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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 5:54:18 PM   
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Just finished Furious Gods, epic and amazing. One of the best making of docs i have ever seen. need to watch the enhancement pods still though.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 5:55:42 PM   
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Just saw the Prometheus DVD/blu-ray at Sainsburys today - DVD customers are getting shafted big time over the extra's, compared to the blu-ray. Its now such a blatant gimmick - either buy the bare as fuck DVD, or pay extra for the extra's and get the blu-ray. Not all of us have a fucking (3D) blu-ray player.


Gimmick? What's a gimmick? Putting the majority of special features on Blu Ray? Why is that a 'gimmick'? It's simply the film companies supporting the new (New?! Who the fuck are we kidding Blu Ray has been doing the rounds for 5 or so years!) improved format. Blu Ray is now as cheap, if not cheaper, than DVD at the same point in it's life. The film company is supporting the Blu format and using that to target the enthsiast/fan market. If you have Blu, you can buy the Standard Edition or Collectors Edition, in the very same way that in the days of DVD you could buy the Standard Edition or the Two Disc Special Edition. The way the film companies are approaching Blu is no real difference to how they approached DVD. We cant expect the companies to keep supporting formats that are going out of date. If you havent made the jump to Blu, fair enough, I get the frustration of being unable to have the extras, but dont suggest it's a gimmick simply because you haven't upgraded yet. Personally, I'm glad that they're doing it in this way, those that are supporting the format are benefitting. Also, why wouldn't people, films fans especially, want to upgrade to see films in the best possible way (picture and sound etc)? Seriously, watching films in Standard Definition is almost as bad as watching football in Standard Def, it's fucking criminal. Why you wouldnt want to see this film in HD is beyond me, it is STUNNING on Blu Ray, easily one of the best quality pictures I've seen.

On another note, my 3D TV has been delivered, and after a quick test earlier, the 3D on Prometheus looked great. Really, really great. It looked like good use of the technology in the cinema, but I think at home it may be even better as things look really, really sharp and there doesnt look to be as much motion blur. I'd happily never watch a 3D movie again, if it stopped tomorrow, I wont mind (as long as Sky Sports continue to use it anyway!). I certainly don't like the approach of 'Make everything 3D!!!' that seems so prevalent with new productions, but if 3D is here to stay and directors like Ridley Scott continue to make films using 3D technology, and they continue to use it like this, then I want to be able to see it so I'm really chuffed I've bought this new set. I dont want to see old classics converted for the sake of it, I dont want film makers to use it for gimmicky purposes, but if it's used well, it can really add to the experience, and I think Prometheus may be the film that's really made me think like that.


Some of the blu-ray i've seen frankly, isn't all that special quality wise. In fact I remember seeing a blu-ray film which was worse than the DVD in terms of picture quality! And the reason why I haven't upgraded to 3D blu-ray is because that means I have to fork out for a bloody 3D TV. I'm not against the 3D technology, in fact on the contrary I really enjoy it. The problem I have is

1. Money
2. Kids!

I don't want a top of the range 3D blu ray player and TV and all the other bits and bobs sitting in my living room knowing my kids'll probably damage it . Thats why I find buying a DVD a better option. The reason why I'm pissed is because the DVD has no extra's at all. I mean a commentary wouldn't hurt would it? Or even a bleeding 20 minute making of. So I feel I will not be getting my moneys worth for a 10 DVD. In order to enjoy those extra's including the 3D experience, i'll most probably have to wait quite a while. And thats what makes me furious.

The reason I say its a gimmick, not too long ago the DVD's would have pretty all the same extra's as the blu-rays give or take. But now i'm noticing that is not the case. Anyway, its a great film and thats why I opened this thread - so please carry on sharing your thoughts on it guys!

