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I'm gonna respectfully disagree with you here Girv, you could say that Vickers shows just as many if not more minor character points/flaws (cold, calculating, unsympathetic) than what you would to use to argue a case for Ash. Not discounting the med-pod being designed for a man, would Vickers even need it ? And the whole scene with Elba, which is open to interpretation, did she have have sex to prove she is indeed human or was it done to simply silence his claims.

The pod was for Weyland. She knew her father was there - if they needed to escape from something, there would be a place for him.

Vickers being cold - well that is her character. Cold, driven, bitter - Ash was VERY different from that. He was curious, a little perverted and interested in the creature.

As for her having sex - she is clearly just after some fun. The scene is to give her a little humanity and show that she is in fact not the ice queen they all say she is.

Like I said, open to interpretation.

So how would that infer Ash to be anymore of an Android than Vickers exacltly ? Ash was a medical science officer so that would suggest he might develop a curiousity for things. Vickers is cold and calculating but she is a boardroom member and top Exec of Weyland Corpand Corps ? David takes an interest in Peter O'Toole and shooting hoops but he was on is own on ashop for two years. What's to say that Androids especially different models share the same traits/interests, they would be designed to excel in any area they are put in hence the differences.

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I should point out to those who are pro Droid-Vickers- there is debate going on at AVPgalaxy forums and IMDB too. So you're not crazy.

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"There may be two..." Ridley Scott talking about Androids in Prometheus, at comic-con last year. Link to the video here -

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/2414

But there weren't two. Maybe there was at that point in an older script or maybe he was just being playful to hide the Weyland connection, who knows? We only have the film as it is, and the character as presented, to go by.

And im convinced that so many changes were made, im sure at one point there were two. they just changed it

Exactly, the film is a mess, we're trying to draw definitives from something that is chaotically placed together!

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Guess you guys didn't stay for after the credits?

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Im not entirely fussed if she's in or she isn't in a sequel, dead or not dead. What I do feel is that her character was open to interpretation and done so purposefully.

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Is that just not altered by fanboys? I'm sure I read Scott saying cuts where made but it was nothing drastic. I really don't think the film was messed around with as much as people are enjoying to make out.

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Guess you guys didn't stay for after the credits?

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check this out, from an early trailer. more proof that the Fifeld sequence was significantly altered. note the much longer limbs, as if he's turning into a creature beyond human. it's worth noting that this scene was changed for the second full trailer, with fifeld appearing more human in proportion:

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Im not entirely fussed if she's in or she isn't in a sequel, dead or not dead. What I do feel is that her character was open to interpretation and done so purposefully.

But my point is - where exactly?

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Im not entirely fussed if she's in or she isn't in a sequel, dead or not dead. What I do feel is that her character was open to interpretation and done so purposefully.

But my point is - where exactly?

Touchy ? Thought we were having a nice debate/discussion here.
My point is exactly what it was above that it is open to interpretation and that if she did appear in a sequel it wouldn't be cheap because of that ambiguity. I even admitted that they could quite easily be red herrings so i'm not trying prove you wrong me right, although obviously you think you are, like I said earlier its fun to speculate

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Im not entirely fussed if she's in or she isn't in a sequel, dead or not dead. What I do feel is that her character was open to interpretation and done so purposefully.

But my point is - where exactly?

Touchy ? Thought we were having a nice debate/discussion here.
My point is exactly what it was above that it is open to interpretation and that if she did appear in a sequel it wouldn't be cheap because of that ambiguity. I even admitted that they could quite easily be red herrings so i'm not trying prove you wrong me right, although obviously you think you are, like I said earlier its fun to speculate

Sorry - wasn't trying to sound touchy- just like a good old time debate!

