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Inglourious Basterds - 5/6/2012 1:37:51 PM   
Super Hans


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What's peoples' verdicts on Inglourious Basterds?

A quick look on Rotten Tomatoes tells me it was received pretty well critically (88% fresh) and it has a pretty high score on IMDb. However, I know that among my friends & family, the opinion on Tarantino's take on WW2 is farily divided. I know some who saw it as a real return to form for Tarantino and up there with the films that made his name. Others just saw it as simply "shit".

I personally lean further towards the latter than the former I think. I wouldn't say I hated it, but it definitely left me wondering if I'll ever enjoy any of his films the way I did his first 3 or 4. Having said that, I'm not even sure that the style of dialogue in the likes of Pulp Fiction aren't a bit passe nowdays. Some of the moments in Basterds which were perhaps most notably Tarantino - for example the language switching conversation in the opening scene - kind of made me cringe a little and left me wondering if his brand of smart-arsey wordplay has had it's day. I sort of thought the same about Kevin Smith when I rewatched Clerks 2 recently, although the fun and sweetness won overall in that case. With Basterds, the style just seems a bit too '15 years ago'.

While I'm don't claim to be hugely knowledgable of history, nor by any means a stickler for historical accuracy, a lot of Inglourious Basterds for me was just a bit much, and a touch too corny. Character nicknames like "The Jew Hunter", and a plot involving luring Hitler into a movie theatre so they could (successfully, ultimately) kill him off just seemed a bit too silly for my liking. I know QT's style is generally quite pulpy anyway but this just seemd like something a kid would concoct in a playground game at lunchtime, and lacking a little in credibility.

I don't want to come accross as a full on Tarantino basher. I've noticed in recent years some opinions have turned against him with people retrospectively trashing his output (in an "oh, he was never that good anyway" kind of way), but I'd personally never take his earlier successes away from him. However, Inglourious Basterds just left me wondering time has been a touch unkind on his brand of movie, or if it's just me.

My verdict = Guilty

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 5/6/2012 2:33:33 PM   
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It's way overwritten, but I had a good time with it.

It's a damn sight better than Death Proof, which was just awful.

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 5/6/2012 3:02:25 PM   
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My second favourite Tarantino film after Reservoir Dogs. Pulp Fiction's a terrific film and one of my favourites too, but the bit with Bruce Willis sucks. Inglourious Basterds was great though


NOT GUILTY!

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 5/6/2012 3:33:31 PM   
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Definitely NOT GUILTY.

The opening scene alone makes this a great film. The card game sequence is also fantastic. Any inclusion of "Putting out the Fire" is aces in my books too.


The less good:

-Eli Roth and Mike Myers

-Brad Pitt's pretty awful in it too.

-Eli Roth

-The ending is just crap.



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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 6/6/2012 11:24:12 AM   
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Not Guilty, it's a gloriously over the top send up of vainglorious second world war films in my opinion (well not even WW2 films in some cases ) and should be viewed as a comedy.

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 6/6/2012 1:11:51 PM   
UTB


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quote:

ORIGINAL: st3veebee

Definitely NOT GUILTY.

The opening scene alone makes this a great film. The card game sequence is also fantastic. Any inclusion of "Putting out the Fire" is aces in my books too.


The less good:

-Eli Roth and Mike Myers

-Brad Pitt's pretty awful in it too.

-Eli Roth

-The ending is just crap.




Pretty much agree with all of this.

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 8/6/2012 1:24:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: UTB


quote:

ORIGINAL: st3veebee

Definitely NOT GUILTY.

The opening scene alone makes this a great film. The card game sequence is also fantastic. Any inclusion of "Putting out the Fire" is aces in my books too.


The less good:

-Eli Roth and Mike Myers

-Brad Pitt's pretty awful in it too.

-Eli Roth

-The ending is just crap.




Pretty much agree with all of this.


Ditto.

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 8/6/2012 10:08:00 AM   
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I think QT was too preoccupied with homaging Sergio Leone, than putting more energy on the screen. I did however like it. The opening is brillliant, slow, long shot's, close-ups - it reminded me of the opening for The Good, The Bad and the Ugly! I think we even hear some music borrowed from Leone's masterpiece in it! But after that, it starts gooing a little downhill. Another stand out scene for me was the Nazi officer's in the bar scene, where Fassbender and co walk in. It is not a failure, such as Death Proof was, but it's not the return to form all film lover's were hoping for.