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 7:00:26 PM   
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Just saw the Prometheus DVD/blu-ray at Sainsburys today - DVD customers are getting shafted big time over the extra's, compared to the blu-ray. Its now such a blatant gimmick - either buy the bare as fuck DVD, or pay extra for the extra's and get the blu-ray. Not all of us have a fucking (3D) blu-ray player.


Gimmick? What's a gimmick? Putting the majority of special features on Blu Ray? Why is that a 'gimmick'? It's simply the film companies supporting the new (New?! Who the fuck are we kidding Blu Ray has been doing the rounds for 5 or so years!) improved format. Blu Ray is now as cheap, if not cheaper, than DVD at the same point in it's life. The film company is supporting the Blu format and using that to target the enthsiast/fan market. If you have Blu, you can buy the Standard Edition or Collectors Edition, in the very same way that in the days of DVD you could buy the Standard Edition or the Two Disc Special Edition. The way the film companies are approaching Blu is no real difference to how they approached DVD. We cant expect the companies to keep supporting formats that are going out of date. If you havent made the jump to Blu, fair enough, I get the frustration of being unable to have the extras, but dont suggest it's a gimmick simply because you haven't upgraded yet. Personally, I'm glad that they're doing it in this way, those that are supporting the format are benefitting. Also, why wouldn't people, films fans especially, want to upgrade to see films in the best possible way (picture and sound etc)? Seriously, watching films in Standard Definition is almost as bad as watching football in Standard Def, it's fucking criminal. Why you wouldnt want to see this film in HD is beyond me, it is STUNNING on Blu Ray, easily one of the best quality pictures I've seen.

On another note, my 3D TV has been delivered, and after a quick test earlier, the 3D on Prometheus looked great. Really, really great. It looked like good use of the technology in the cinema, but I think at home it may be even better as things look really, really sharp and there doesnt look to be as much motion blur. I'd happily never watch a 3D movie again, if it stopped tomorrow, I wont mind (as long as Sky Sports continue to use it anyway!). I certainly don't like the approach of 'Make everything 3D!!!' that seems so prevalent with new productions, but if 3D is here to stay and directors like Ridley Scott continue to make films using 3D technology, and they continue to use it like this, then I want to be able to see it so I'm really chuffed I've bought this new set. I dont want to see old classics converted for the sake of it, I dont want film makers to use it for gimmicky purposes, but if it's used well, it can really add to the experience, and I think Prometheus may be the film that's really made me think like that.


Some of the blu-ray i've seen frankly, isn't all that special quality wise. In fact I remember seeing a blu-ray film which was worse than the DVD in terms of picture quality! And the reason why I haven't upgraded to 3D blu-ray is because that means I have to fork out for a bloody 3D TV. I'm not against the 3D technology, in fact on the contrary I really enjoy it. The problem I have is

1. Money
2. Kids!

I don't want a top of the range 3D blu ray player and TV and all the other bits and bobs sitting in my living room knowing my kids'll probably damage it . Thats why I find buying a DVD a better option. The reason why I'm pissed is because the DVD has no extra's at all. I mean a commentary wouldn't hurt would it? Or even a bleeding 20 minute making of. So I feel I will not be getting my moneys worth for a 10 DVD. In order to enjoy those extra's including the 3D experience, i'll most probably have to wait quite a while. And thats what makes me furious.

The reason I say its a gimmick, not too long ago the DVD's would have pretty all the same extra's as the blu-rays give or take. But now i'm noticing that is not the case. Anyway, its a great film and thats why I opened this thread - so please carry on sharing your thoughts on it guys!


You've made you choice, kids over movies! I choose the alternative Out of interest what blu ray(s) did you watch that was 'worse than dvd'? There are very few if any that could be considered worse than DVD.

Prometheus is a staggering looking blu ray and you're doing the movie a big disservice if you watch it in standard def.


