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The downside, I think, is that it is only REALLY enjoyable to those of us who absolutely love the original Alien. It isn't really a film for the casual viewers. Two of my friends went to see it and said they thought it was only ok, but they aren't really huge Alien fans, so a lot of the little references- and the whole space jockey thing- would have been lost on them.

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ORIGINAL: doubtlesswonder
The downside, I think, is that it is only REALLY enjoyable to those of us who absolutely love the original Alien. It isn't really a film for the casual viewers. Two of my friends went to see it and said they thought it was only ok, but they aren't really huge Alien fans, so a lot of the little references- and the whole space jockey thing- would have been lost on them.

That's interesting, because one of the most common responses I've seen to complaints about the film is that it's just 'Alien fanboys whinging'. I'd be inclined to agree with you though, I don't honestly know how much it offers as a stand-alone film.

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"Will someone please get this motherfuckin' horcrux outta this motherfuckin' snake."

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homersimpson_esq
"See Mr Grey.
See Mr Grey abuse women.
Run women, run."

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

I think AVP is better than Prometheus.Its more fun and makes a lot more sense ( And it has a better Weyland ).

Prometheus is better than Requiem though ( Not hard ).

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

I think AVP is better than Prometheus.Its more fun and makes a lot more sense ( And it has a better Weyland ).

Prometheus is better than Requiem though ( Not hard ).

But theres no risk in AVP,no sense of flamboyance,no sense of asking big questions.
Its just a case of two bad guys fighting in a tomb with some humans bumbling about.And the end..

Not only did AVP mess-up the Alien franchise it also messed up the Predator franchise by making the Predator have a (blooming) conscience,something I also blame at Predator2 to a degree.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

I think AVP is better than Prometheus.Its more fun and makes a lot more sense ( And it has a better Weyland ).

Prometheus is better than Requiem though ( Not hard ).

But theres no risk in AVP,no sense of flamboyance,no sense of asking big questions.
Its just a case of two bad guys fighting in a tomb with some humans bumbling about.And the end..

Not only did AVP mess-up the Alien franchise it also messed up the Predator franchise by making the Predator have a (blooming) conscience,something I also blame at Predator2 to a degree.

In fairness, both the Alien and Predator franchises were both pretty much dead before AVP came along.There hadnt been a Predator movie in 14 years and no Alien movie in 7 years.The success of AVP made both franchises viable again.

As for Predators having a conscience, I see them as having a warriors code.The Pred only teamed up with the Sanaa Lathann character cos they shared the same enemy and figured she deserved a fighting chance.

You kill a Pred like Danny Glover did in P2 that deserves respect.The same thing happened to Batman in the Batman vs Predator graphic novel.I personally like these chatacteristics that the Preds have as it sets them apart from being just mindless killing machines like The Aliens.

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Just to be clear is anyone saying AVP is better than Prometheus?

Is anyone saying AVP:R is better?

I need to know the hows and whys of this.

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ORIGINAL: darko18

Last night I realised Prometheus contradicted Predator 2 - there wouldn't be any xenomorph skulls to hang on a wall if they didn't exist until 2083 or whatever it was.

Let's retcon Prometheus because I enjoyed Predator 2 more.

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Although to produce a xenomorph, don't you need a human to be involved?

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

As for Predators having a conscience, I see them as having a warriors code.

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In regards to AVP and Pred cannon status and trying to work out "Scott's master plan" I firmly believe that Scott didn't give a shit about ANYTHING that was established outside of the his original work, Aliens possibly included.

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In regards to AVP and Pred cannon status and trying to work out "Scott's master plan" I firmly believe that Scott didn't give a shit about ANYTHING that was established outside of the his original work, Aliens possibly included.

agree that Scott wouldn’t have cared if Prometheus fits in with AvP at all (he even said hes never seen it), its just lucky for AvP that it didnt seem to contradict it much and any discrepancies can be explained away fairly easily

there was an effort to incorporate Aliens though - as seen with the Colonial Marine stuff in the Weyland timeline, WeylanD (not Weylan as in Alien), using LV233 (like LV426) and what looked to be a queen in the mural

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ORIGINAL: st3veebee
Actually, I also bought the latest game this week as well.

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If you read about the development of Alien vs. Predator, you'll notice that the project started as James Cameron's screenplay for Alien 5, which he wrote and Ridley Scott was going to direct. I'm not entirely sure what it was about, but it bore at least some resemblance to AvP's storyline.