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Let's start by getting the idea out of any readers head that this is an A L I E N prequel,for it's not,and so say's the great man and myself.The film began development in the early 2000s as a possible fifth entry in the Alien franchise,in fact Scott mentioned this in The Making Of Alien DVD.But he wanted to do it his own way,though Scott admitted on camera that he and James Cameron where both developing ideas for a film and might work togetter.But by 2003, the project was sidelined by the development of AvP,which Scott has made it clear he was against,plus Cameron now had AVATAR on his list of to do.Scott in 2009 had a script by Spaihts penned as a prequel to the events of the ALIEN, but Scott opted for a different direction to avoid repeating cues from those films. In late 2010, he brought Lindelof onto the project to rewrite Spaihts' script, and together they developed a separate story that is not directly connected to the Alien franchise. According to Scott, though the film shares "strands of ALIEN's DNA so to speak", and takes place in the same universe,but Prometheus will explore its own mythology and ideas.
 

So Sir Ridley Scott, director of Alien and Blade Runner, returns to the Sci/Fi genre he helped define,(and about time)with a film that owes more to 2001,than his last two Sci/Fi classics.For as with 2001 this is a far deeper film,about creation,where did we come from,where will we end up,is there more to life than just being here.It also about greed??what would you do if you had money to burn,but your life was coming to an end.Search for the Holy Grail,or your creator,and buy eternal life,but we all know this can all go wrong,think Frankenstein,yes there's those elements too.In fact that's the main problem,it's over flowing with so many sub plots,ideas,ideals,religious mythology and yet runs at just over 2 hours,just not enough time to contain so much,i felt this as it ended,a real what the fuck!! i need more,another hour at least,Could there be a directors cut for Blu-Ray??.

This is a visually stunning movie with superb CGI,and creature design with some of the best 3D production work since Avatar,and yes some great gore effects that might just have you reaching for a sick bag.The Production design/Art work is breathtaking, awesome,making great use of art work left over from ALIEN by Jean Moebius,Chris Foss,Ron Cobb and of course H.R Giger,but never used.(don't belive me ,well cheak out The Book Of Alien by Paul Scanlon,it's all there).It deserves big credit for the moments when it does evoke the early scenes in Alien,the whole mad attion to detail in the art work/design with that same degree of drawing you into a dark nightmare journey.It's atmospherically dazzling,eye poping brilliant,mind bending,fucking crazy in a way that makes you want to see more,but never ever gives you all the answers you seek.

The Story is a mix of Greek mythology, in which Titan a champion for mankind,who was known for his intelligence,and who stole fire from Zeus and gave it to mankind.2001,the idea that intelligent life was formed by an alien intellgence,and we mankind are in search of our creator/creators,so we search the stars for our anwsers.Of course it's all wraped up in the A L I E N univerise that Scott first blew us away with,and even an element of Blade Runner,but this is not ALIEN or ALIENS,this is it's own monster of a sci/fi film. Again think 2001 Kubricks/Clarke's mind bender,one of the most  talked about Sci/Fi films of all time,they knew how to make a classic,keep them guessing.But Scott knows also about the art of keeping us fans guessing,he also knows he'll split fans and critics,like with Blade Runner,it bombed both money wise and was considered a mess by both cinema fans and critics,yet now a cult classic,a masterpiece of cinema.I'm not saying this is a masterpiece,not even on this second viewing.

I've already mentioned it's fucking crazy,but forgivably so, because the characters are well defined,not one of them alike,very much like in his first great classic Alien.Noomi Rapace, Michael Fassbender and Charlize Theron who are on top form,and yes i've read the reviews that say the opposite,but belive me they are extremely well written roles,and all are convincing in there roles. Noomi's character, Elizabeth Shaw, is impulsive, insecure and feminine,but as things heat up,and her situation becomes desperate,she becomes a tower of strength, but she is still a sad delicate woman,driven by a inner belief that gives her role a genuinely heartbreaking presence.Where Charlize Theron whose character,is the cold as ice head of operations,with only money guiding her life,and cares only for herself.But it is Michael Fassbender's Android character David who is the standout power house for the movie,with his total neutral emotion,that makes Ash  in Alien look mildly human.The rest of the cast do well to keep up with these three,but in the end,they are there to be knocked off in many weird and wonderful death scenes.

