat to City that caused Ferguson to deploy a tighter formation and style. You can say this either kept them in the title chase or ultimately cost them the title by goal difference, but he saw a problem and implemented a solution.

    The vast majority of fans who feel that more signings were needed for Utd in midfield won't be surprised to see this is the problem area again. This time their first loss to Spurs at home since Lineker was in short trousers has led to Rooney dropping back into midfield. Its an interesting move and one that he looked well prepared for a few seasons ago. IMO his ability as a footballer has not progressed as much as it could have done in the last two seasons. So it will be interesting to see if this rejuvenates Rooney and what effect a returning Young or Fletcher will have on the diamond.

  2. A couple of years ago I wrote a post on here that no-one cared about WBA as they were a yo-yo team. I felt pretty bad once I'd written it, but it was there. So I kind of feel that the kicking I might get from karma I deserve. Still a long way to go in the season, but Steve Clarke seems to be building on last season. Be interesting to see how Dan Ashworth's move in the summer to the FA will change things.

  3. Mancini's critics can still point at his CL record and tut. While he still has a comparatively rich squad you can see why he was tearing his hair out in the summer as Chelsea invested heavily. Its a difficult group again, but a failure two seasons in a row to qualify from the group would be a big hit for a team with big plans.

  4. Ravel Morrison (remember him former best talent from the Utd youth since Scholes, off-loaded to West Ham because he has no attitude for the game) is still an idiot. Obviously Sam didn't get on with him so well as he pushed him out to Birmingham who are apparently sick of him already. Maybe someone[/link] should make him watch this Ian Wright interview (http://www.thefootballramble.com/latest/entry/ian-wright-documentary).

  5. I'm pretty bored of handshakes, diving, JT, Ashley Cole and Twitter

  6. Why don't teams just ask Atletico (Torres, a goal-scoring Forlan, Aguero, Falcao) which striker they would buy if they wanted one

  7. If Mark Hughes is still in a job at Christmas I'll... I'll... I'll be quite surprised



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RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 11/10/2012 4:46:36 PM   
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8. Jack Rodwell £12 million. Hohoho. Hahaha. Moyes still laughing all the way to the bank.

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RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 11/10/2012 4:58:49 PM   
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8. Jack Rodwell £12 million. Hohoho. Hahaha. Moyes still laughing all the way to the bank.


Bargain! Shame Arsenal didn't go in earlier to get him.

Same could be said for Jones and Smalling really.


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RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 11/10/2012 5:04:50 PM   
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8. Jack Rodwell £12 million. Hohoho. Hahaha. Moyes still laughing all the way to the bank.


I'd not say Rodwell is a terrible player, but even with a levy for being English, I only think they got that by somehow getting some papers to make out he was a 20M prospect in the last season or two when Ferguson seemed to have no interest in him at all to back that up.

Best buys so far (?):
- Cazorla (Arsenal)
- Dembele (Spurs)
- RvP (Utd)
- Michu (Swansea)
- Berbatov (Fulham)


Worst (?)
- Rob Green - I'll single this out but there's a few QPR players you could do this list on alone!
- Scott Sinclair -just seems pointless
- Kuyt - he wasn't getting any younger, but he never had that much pace and he'd have run his lungs out for Liverpool. Turkey might be a step down, but he's been banging them in for Fenerbahce and would have offered Liverpool more on the pitch than the tiny fee they gave him away for imo
- Marin - its like by being Chelsea's first signing in the summer they completely forgot about him by the time the season had started
- Jay Rodriguez - Amazing that the same team that got Gaston Ramirez to join them then did this. With a few lower division players to Villa as well it was a good time for the Championship teams to make a bit of money at the expense of PL squad-filling



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RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 11/10/2012 5:15:15 PM   
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  • Mancini's critics can still point at his CL record and tut. While he still has a comparatively rich squad you can see why he was tearing his hair out in the summer as Chelsea invested heavily. Its a difficult group again, but a failure two seasons in a row to qualify from the group would be a big hit for a team with big plans.