But definitely NOT GUILTY.

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 8/6/2012 3:07:33 PM   
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This is Tarantino's best film since Pulp Fiction, everything else has is either average, (Jackie Brown, Kill Bill) or downright awful (Death Proof). Some of the scenes in this movie are absolute masterclasses in tension. Fucking brilliant.

100% not guilty

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 10/6/2012 4:41:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Super Hans

What's peoples' verdicts on Inglourious Basterds?......Others just saw it as simply "shit".


While I'm don't claim to be hugely knowledgable of history, nor by any means a stickler for historical accuracy, a lot of Inglourious Basterds for me was just a bit much, and a touch too corny. Character nicknames like "The Jew Hunter", and a plot involving luring Hitler into a movie theatre so they could (successfully, ultimately) kill him off just seemed a bit too silly for my liking. I know QT's style is generally quite pulpy anyway but this just seemd like something a kid would concoct in a playground game at lunchtime, and lacking a little in credibility.

My verdict = Guilty


I concur with the above.

I put off watching this film for ages because I always thought it looked completely naff and toe-curlingly awful, and, quelle surprise!, was berated when I still thought the same after having watched it recently.

The film is a terrible mess. I kind of want to say it was a wasted opportunity, but I think Tarantino achieved what he set out to make, it's just that it didn't sit well with me at all.

Timon was quick to jump in with assumptions after I'd mentioned on my facebook that I thought it was rubbish, since I'm a history graduate, but like Super Hans, I have no qualms with historical inaccuracies in film at all. Hell, I saw 300 at the cinema twice and have watched it countless times on dvd since. I unashamedly love Braveheart because it's just outright entertainment.

So the silliness of the Hitler/Nazi/Film Theatre plot didn't bother me on its own.... My main criticism is that the tone of the film was all over the bloody shop. I suspect people will interject at this point to tell me what was the whole point of the film, but it just left me feeling frustrated and detached. There are a number of great scenes in which the tension is built up pitch perfectly, (Landa's first meeting with Shosanna years after her initial escape), but then let down greatly by the juxtaposition with the caper-like tone of other scenes... such as Eli Roth discovering Hitler's private box in the theatre then grabbing his fellow basterd to kill him.

How am I meant to genuinely take the Nazis and their 'menace' seriously if there are ridiculous caricatures with corny/contrived back stories and nicknames prancing about trying to bump them off. Eli Roth as 'The Bear Jew'. I mean... come on. Asides from the fact I think we all agree he can't act for shit and is one of the worst things about the film, you can almost see the image of Tarantino cackling away with glee as he thought he'd created this amazing iconic character with an awesome nickname that people would be worshipping for years after the film came out. It just reeks of trying too hard. Similarly, Brad Pitt was wasted in this film and his character was drivel.

Tarantino appears to be his own worst enemy at times. He's known for the attention to dialogue in his films - it's his trademark - but in places he over eggs it, again, which comes across as trying too hard to be iconic or to produce throw away quotes he clearly hopes are picked up on and used between discerning film fans years down the line. So while some of the dialogue in the film truly makes some of the best scenes, it also ruins others and leaves your lips curling in disgust.

Contrary to my negative opinion before I saw the film, I genuinely had wanted to be surprised by it, and initially I began thinking, 'hey this isn't half bad', but it just descended into farcical territory anytime I wanted to take it seriously.

Oh sure, this is clearly Tarantino's point, we've already got too many serious Nazi war films, he doesn't want you taking another one seriously. But I couldn't take this film any which way at all, I just thought it was a shambles.

Verdict - Guilty.

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 14/6/2012 12:44:16 PM   
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Another case of Tarantino indulging himself in one homage too many.

It has some great things in it.Christoph Waltz in a star making role and the baroom scene with the nazis, but QT doesnt know how to edit his films properly and the film just goes on and on.

And it has Eli Roth in it.

GUILTY.

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 19/6/2012 11:32:02 PM   
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Not guilty

Loved it. Sure it's pulpy, trashy and over the top at points but it's got some great scenes with real tension, emotion and some cracking performances (Fassbender, Waltz etc).

Sure Brad Pitt was hammy as hell ... but he managed to tread the line and not ruin the film for me. I'm sure there was another actor better suited to the role but he was serviceable.