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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 7:47:56 PM   
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Lol! It was a while ago DK, I think it was either Stargate or Predator. I wasn't mightily impressed. But I do admit that the newer films look really great on blu-ray. My dream would be to watch some of my favourite films like Apocalypse Now and Lawrence of Arabia in stunning crystal clear picture! Some films though, like Blade Runner lose a certain magic I feel because of the high transfer. I remember seeing the opening of BR of the majestic Hades landscape on Blu-ray, and I felt it lost a bit of that said magic because it was too clear! Thats why I think i'll be keeping my DVD copy of BR for a little while longer. I totally get what you guys mean - and it is not that I hate blu-ray, in fact I would jump at it immediately. But just not now. And that doesn't mean I disrespect films or am a bad film fan because of that - thats utter B.S. Sometimes theres a lot of factors, in my case its money and kids. (although the latter is more a bigger reason!):

EDIT: No, I totally agree with you on the last line DK. A film with such visual beauty as Prometheus needs to be seen in the best way possible. Thats why I will have to hold out buying it for now.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 7:58:14 PM   
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Exactly, hold out for a little while, prices will drop. New blu ray players can be got for a very reasonable price tag these days so im sure at some point you'll feel like making the leap. Interestingly Stargate was reissued with a remastered transfer and now looks great on blu, Predator however has had its problems and the more recent reissue arguably looks worst than the first one since they went overboard with digital noise reduction. The format does have very few blips and way more hits than misses. There are some great sites to check reviews etc to be sure before making any purchases

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 8:51:56 PM   
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Thanks for the tip mate!

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 11:09:00 PM   
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The first time I saw Promethesus, I was disappointed. There was two noticable reasons. The first being a silly script that doesn't capture the horror or concerns like in the original Alien did. The other problem is each monster has a very limited screentime and this created no tension. The Engineer which is the focus of the film has only a screentime of a few minutes and the story required it to have a bigger role.

Since recieving the 3D Blu Ray collector edition, I watched all the deleted scenes and watched pretty much all the documentries. I now know the backstory and how the Ultramorphs wiped out and infect the Engineers. I also know the film had to be cut within two hours and why most of the Engineer's screentime was cut. Afterward I watched the film again and I was enjoying it more than I did in the cinema. Maybe because I now know what is happening and was able to follow the story this time around. However when it got to the Engineer's screentime, the film felt rushed and very out of place. The final ten to fifteen minutes need to be recut with reinserted scenes. The way the Engineer just burst out of no where and tries to grab Elizabeth just felt horrible and almost laughable. It was too quick and felt like the editing team just given up on the film.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 9/10/2012 12:16:24 AM   
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Have got the DVD to watch tomorrow. Slight feeling of Fox and Ridley are punishing me for not being able to afford to upgrade to blu-ray. So for that aspect, fuck you guys, I've been one of the staunchest defenders of the film, otherwise, looking forward to a non 3D rewatch, so when there's a rock in the foreground, my eyes wont be drawn to that, and my mind can let m me look at the characters in the background.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 9/10/2012 11:39:23 AM   
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Dvds are going to be around as long as Blu rays since the players ae compatible with both and most people who rent do so with dvds so i dont see why Fox is screwing the dvd buyers on this.



I seriously don't understand why this is a big problem for you. You have said before that you have a Blu Ray player.... buy the Blu! It has the special features!

As I said before, the Blu market is likely the one where most fans and enthusiasts sit, so it makes perfect sense to target that market with the special features. I've no idea what the rental market is like or what the split is between dvd/blu, but I cannot beleive that the DVD rental market is the one where people are clamouring for special features. The rental market is surely where casual movie fans rent a film to watch once and return it, not to sit watching 7+ hours of documentaries, commentaries and several galleries of poster designs and concept art. So, again, it makes perfect sense to with hold features from the DVD market and target the higher end, higher spec Blu Ray market.

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Anyway, iv said this before but the music score is really inappropriate in this film.The scene that stands out the most is the part where David encounters the holos of the engineers in the SP chamber and sees the star map.The music is full of wonder and almost superhero like.But since David is the villain of the movie and the scene implies the threat of the engineers it should be scored far more ominously.