Overall this is a awesome film,but suffers from the short running time,it needs another hour,if only to fill in a few losse ends.But then going by the end scene,it looks like we may get part two,and this time we will meet the creator of not just us but those nasty creatures we loved so much in Alien and Aliens.I for one want more Sir,and can't wait to find out if Scott has an extended cut waiting in the wings,and a part two in pre production.But whatever,this is the film i wanted,just like Scott,i needed a new Sci/Fi film that's heart belongs to another,but whose soul needed to fly Scott Free.9/10

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I've just remembered something from the film in relation to a question posed by a forumite; what were the Engineer's running from? What could have been so terrifying that caused them to flee with their lives? We can all agree it wasn't the black goo or the acid -wielding snakes.

It's my belief that the Engineers were running from whatever comes out of the space jockey in Alien.

Errr different ship, different planet fella..

I don't think so. I thought this film was about explaining how that derelict ship in Alien gets there. The xenomorph that is birthed at the end must be a queen that will lay all of those eggs inside the derelict that the Nostromo crew will discover. That coupled with Shaw recording that warning transmission that the Nostromo will pick up. It makes sense.

It is definitely a different ship and a different planet. The planets have different names for starters

Yep, 100% different planet and ship. Scott goes in to this in last weeks Kermode/Mayo podcast if you want further proof.

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Let's start by getting the idea out of any readers head that this is an A L I E N prequel,for it's not,and so say's the great man and myself.The film began development in the early 2000s as a possible fifth entry in the Alien franchise,in fact Scott mentioned this in The Making Of Alien DVD.But he wanted to do it his own way,though Scott admitted on camera that he and James Cameron where both developing ideas for a film and might work togetter.But by 2003, the project was sidelined by the development of AvP,which Scott has made it clear he was against,plus Cameron now had AVATAR on his list of to do.Scott in 2009 had a script by Spaihts penned as a prequel to the events of the ALIEN, but Scott opted for a different direction to avoid repeating cues from those films. In late 2010, he brought Lindelof onto the project to rewrite Spaihts' script, and together they developed a separate story that is not directly connected to the Alien franchise. According to Scott, though the film shares "strands of ALIEN's DNA so to speak", and takes place in the same universe,but Prometheus will explore its own mythology and ideas.

Overall this is a awesome film,but suffers from the short running time,it needs another hour,if only to fill in a few losse ends.But then going by the end scene,it looks like we may get part two,and this time we will meet the creator of not just us but those nasty creatures we loved so much in Alien and Aliens.I for one want more Sir,and can't wait to find out if Scott has an extended cut waiting in the wings,and a part two in pre production.But whatever,this is the film i wanted,just like Scott,i needed a new Sci/Fi film that's heart belongs to another,but whose soul needed to fly Scott Free.9/10

Excellent review! I'm with you - this film is a whole beast altogether, and as Ridley said, has no correlation with ALIEN other than being set in the same universe, and sharing some DNA from the 1979 film. If you go in with that thought then you'll enjoy it. If not, and your views are clouded by ALIEN, then quite simply - you are fucked!

Glad you liked it!

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check this out, from an early trailer. more proof that the Fifeld sequence was significantly altered. note the much longer limbs, as if he's turning into a creature beyond human. it's worth noting that this scene was changed for the second full trailer, with fifeld appearing more human in proportion:

This should interest you. Alternative Fifeld design.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2012/06/06/new-prometheus-unused-concept-art/#more-12597

It's remind me of one of those Ripley Clones but I'm happier with the overall Zombie approach instead.

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check these out, from the Art of Prometheus book. Solid proof that fifeld initially was supposed to transform into some kind of creature and that they didnt end up either showing it, or shooting it. Man i wish we couldve gone down this route more:






Thanks to Robotpo at prometheus Forums.

It just convinces me even more that SO MUCH was cut out of this movie.

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check these out, from the Art of Prometheus book. Solid proof that fifeld initially was supposed to transform into some kind of creature and that they didnt end up either showing it, or shooting it. Man i wish we couldve gone down this route more:






Thanks to Robotpo at prometheus Forums.

It just convinces me even more that SO MUCH was cut out of this movie.

That would have gone a long way to correcting the issues that people have with Fiefield. Much more representative of what where seeing with regards the worms and facehugger. As he is (rampaging zombie type thing) it just doesn't fit.