The movie theatre plot didn't bug me at all. Fair enough way for an civilian to try and kill him. Lure him somewhere vulnerable and burn the building down. The army only struck there as they found out he would be there? Which is funny as if they joined in on this simple plan it would have been far easier than their attempt.

I generally enjoy Tarantino's out put and see this as one of his better films. Sure it's full of homages, quirky dialogue, winks at the audience but well I can't help but be swept up in his obvious enthusiasm. It's a fun film it's definitely tongue in cheek for the most part.It's not trying to be a serious gritty take on the war. It deals with some issues but at the end of the day it's an underdog story of revenge against ... well an evil group of bastards everyone can hate guilt free. I mean who doesn't enjoy that pay off at the end?

NOT GUILTY

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 6/7/2012 5:00:15 PM   
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I thought this was a tremendous film. I really enjoyed it especially the bar scene shoot-out but less so the fake Italian cameraman scene.

Not perfect but well cast, written and always interesting.

NOT GUILTY M'LUD.

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 8/7/2012 9:44:55 PM   
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Absolutely 100% guilty.

It's not soiling the depths of Death Proof, but.....

*It's self-indulgent.
*It's far too long.
*All the bestards are bloody awful & the film is lifeless whenever they're on screen.
*No character is well-drawn, they're all caricatures of Tarrantino's voice.
*Its finer moments (the opening 10-15 & the bar room scene) are ripped off from other films.
*Its constant winking to other works is irritating.
*It has traces of a hipster soundtrack, with no real purpose other than to look & sound cool.
*The cinema fire scene is just utter poison, but is dressed up with the purpose to look cool & outrageous.
*I found myself becoming sympathetic to the nazi cause because of the insufferable twats we're supposed to root for.
*Mike Myers is cast as an English general.
*Eli Roth. Nuff said.
*It ends with the line "this might just be my masterpiece." No it aint, you fucking plum!
*It's frustrating. You know Tarrantino has talent & is a cinephile due to various things on display, yet as long as he continues to listen to only his inner voice, he'll never develop as a film-maker & will continue to practice in this over celebrated claptrap.

You take Christoph Waltz out of it, there is nothing left - NOTHING.

GUILTY!!!

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 8/7/2012 10:52:47 PM   
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Guilty!
The potential was there with Waltz's strong base,but it's a film built on egotistical sand.

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 9/7/2012 4:08:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Qwerty Norris


*I found myself becoming sympathetic to the nazi cause because of the insufferable twats we're supposed to root for.



That's as harsh as it gets!!!!!!!

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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 10/7/2012 1:37:13 PM   
Super Hans


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Fluke Skywalker


quote:

ORIGINAL: Qwerty Norris


*I found myself becoming sympathetic to the nazi cause because of the insufferable twats we're supposed to root for.



That's as harsh as it gets!!!!!!!




I don't think I could ever honestly say that the film turned me into a Nazi sympathiser, but I'm gald to see I'm not alone in not being impressed by it.  Seems I'm probably in the minority though!


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RE: Inglourious Basterds - 20/7/2012 11:27:05 AM   
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Think I'll have to watch it again to get another impression as after reading a lot of the "guilty" comments I found myself agreeing with a lot of the comments (over-long, over-indulgent) but I distinctly remember enjoying the film when I watched it (a good year or so ago)
I think I went in with such low expectations following the total dog-turd that was Death Proof that anything half-decent would have impressed me.

To be honest, Tarantino hasn't made a really good film since Jackie Brown or a great one since Pulp Fiction. Kill Bill had moments of good, almost great, but they were nicely offset by the over-indulgent cack - definitely one film stetched unneccessarily into two. As for Death Proof - I can't think of a single redeeming feature to be honest.

At least with Basterds he managed to write at least a couple of characters who didn't sound like Quentin Tarantino & it was (if memory serves) quite good fun, in a Dirty Dozen-Men on a Mission kind of way. Not really good & certainly not great, but probably Not Guilty

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*It's frustrating. You know Tarrantino has talent & is a cinephile due to various things on display, yet as long as he continues to listen to only his inner voice, he'll never develop as a film-maker & will continue to practice in this over celebrated claptrap.



This I totally agree with - Mark Kermode makes a similar comment when reviewing Death Proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAvaecNOgME&lr=1 (round about the 4:30 mark)


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