If it had been Shaw in this scene maybe the score would have worked.


I have problems with the score, it really annoys me. However, the star map scene was one where I actually think it works (I'd also say the opening sequence works too, but there arent many others) and I'm not sure I agree that David is the villain of the piece either. I'm going to have another watch tonight so will hopfeully come back to that, because I think David is almost acting as a counterpoint to Shaw's character, rather than an outright villain.


David poisons Holloways drink with the black goo with the intention of impregnating Shaw with an alien and the result is Holloway gets physically sick to such a degree that he asks to be torched alive.

Yeah David is a real hero.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 9/10/2012 12:11:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Dvds are going to be around as long as Blu rays since the players ae compatible with both and most people who rent do so with dvds so i dont see why Fox is screwing the dvd buyers on this.



I seriously don't understand why this is a big problem for you. You have said before that you have a Blu Ray player.... buy the Blu! It has the special features!

As I said before, the Blu market is likely the one where most fans and enthusiasts sit, so it makes perfect sense to target that market with the special features. I've no idea what the rental market is like or what the split is between dvd/blu, but I cannot beleive that the DVD rental market is the one where people are clamouring for special features. The rental market is surely where casual movie fans rent a film to watch once and return it, not to sit watching 7+ hours of documentaries, commentaries and several galleries of poster designs and concept art. So, again, it makes perfect sense to with hold features from the DVD market and target the higher end, higher spec Blu Ray market.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Anyway, iv said this before but the music score is really inappropriate in this film.The scene that stands out the most is the part where David encounters the holos of the engineers in the SP chamber and sees the star map.The music is full of wonder and almost superhero like.But since David is the villain of the movie and the scene implies the threat of the engineers it should be scored far more ominously.

If it had been Shaw in this scene maybe the score would have worked.


I have problems with the score, it really annoys me. However, the star map scene was one where I actually think it works (I'd also say the opening sequence works too, but there arent many others) and I'm not sure I agree that David is the villain of the piece either. I'm going to have another watch tonight so will hopfeully come back to that, because I think David is almost acting as a counterpoint to Shaw's character, rather than an outright villain.


David poisons Holloways drink with the black goo with the intention of impregnating Shaw with an alien and the result is Holloway gets physically sick to such a degree that he asks to be torched alive.

Yeah David is a real hero.


He is a robot under the command of Weyland. He didn't really have a choice in the matter.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 9/10/2012 12:31:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Dvds are going to be around as long as Blu rays since the players ae compatible with both and most people who rent do so with dvds so i dont see why Fox is screwing the dvd buyers on this.



I seriously don't understand why this is a big problem for you. You have said before that you have a Blu Ray player.... buy the Blu! It has the special features!

As I said before, the Blu market is likely the one where most fans and enthusiasts sit, so it makes perfect sense to target that market with the special features. I've no idea what the rental market is like or what the split is between dvd/blu, but I cannot beleive that the DVD rental market is the one where people are clamouring for special features. The rental market is surely where casual movie fans rent a film to watch once and return it, not to sit watching 7+ hours of documentaries, commentaries and several galleries of poster designs and concept art. So, again, it makes perfect sense to with hold features from the DVD market and target the higher end, higher spec Blu Ray market.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Anyway, iv said this before but the music score is really inappropriate in this film.The scene that stands out the most is the part where David encounters the holos of the engineers in the SP chamber and sees the star map.The music is full of wonder and almost superhero like.But since David is the villain of the movie and the scene implies the threat of the engineers it should be scored far more ominously.

If it had been Shaw in this scene maybe the score would have worked.


I have problems with the score, it really annoys me. However, the star map scene was one where I actually think it works (I'd also say the opening sequence works too, but there arent many others) and I'm not sure I agree that David is the villain of the piece either. I'm going to have another watch tonight so will hopfeully come back to that, because I think David is almost acting as a counterpoint to Shaw's character, rather than an outright villain.