Then, the producers decided to make AvP instead of Alien 5, at which point Cameron and Scott ditched the project completely. But FOX did hire Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shussett, who wrote Alien, to write the movie.

What did O'Bannon come up with? He wanted to show that when the xenomorph grows up, it becomes a predator. Or, more precisely, a predator is a xenomorph at a higher stage of evolution. Also, there was a black goo involved in the story somehow.

Then, P.T. Anderson's pitch for AvP (which dates back to the 1990s), made its way into the hands of the producer of Predator, who felt strongly that Anderson's pitch was the way to go. O'Bannon and Shussett were out.

Now... I have a hunch that O'Bannon and Shussett's script was based on Cameron's (if anyone can find evidence of this I'd be curious to see it), and that Anderson's script borrowed only lightly from it. If that was the case, then the abandoned script for AvP by O'Bannon and Shussett was about humans finding that we are part of the xenomorph-predator lifecycle after finding an ancient pyramid in the arctic. Sounds a LOT like Prometheus to me -- and Ridley Scott participated in its development.

So, it's entirely possible that Alien vs. Predator is actually a ripoff of Prometheus, since both Prometheus and Alien vs. Predator are both based on a pre-existing script that Ridley Scott was going to direct.

Also, I suspect that Cameron's script was based partly on Anderson's old pitch. Just a hunch. (Alien movies frequently borrowed from the dozens of rejected scripts in the pile.)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/flat/204280628?d=latest&t=20120909000448#latest

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ORIGINAL: jackcarter

there was also the question of if Blade Runner would be somehow incorperated into the Alien-verse. again the TED talk sort of cleared that up - no replicants in 2023...no OW colonies...no mention of Tyrell = not connected

still that wont stop something like this happening eventually (or BR v P):
http://deankotz.deviantart.com/art/Aliens-VS-Blade-Runner-286951332

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“That was me having fun and being cutesy,” said a laughing Charles de Lauzirika when asked about the connection. “I wrote all that stuff. I actually said this at the press conference they had in London, which is that if it’s in the film, it’s canon. I would argue that the viral pieces that are included in the Peter Weyland Files are canon just because they originated with Ridley and Damon Lindelof. I would say those, to some degree, are canon. But anything else – especially these which are kind of like little cute, embedded text graphics on the menus – I wouldn’t take those too seriously. It’s just meant to be an in-universe framework for those viral pieces.”

“As a Blade Runner fan, and because there’s been so much talk before this even occurred with people on the Internet speculating that maybe Alien and Blade Runner and Prometheus could all exist in the same universe, it was just more of a wink at that. Absolutely nothing to be taken seriously. I mean, I sent it to Ridley and he had no comment. (Laughs) So, it’s just icing on top of icing. It’s not the cake. It’s a fun, little side thing that’s very superficial. And, by the way, it in no way officially establishes that it’s Blade Runner because, if a lawyer were to comb through that, there’s no reference to Tyrell or anything in Blade Runner. It’s just a very lightly intentioned joke.”

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@JackCarter

http://www.movies.com/movie-news/prometheus-blade-runner-connection/9861

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“That was me having fun and being cutesy,” said a laughing Charles de Lauzirika when asked about the connection. “I wrote all that stuff. I actually said this at the press conference they had in London, which is that if it’s in the film, it’s canon. I would argue that the viral pieces that are included in the Peter Weyland Files are canon just because they originated with Ridley and Damon Lindelof. I would say those, to some degree, are canon. But anything else – especially these which are kind of like little cute, embedded text graphics on the menus – I wouldn’t take those too seriously. It’s just meant to be an in-universe framework for those viral pieces.”

“As a Blade Runner fan, and because there’s been so much talk before this even occurred with people on the Internet speculating that maybe Alien and Blade Runner and Prometheus could all exist in the same universe, it was just more of a wink at that. Absolutely nothing to be taken seriously. I mean, I sent it to Ridley and he had no comment. (Laughs) So, it’s just icing on top of icing. It’s not the cake. It’s a fun, little side thing that’s very superficial. And, by the way, it in no way officially establishes that it’s Blade Runner because, if a lawyer were to comb through that, there’s no reference to Tyrell or anything in Blade Runner. It’s just a very lightly intentioned joke.”

Thank F*ck.