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ORIGINAL: Nexus Wookie

Just saw the Prometheus DVD/blu-ray at Sainsburys today - DVD customers are getting shafted big time over the extra's, compared to the blu-ray. Its now such a blatant gimmick - either buy the bare as fuck DVD, or pay extra for the extra's and get the blu-ray. Not all of us have a fucking (3D) blu-ray player.

Gimmick? What's a gimmick? Putting the majority of special features on Blu Ray? Why is that a 'gimmick'? It's simply the film companies supporting the new (New?! Who the fuck are we kidding Blu Ray has been doing the rounds for 5 or so years!) improved format. Blu Ray is now as cheap, if not cheaper, than DVD at the same point in it's life. The film company is supporting the Blu format and using that to target the enthsiast/fan market. If you have Blu, you can buy the Standard Edition or Collectors Edition, in the very same way that in the days of DVD you could buy the Standard Edition or the Two Disc Special Edition. The way the film companies are approaching Blu is no real difference to how they approached DVD. We cant expect the companies to keep supporting formats that are going out of date. If you havent made the jump to Blu, fair enough, I get the frustration of being unable to have the extras, but dont suggest it's a gimmick simply because you haven't upgraded yet. Personally, I'm glad that they're doing it in this way, those that are supporting the format are benefitting. Also, why wouldn't people, films fans especially, want to upgrade to see films in the best possible way (picture and sound etc)? Seriously, watching films in Standard Definition is almost as bad as watching football in Standard Def, it's fucking criminal. Why you wouldnt want to see this film in HD is beyond me, it is STUNNING on Blu Ray, easily one of the best quality pictures I've seen.

On another note, my 3D TV has been delivered, and after a quick test earlier, the 3D on Prometheus looked great. Really, really great. It looked like good use of the technology in the cinema, but I think at home it may be even better as things look really, really sharp and there doesnt look to be as much motion blur. I'd happily never watch a 3D movie again, if it stopped tomorrow, I wont mind (as long as Sky Sports continue to use it anyway!). I certainly don't like the approach of 'Make everything 3D!!!' that seems so prevalent with new productions, but if 3D is here to stay and directors like Ridley Scott continue to make films using 3D technology, and they continue to use it like this, then I want to be able to see it so I'm really chuffed I've bought this new set. I dont want to see old classics converted for the sake of it, I dont want film makers to use it for gimmicky purposes, but if it's used well, it can really add to the experience, and I think Prometheus may be the film that's really made me think like that.

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ORIGINAL: Nexus Wookie

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ORIGINAL: porntrooper

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ORIGINAL: Nexus Wookie

Just saw the Prometheus DVD/blu-ray at Sainsburys today - DVD customers are getting shafted big time over the extra's, compared to the blu-ray. Its now such a blatant gimmick - either buy the bare as fuck DVD, or pay extra for the extra's and get the blu-ray. Not all of us have a fucking (3D) blu-ray player.

Gimmick? What's a gimmick? Putting the majority of special features on Blu Ray? Why is that a 'gimmick'? It's simply the film companies supporting the new (New?! Who the fuck are we kidding Blu Ray has been doing the rounds for 5 or so years!) improved format. Blu Ray is now as cheap, if not cheaper, than DVD at the same point in it's life. The film company is supporting the Blu format and using that to target the enthsiast/fan market. If you have Blu, you can buy the Standard Edition or Collectors Edition, in the very same way that in the days of DVD you could buy the Standard Edition or the Two Disc Special Edition. The way the film companies are approaching Blu is no real difference to how they approached DVD. We cant expect the companies to keep supporting formats that are going out of date. If you havent made the jump to Blu, fair enough, I get the frustration of being unable to have the extras, but dont suggest it's a gimmick simply because you haven't upgraded yet. Personally, I'm glad that they're doing it in this way, those that are supporting the format are benefitting. Also, why wouldn't people, films fans especially, want to upgrade to see films in the best possible way (picture and sound etc)? Seriously, watching films in Standard Definition is almost as bad as watching football in Standard Def, it's fucking criminal. Why you wouldnt want to see this film in HD is beyond me, it is STUNNING on Blu Ray, easily one of the best quality pictures I've seen.