David poisons Holloways drink with the black goo with the intention of impregnating Shaw with an alien and the result is Holloway gets physically sick to such a degree that he asks to be torched alive.

Yeah David is a real hero.


But I'm not sure David poisons Holloway with the intention of impregnating Shaw, that is just a by product. I think it's clear that David feels a connection of some kind to Shaw. David is a creation with a connection to his creator, Shaw's mission and belief is that there are reasons behind her creation other than the 'Cos we could' argument Holloway provides. David, it seems to me, connects with Shaw as he wants to beleive there is more to his creation than just 'Cos we can'. I only watched it the other night but can't now remember, but do we get clarity that David has been instructed to infect the crew? Or is it that David simply doesn't like Holloway for his attitude to the idea of creation? Is David being instructed to release the goo and infect the crew, or is he trying to give himself more purpose, is he now trying to become a creator of sorts? I cant remember if were shown or told David has specific instructions to release the Alien DNA into the crew, or if he is doing it of his own accord. Certainly, if he is instructed, I dont recall where he is told to target Holloway with a view to getting Shaw. I think he picks Holloway cos he dislikes his attitude and has a connection more to Shaw. Remember, this isnt a mission like 'Alien', where the crew is expendable so they can bring back the Xeno, Weyland is using the trip to meet his creator to try to extend his life and be seen as a God in the eyes of his maker. I never said David is a hero, but I think he is pretty far from the villain of this piece.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 9/10/2012 12:36:09 PM   
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Dvds are going to be around as long as Blu rays since the players ae compatible with both and most people who rent do so with dvds so i dont see why Fox is screwing the dvd buyers on this.



I seriously don't understand why this is a big problem for you. You have said before that you have a Blu Ray player.... buy the Blu! It has the special features!

As I said before, the Blu market is likely the one where most fans and enthusiasts sit, so it makes perfect sense to target that market with the special features. I've no idea what the rental market is like or what the split is between dvd/blu, but I cannot beleive that the DVD rental market is the one where people are clamouring for special features. The rental market is surely where casual movie fans rent a film to watch once and return it, not to sit watching 7+ hours of documentaries, commentaries and several galleries of poster designs and concept art. So, again, it makes perfect sense to with hold features from the DVD market and target the higher end, higher spec Blu Ray market.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Anyway, iv said this before but the music score is really inappropriate in this film.The scene that stands out the most is the part where David encounters the holos of the engineers in the SP chamber and sees the star map.The music is full of wonder and almost superhero like.But since David is the villain of the movie and the scene implies the threat of the engineers it should be scored far more ominously.

If it had been Shaw in this scene maybe the score would have worked.


I have problems with the score, it really annoys me. However, the star map scene was one where I actually think it works (I'd also say the opening sequence works too, but there arent many others) and I'm not sure I agree that David is the villain of the piece either. I'm going to have another watch tonight so will hopfeully come back to that, because I think David is almost acting as a counterpoint to Shaw's character, rather than an outright villain.


David poisons Holloways drink with the black goo with the intention of impregnating Shaw with an alien and the result is Holloway gets physically sick to such a degree that he asks to be torched alive.

Yeah David is a real hero.


But I'm not sure David poisons Holloway with the intention of impregnating Shaw, that is just a by product. I think it's clear that David feels a connection of some kind to Shaw. David is a creation with a connection to his creator, Shaw's mission and belief is that there are reasons behind her creation other than the 'Cos we could' argument Holloway provides. David, it seems to me, connects with Shaw as he wants to beleive there is more to his creation than just 'Cos we can'. I only watched it the other night but can't now remember, but do we get clarity that David has been instructed to infect the crew? Or is it that David simply doesn't like Holloway for his attitude to the idea of creation? Is David being instructed to release the goo and infect the crew, or is he trying to give himself more purpose, is he now trying to become a creator of sorts? I cant remember if were shown or told David has specific instructions to release the Alien DNA into the crew, or if he is doing it of his own accord. Certainly, if he is instructed, I dont recall where he is told to target Holloway with a view to getting Shaw. I think he picks Holloway cos he dislikes his attitude and has a connection more to Shaw. Remember, this isnt a mission like 'Alien', where the crew is expendable so they can bring back the Xeno, Weyland is using the trip to meet his creator to try to extend his life and be seen as a God in the eyes of his maker. I never said David is a hero, but I think he is pretty far from the villain of this piece.