    I've been heavily critical of Mancini over the years he's been at City but I had to shut up coz he won the league even though he scraped it against a bunch of teams in transition. I'll gladly pipe up again if he can't make it through the group stage though

  • If Mark Hughes is still in a job at Christmas I'll... I'll... I'll be quite surprised

    Suprised he got the QPR job in the first place - the guy is a second rate manager.




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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 11/10/2012 6:13:45 PM   
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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 11/10/2012 6:31:12 PM   
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    		 Pretty much agree with Prof's choice of top signings, though a few honourable mentions -

    Kevin Mirallas (Everton)
    Romelu Lukaku (WBA)
    Joe Allen (Liverpool)
    Jan Vertonghen (Spuds)
    Arouna Kone (Wigan)



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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 11/10/2012 6:48:32 PM   
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    		 I was going to protest that Kone was on the list I must have deleted him.

    Good call on Vertonghen. Looking forward to seeing more of him. Spurs could become a marauding team of 3-2 games if we are lucky. They seem to very much fancy Caulken too. I'm surprised (and a bit sad) that if they are going to play that way that dos Santos was shipped out.

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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 11/10/2012 6:54:48 PM   
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    		No love for Hazard? He's been pretty impressive and along with Mata one of the reasons Chelsea have started so well imo.

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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 11/10/2012 7:01:24 PM   
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    No love for Hazard? He's been pretty impressive and along with Mata one of the reasons Chelsea have started so well imo.


    When he's hot, he's hot. But a couple of times the match seemed to pass him by. Maybe that's just my perception from highlights. Mata is metronomically awesome.

    I don't begrudge Chelsea their spending and I hope Hazard continues to impress, Torres keeps knocking them in and Oscar does his impression of The Flash.

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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 24/10/2012 12:31:41 PM   
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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 24/10/2012 1:09:05 PM   
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    		 Its a terrible backwards step of an idea fella. Would a player have to be black to join, or could Asians join. What if you were from Eastern Europe or France or South America or Wales and thought you were suffering prejudice. If a black footballer chooses not to join that union will that count against him in the eyes of some? Its inherently divisive in its concept. I could only condone it if the current union and everything around them is failing miserably.

    And I'm not so sure it is. But I'm not a footballer or black so I'd be disqualified from joining on two counts. The FA come in for a lot of stick, but they did publish thorough findings on both the Suarez / Evra and JT / Ferdinand cases. I'm pretty sure in both cases they appointed an independent body who were not slow to criticize the FA where they thought they were wrong.

    I can't help thinking that a lot of people wanted JT banned from the PL or sacked. I honestly don't know if that was right or wrong. On the one hand it appears to be a big punishment (though I can see an overseas team picking him up no problem). On the other I get the idea that maybe a high profile head has to fall to make it clear that whether you are a highly decorated England captain or just setting out on your career racist language and behaviour is unacceptable. I do wish JT had apologised properly and I really wish we could get on with playing football and not spend half the match talking about handshakes, warm up T-shirts and armbands.

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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 24/10/2012 1:38:52 PM   
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    		 It does raise the question of what the implications would be - a white footballers union? which union does a mixed-race player join? Attempting to achieve equality by creating division is just an oxymoron surely.

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    I do wish JT had apologised properly and I really wish we could get on with playing football and not spend half the match talking about handshakes, warm up T-shirts and armbands.


    This basically, I almost can't remember a time where racism wasn't the main discussion topic in football. Kind of depressing that it's still an issue in a developed society in the 21st century though.

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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 28/10/2012 1:52:19 PM   
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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 28/10/2012 8:10:47 PM   
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    		 Only got to listen to the Chelsea Utd match on the radio. So really looking forward to MotD2 tonight.