On another note, my 3D TV has been delivered, and after a quick test earlier, the 3D on Prometheus looked great. Really, really great. It looked like good use of the technology in the cinema, but I think at home it may be even better as things look really, really sharp and there doesnt look to be as much motion blur. I'd happily never watch a 3D movie again, if it stopped tomorrow, I wont mind (as long as Sky Sports continue to use it anyway!). I certainly don't like the approach of 'Make everything 3D!!!' that seems so prevalent with new productions, but if 3D is here to stay and directors like Ridley Scott continue to make films using 3D technology, and they continue to use it like this, then I want to be able to see it so I'm really chuffed I've bought this new set. I dont want to see old classics converted for the sake of it, I dont want film makers to use it for gimmicky purposes, but if it's used well, it can really add to the experience, and I think Prometheus may be the film that's really made me think like that.

Some of the blu-ray i've seen frankly, isn't all that special quality wise. In fact I remember seeing a blu-ray film which was worse than the DVD in terms of picture quality! And the reason why I haven't upgraded to 3D blu-ray is because that means I have to fork out for a bloody 3D TV. I'm not against the 3D technology, in fact on the contrary I really enjoy it. The problem I have is

1. Money
2. Kids!

I don't want a top of the range 3D blu ray player and TV and all the other bits and bobs sitting in my living room knowing my kids'll probably damage it . Thats why I find buying a DVD a better option. The reason why I'm pissed is because the DVD has no extra's at all. I mean a commentary wouldn't hurt would it? Or even a bleeding 20 minute making of. So I feel I will not be getting my moneys worth for a £10 DVD. In order to enjoy those extra's including the 3D experience, i'll most probably have to wait quite a while. And thats what makes me furious.

The reason I say its a gimmick, not too long ago the DVD's would have pretty all the same extra's as the blu-rays give or take. But now i'm noticing that is not the case. Anyway, its a great film and thats why I opened this thread - so please carry on sharing your thoughts on it guys!

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Dvds are going to be around as long as Blu rays since the players ae compatible with both and most people who rent do so with dvds so i dont see why Fox is screwing the dvd buyers on this.

I seriously don't understand why this is a big problem for you. You have said before that you have a Blu Ray player.... buy the Blu! It has the special features!

As I said before, the Blu market is likely the one where most fans and enthusiasts sit, so it makes perfect sense to target that market with the special features. I've no idea what the rental market is like or what the split is between dvd/blu, but I cannot beleive that the DVD rental market is the one where people are clamouring for special features. The rental market is surely where casual movie fans rent a film to watch once and return it, not to sit watching 7+ hours of documentaries, commentaries and several galleries of poster designs and concept art. So, again, it makes perfect sense to with hold features from the DVD market and target the higher end, higher spec Blu Ray market.

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Anyway, iv said this before but the music score is really inappropriate in this film.The scene that stands out the most is the part where David encounters the holos of the engineers in the SP chamber and sees the star map.The music is full of wonder and almost superhero like.But since David is the villain of the movie and the scene implies the threat of the engineers it should be scored far more ominously.

If it had been Shaw in this scene maybe the score would have worked.

I have problems with the score, it really annoys me. However, the star map scene was one where I actually think it works (I'd also say the opening sequence works too, but there arent many others) and I'm not sure I agree that David is the villain of the piece either. I'm going to have another watch tonight so will hopfeully come back to that, because I think David is almost acting as a counterpoint to Shaw's character, rather than an outright villain.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Dvds are going to be around as long as Blu rays since the players ae compatible with both and most people who rent do so with dvds so i dont see why Fox is screwing the dvd buyers on this.

I seriously don't understand why this is a big problem for you. You have said before that you have a Blu Ray player.... buy the Blu! It has the special features!

As I said before, the Blu market is likely the one where most fans and enthusiasts sit, so it makes perfect sense to target that market with the special features. I've no idea what the rental market is like or what the split is between dvd/blu, but I cannot beleive that the DVD rental market is the one where people are clamouring for special features. The rental market is surely where casual movie fans rent a film to watch once and return it, not to sit watching 7+ hours of documentaries, commentaries and several galleries of poster designs and concept art. So, again, it makes perfect sense to with hold features from the DVD market and target the higher end, higher spec Blu Ray market.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Anyway, iv said this before but the music score is really inappropriate in this film.The scene that stands out the most is the part where David encounters the holos of the engineers in the SP chamber and sees the star map.The music is full of wonder and almost superhero like.But since David is the villain of the movie and the scene implies the threat of the engineers it should be scored far more ominously.