David is speaking to the sleeping Weyland - he receives orders.
Vickers confronts David in the hallway, and he tells her that the order is "try harder"
Next scene David infects Holloway.

Basically Weyland is told the Engineers are all dead, but David has located a biological substance. Weyland orders him to investigate what effects it has (can it make someone live longer for instance).

David is under the command of Weyland the whole time.


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RE: PROMETHEUS - 9/10/2012 12:56:44 PM   
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That means Vickers was involved too?

I recall him speaking to Weyland in the stasis chamber, but we dont hear what that order is, but it makes perfect sense for it to be a 'use the Alien DNA' order, so I accept that. Still, I'm not sure I agree with Cool Breeze that either a) David is the villain or b) he infects Holloway as a means to get to Shaw. I stil see David choosing Holloway cos he dislikes his attitude.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 9/10/2012 1:13:13 PM   
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David is neither villain nor good guy, the movie isn't that black and white (which is good). I like the idea that David is a curious creation in himself, rather than just being instructed to do what Weyland bids.

Regarding the deleted scenes, i really think the one that frustrates me the most by not being included is the scene where the Engineer stalks Shaw on the lifepod. It's one of the best scenes (not) in the film. Not only does it have great tension but it also gives us a bit more meat to the Engineer and doesn't paint him as a purely malevolent creature, which the movie (minus this scene) does. I cannot believe they cut this scene. I know they had to get it under two hours, but surely there was other stuff to go. You watch that scene with its nice build up of tension, and the fantastic moments when the Engineer is at first bemused by the chandelier and then fascinated by the video of the girl playing the violin, then we have a fun little scrap between Shaw and the Engineer (bits of which we had in the trailers) before the Trilobite is released. In the movie as it stands, we have Shaw on the lifepod, David says the Engineer is coming, the Engineer shows up and literally within about 5-10 seconds she's unleashed the trilobite on him! It's way too quick and jarring. For anyone who has the movie, watch the scene i'm talking about from the deleted scenes, then watch it as it plays in the movie, and tell me it's not way better before it was cut out. Really annoys me this edit. All the others i can live with, but this one really lets the movie down IMO. The expressions on the Engineers face as he touches the chandelier and then sees the video of the violin playing girl are amazing.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 9/10/2012 1:14:25 PM   
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That means Vickers was involved too?

I recall him speaking to Weyland in the stasis chamber, but we dont hear what that order is, but it makes perfect sense for it to be a 'use the Alien DNA' order, so I accept that. Still, I'm not sure I agree with Cool Breeze that either a) David is the villain or b) he infects Holloway as a means to get to Shaw. I stil see David choosing Holloway cos he dislikes his attitude.


Vicker's isn't aware of it. When David comes out she demands to know what he said, and throws the android up against the wall. David gives the answer from Weyland to him as "try harder" - but offers no other details.

Weyland is there to try and extend his life. David comes to him and says the aliens are all dead, but there is a black liquid that contains biological properties. Weyland wants him to pursue this line (thus "try harder") - now, why does David choose Holloway? Well it isn't just that they have a conflict - the chat they have at the pool table is basically David trying to see whether he will be given permission to infect Holloway.