    Sounded very much like Mata was ripping Utd apart and I'm not sure he was the sacrifice to make when down to 10. Still the result keeps the PL interesting. I wouldn't want to be Swansea. I think they'll bounce back to put 5 past the swans next week.

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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 29/10/2012 9:45:47 AM   
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    I do wish JT had apologised properly and I really wish we could get on with playing football and not spend half the match talking about handshakes, warm up T-shirts and armbands.


    This basically, I almost can't remember a time where racism wasn't the main discussion topic in football. Kind of depressing that it's still an issue in a developed society in the 21st century though.

    Chelsea allege Clattenburg made racial comments (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20119340) :-(

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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 29/10/2012 1:52:44 PM   
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    quote:

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    quote:

    I do wish JT had apologised properly and I really wish we could get on with playing football and not spend half the match talking about handshakes, warm up T-shirts and armbands.


    This basically, I almost can't remember a time where racism wasn't the main discussion topic in football. Kind of depressing that it's still an issue in a developed society in the 21st century though.

    Chelsea allege Clattenburg made racial comments (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20119340) :-(


    FFFFUUUUUU

    on the plus side, Clattenburg probably won't referee another game until this is resolved. And *if* he is found guilty, then his unique interpretation of competence will never 'grace' a football pitch again. So it's a win-win really.

    (apologies if this seems to be frivolous in the face of serious accusations. I'm just really really tired of racism accusations/handshakes/t-shirts/armbands/Twitter/etc.)

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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 29/10/2012 2:24:28 PM   
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    		Call me cynical but I don't see there being any substance to Chelsea's claims, or it's extremely exaggerated version of events.

    I get the idea it's a nice way to have an additional pop at Clattenburg for his admittedly controversial decisions, a way to detract from the fans behaviour at the game (throwing missiles) and also a way to change their current status in the race rows from antagonists to victims.

    I could be wrong, but I suppose we'll see what the findings of the FA end up being.

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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 29/10/2012 3:05:19 PM   
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    Call me cynical but I don't see there being any substance to Chelsea's claims, or it's extremely exaggerated version of events.

    I get the idea it's a nice way to have an additional pop at Clattenburg for his admittedly controversial decisions, a way to detract from the fans behaviour at the game (throwing missiles) and also a way to change their current status in the race rows from antagonists to victims.

    I could be wrong, but I suppose we'll see what the findings of the FA end up being.


    "Admittedly controversial"? That is putting it very, very, very lightly. They were two awful decisions and with at least two pairs of eyes on each I'd love to know how they got them wrong.

    I doubt the FA will find Clattenburg guilty of anything. That's usually how it works.


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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 29/10/2012 3:17:45 PM   
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    Call me cynical but I don't see there being any substance to Chelsea's claims, or it's extremely exaggerated version of events.

    I get the idea it's a nice way to have an additional pop at Clattenburg for his admittedly controversial decisions, a way to detract from the fans behaviour at the game (throwing missiles) and also a way to change their current status in the race rows from antagonists to victims.

    I could be wrong, but I suppose we'll see what the findings of the FA end up being.


    Yeah yeah. Calling a black player a "monkey" (alleged) is okay. Nothing serious about it at all. Chelsea should just shut up about it.

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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 29/10/2012 3:25:28 PM   
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    		As you say "alleged."

    Where's the evidence if any that he used such a term? Or is this the usual Twitter and Facebook rumour mill? I can't see that being true, and this is the first I've heard of this alleged slur also.

    Context is also king even if the word monkey was used, perhaps he was calling him a cheeky monkey?

    As I said, I'm happy to see what the verdict of the investigation into it is before passing final judgement, but I can't see it finding him guilty of any racial wrong doing.

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    RE: Premier League 2012-2013 Results & Discussion - 29/10/2012 3:28:48 PM   
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    		Clattenburg should be banned from refereeing forever anyway purely by being a completely useless fucknuckle.

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