If it had been Shaw in this scene maybe the score would have worked.

I have problems with the score, it really annoys me. However, the star map scene was one where I actually think it works (I'd also say the opening sequence works too, but there arent many others) and I'm not sure I agree that David is the villain of the piece either. I'm going to have another watch tonight so will hopfeully come back to that, because I think David is almost acting as a counterpoint to Shaw's character, rather than an outright villain.

David poisons Holloways drink with the black goo with the intention of impregnating Shaw with an alien and the result is Holloway gets physically sick to such a degree that he asks to be torched alive.

Yeah David is a real hero.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Dvds are going to be around as long as Blu rays since the players ae compatible with both and most people who rent do so with dvds so i dont see why Fox is screwing the dvd buyers on this.

I seriously don't understand why this is a big problem for you. You have said before that you have a Blu Ray player.... buy the Blu! It has the special features!

As I said before, the Blu market is likely the one where most fans and enthusiasts sit, so it makes perfect sense to target that market with the special features. I've no idea what the rental market is like or what the split is between dvd/blu, but I cannot beleive that the DVD rental market is the one where people are clamouring for special features. The rental market is surely where casual movie fans rent a film to watch once and return it, not to sit watching 7+ hours of documentaries, commentaries and several galleries of poster designs and concept art. So, again, it makes perfect sense to with hold features from the DVD market and target the higher end, higher spec Blu Ray market.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Anyway, iv said this before but the music score is really inappropriate in this film.The scene that stands out the most is the part where David encounters the holos of the engineers in the SP chamber and sees the star map.The music is full of wonder and almost superhero like.But since David is the villain of the movie and the scene implies the threat of the engineers it should be scored far more ominously.

If it had been Shaw in this scene maybe the score would have worked.

I have problems with the score, it really annoys me. However, the star map scene was one where I actually think it works (I'd also say the opening sequence works too, but there arent many others) and I'm not sure I agree that David is the villain of the piece either. I'm going to have another watch tonight so will hopfeully come back to that, because I think David is almost acting as a counterpoint to Shaw's character, rather than an outright villain.

David poisons Holloways drink with the black goo with the intention of impregnating Shaw with an alien and the result is Holloway gets physically sick to such a degree that he asks to be torched alive.

Yeah David is a real hero.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

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ORIGINAL: porntrooper

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Dvds are going to be around as long as Blu rays since the players ae compatible with both and most people who rent do so with dvds so i dont see why Fox is screwing the dvd buyers on this.

I seriously don't understand why this is a big problem for you. You have said before that you have a Blu Ray player.... buy the Blu! It has the special features!

As I said before, the Blu market is likely the one where most fans and enthusiasts sit, so it makes perfect sense to target that market with the special features. I've no idea what the rental market is like or what the split is between dvd/blu, but I cannot beleive that the DVD rental market is the one where people are clamouring for special features. The rental market is surely where casual movie fans rent a film to watch once and return it, not to sit watching 7+ hours of documentaries, commentaries and several galleries of poster designs and concept art. So, again, it makes perfect sense to with hold features from the DVD market and target the higher end, higher spec Blu Ray market.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Anyway, iv said this before but the music score is really inappropriate in this film.The scene that stands out the most is the part where David encounters the holos of the engineers in the SP chamber and sees the star map.The music is full of wonder and almost superhero like.But since David is the villain of the movie and the scene implies the threat of the engineers it should be scored far more ominously.

If it had been Shaw in this scene maybe the score would have worked.

I have problems with the score, it really annoys me. However, the star map scene was one where I actually think it works (I'd also say the opening sequence works too, but there arent many others) and I'm not sure I agree that David is the villain of the piece either. I'm going to have another watch tonight so will hopfeully come back to that, because I think David is almost acting as a counterpoint to Shaw's character, rather than an outright villain.

David poisons Holloways drink with the black goo with the intention of impregnating Shaw with an alien and the result is Holloway gets physically sick to such a degree that he asks to be torched alive.

Yeah David is a real hero.