When Charlie says he was willing to do everything and anything to get the answers, David took that as his cue to infect the glass. Holloway was seen as the one who wanted to see the creatures, and not just the bones. Shaw was quite happy with what she had found out - he was the one who wanted more, which is why David selected him

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 9/10/2012 3:25:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44


quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

That means Vickers was involved too?

I recall him speaking to Weyland in the stasis chamber, but we dont hear what that order is, but it makes perfect sense for it to be a 'use the Alien DNA' order, so I accept that. Still, I'm not sure I agree with Cool Breeze that either a) David is the villain or b) he infects Holloway as a means to get to Shaw. I stil see David choosing Holloway cos he dislikes his attitude.


Vicker's isn't aware of it. When David comes out she demands to know what he said, and throws the android up against the wall. David gives the answer from Weyland to him as "try harder" - but offers no other details.

Weyland is there to try and extend his life. David comes to him and says the aliens are all dead, but there is a black liquid that contains biological properties. Weyland wants him to pursue this line (thus "try harder") - now, why does David choose Holloway? Well it isn't just that they have a conflict - the chat they have at the pool table is basically David trying to see whether he will be given permission to infect Holloway.

When Charlie says he was willing to do everything and anything to get the answers, David took that as his cue to infect the glass. Holloway was seen as the one who wanted to see the creatures, and not just the bones. Shaw was quite happy with what she had found out - he was the one who wanted more, which is why David selected him


Thats certainly one way of looking at it.Though im pretty sure Holloway did not want to be infected with a disease that would kill him and impregnate his girlfriend with a big squid monster after having sex!

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 9/10/2012 3:39:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44


quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

That means Vickers was involved too?

I recall him speaking to Weyland in the stasis chamber, but we dont hear what that order is, but it makes perfect sense for it to be a 'use the Alien DNA' order, so I accept that. Still, I'm not sure I agree with Cool Breeze that either a) David is the villain or b) he infects Holloway as a means to get to Shaw. I stil see David choosing Holloway cos he dislikes his attitude.


Vicker's isn't aware of it. When David comes out she demands to know what he said, and throws the android up against the wall. David gives the answer from Weyland to him as "try harder" - but offers no other details.

Weyland is there to try and extend his life. David comes to him and says the aliens are all dead, but there is a black liquid that contains biological properties. Weyland wants him to pursue this line (thus "try harder") - now, why does David choose Holloway? Well it isn't just that they have a conflict - the chat they have at the pool table is basically David trying to see whether he will be given permission to infect Holloway.

When Charlie says he was willing to do everything and anything to get the answers, David took that as his cue to infect the glass. Holloway was seen as the one who wanted to see the creatures, and not just the bones. Shaw was quite happy with what she had found out - he was the one who wanted more, which is why David selected him


Thats certainly one way of looking at it.Though im pretty sure Holloway did not want to be infected with a disease that would kill him and impregnate his girlfriend with a big squid monster after having sex!


Well indeed - but David does ask him "how far are you willing to go" - and only then does he dip his finger in.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 10/10/2012 9:08:32 PM   
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I have watched this movie...released on 08-06-2012 right? nice movie.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 13/10/2012 11:43:56 AM   
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Confused Matthew tackles Prometheus...http://blip.tv/confused-matthew/general-review-prometheus-6397031

One of the best reviews of this film iv seen yet.He pretty much sums up my feelings on the whole movie.Good first half but goes rapidly downhill in the second.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 15/10/2012 9:20:49 AM   
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I've just ordered the 3D blu ray for 13.49...

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/prometheus-special-edition-3d-blu-ray-14-99-sainsburys-1336080

Patience has paid off and cannot wait to get stuck into the extras on this.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 15/10/2012 12:45:47 PM   
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I watched this last night after buying the blu-ray and I liked a little bit more than I did after I saw at the flicks.

I still think it could of benefited from a slower pace, Streitenfeild's score is intrusive and the story is muddled, but on the plus side it's visually impressive, Fassbender is fantastic and I have to give kudos to Scott for trying to make a summer blockbuster that has actually has some brains in its head.

Also: I found the CGI in this film to be less bothersome than other films that are loaded with this visual effect. In some films - like, say, Green Lantern and the Transfomers flicks - the effect can look very obvious and videogamey. But in Prometheus there wasn't a moment that struck me as dodgy. On a technical level it is certainly very accomplished.



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RE: PROMETHEUS - 15/10/2012 1:00:19 PM   
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I watched this last night after buying the blu-ray and I liked a little bit more than I did after I saw at the flicks.

I still think it could of benefited from a slower pace, Streitenfeild's score is intrusive and the story is muddled, but on the plus side it's visually impressive, Fassbender is fantastic and I have to give kudos to Scott for trying to make a summer blockbuster that has actually has some brains in its head.

Also: I found the CGI in this film to be less bothersome than other films that are loaded with this visual effect. In some films - like, say, Green Lantern and the Transfomers flicks - the effect can look very obvious and videogamey. But in Prometheus there wasn't a moment that struck me as dodgy. On a technical level it is certainly very accomplished.




There weren't all that many visual effects compared to other blockbusters - Scott built so many of the sets, that CGI was used really to enhance what already existed.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 15/10/2012 1:04:08 PM  1 votes
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This isn't a 100,000 worded review Girv.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 15/10/2012 1:09:43 PM   
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This isn't a 100,000 worded review Girv.


Trying to be concise.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 15/10/2012 9:50:19 PM   
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I'm only getting the DVD, but I'm sure that Blu-Ray extra stuff will get put on YouTube anyway.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 15/10/2012 10:00:29 PM   
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Saw it last night for the first time (on Blu Ray which looked amazing) and absolutely loved it apart from TWO things.

The first being the point at which someone points out "there's 2 minutes worth of oxygen in the suit" near the beginning which sounded so incredibly clunky she might as well have said THIS WILL COME UP LATER - DID YOU GET THAT?

The other thing being Fifield. I get its a long way from earth but fuck me can't we have a science fiction film without the cliched "i don't wanna be here" bit? Urgh.


Still, despite those two minor things I loved it, which I didn't think I would because I don't rate Sir Ridders as highly as most of this forum and was half-hoping it'd turn out to be a pile of shite so I could laugh to myself. Pleasantly surprised.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 15/10/2012 10:10:47 PM   
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Still, despite those two minor things I loved it, which I didn't think I would because I don't rate Sir Ridders as highly as most of this forum and was half-hoping it'd turn out to be a pile of shite so I could laugh to myself. Pleasantly surprised.



It's certainly a better film than I had any right to expect from the Ridley Scott of today. The last decent flick he made before this was Black Hawk Down.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 15/10/2012 10:30:00 PM   
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I liked it.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 19/10/2012 9:05:15 PM   
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I've just ordered the 3D blu ray for 13.49...

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/prometheus-special-edition-3d-blu-ray-14-99-sainsburys-1336080

Patience has paid off and cannot wait to get stuck into the extras on this.


You've got yourself a good deal there! Last I checked, the 3D bluray was going for between 20-24:99.

So all in all theres three versions;

The DVD
The 'standard' blu-ray with commentary, and alternate begining and ending
The 3D blu-ray with all the extra's

I've still not made my mind on which to buy.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 19/10/2012 10:15:40 PM   
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I've just ordered the 3D blu ray for 13.49...

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/prometheus-special-edition-3d-blu-ray-14-99-sainsburys-1336080

Patience has paid off and cannot wait to get stuck into the extras on this.


You've got yourself a good deal there! Last I checked, the 3D bluray was going for between 20-24:99.

So all in all theres three versions;

The DVD
The 'standard' blu-ray with commentary, and alternate begining and ending
The 3D blu-ray with all the extra's

I've still not made my mind on which to buy.


There's one right option here and if you pick a wrong one you will be electrocuted for stupidity.

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