But I'm not sure David poisons Holloway with the intention of impregnating Shaw, that is just a by product. I think it's clear that David feels a connection of some kind to Shaw. David is a creation with a connection to his creator, Shaw's mission and belief is that there are reasons behind her creation other than the 'Cos we could' argument Holloway provides. David, it seems to me, connects with Shaw as he wants to beleive there is more to his creation than just 'Cos we can'. I only watched it the other night but can't now remember, but do we get clarity that David has been instructed to infect the crew? Or is it that David simply doesn't like Holloway for his attitude to the idea of creation? Is David being instructed to release the goo and infect the crew, or is he trying to give himself more purpose, is he now trying to become a creator of sorts? I cant remember if were shown or told David has specific instructions to release the Alien DNA into the crew, or if he is doing it of his own accord. Certainly, if he is instructed, I dont recall where he is told to target Holloway with a view to getting Shaw. I think he picks Holloway cos he dislikes his attitude and has a connection more to Shaw. Remember, this isnt a mission like 'Alien', where the crew is expendable so they can bring back the Xeno, Weyland is using the trip to meet his creator to try to extend his life and be seen as a God in the eyes of his maker. I never said David is a hero, but I think he is pretty far from the villain of this piece.

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That means Vickers was involved too?

I recall him speaking to Weyland in the stasis chamber, but we dont hear what that order is, but it makes perfect sense for it to be a 'use the Alien DNA' order, so I accept that. Still, I'm not sure I agree with Cool Breeze that either a) David is the villain or b) he infects Holloway as a means to get to Shaw. I stil see David choosing Holloway cos he dislikes his attitude.

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ORIGINAL: porntrooper

That means Vickers was involved too?

I recall him speaking to Weyland in the stasis chamber, but we dont hear what that order is, but it makes perfect sense for it to be a 'use the Alien DNA' order, so I accept that. Still, I'm not sure I agree with Cool Breeze that either a) David is the villain or b) he infects Holloway as a means to get to Shaw. I stil see David choosing Holloway cos he dislikes his attitude.

Vicker's isn't aware of it. When David comes out she demands to know what he said, and throws the android up against the wall. David gives the answer from Weyland to him as "try harder" - but offers no other details.

Weyland is there to try and extend his life. David comes to him and says the aliens are all dead, but there is a black liquid that contains biological properties. Weyland wants him to pursue this line (thus "try harder") - now, why does David choose Holloway? Well it isn't just that they have a conflict - the chat they have at the pool table is basically David trying to see whether he will be given permission to infect Holloway.

When Charlie says he was willing to do everything and anything to get the answers, David took that as his cue to infect the glass. Holloway was seen as the one who wanted to see the creatures, and not just the bones. Shaw was quite happy with what she had found out - he was the one who wanted more, which is why David selected him

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That means Vickers was involved too?

I recall him speaking to Weyland in the stasis chamber, but we dont hear what that order is, but it makes perfect sense for it to be a 'use the Alien DNA' order, so I accept that. Still, I'm not sure I agree with Cool Breeze that either a) David is the villain or b) he infects Holloway as a means to get to Shaw. I stil see David choosing Holloway cos he dislikes his attitude.

Vicker's isn't aware of it. When David comes out she demands to know what he said, and throws the android up against the wall. David gives the answer from Weyland to him as "try harder" - but offers no other details.

Weyland is there to try and extend his life. David comes to him and says the aliens are all dead, but there is a black liquid that contains biological properties. Weyland wants him to pursue this line (thus "try harder") - now, why does David choose Holloway? Well it isn't just that they have a conflict - the chat they have at the pool table is basically David trying to see whether he will be given permission to infect Holloway.

When Charlie says he was willing to do everything and anything to get the answers, David took that as his cue to infect the glass. Holloway was seen as the one who wanted to see the creatures, and not just the bones. Shaw was quite happy with what she had found out - he was the one who wanted more, which is why David selected him

Thats certainly one way of looking at it.Though im pretty sure Holloway did not want to be infected with a disease that would kill him and impregnate his girlfriend with a big squid monster after having sex!

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I watched this last night after buying the blu-ray and I liked a little bit more than I did after I saw at the flicks.

I still think it could of benefited from a slower pace, Streitenfeild's score is intrusive and the story is muddled, but on the plus side it's visually impressive, Fassbender is fantastic and I have to give kudos to Scott for trying to make a summer blockbuster that has actually has some brains in its head.

Also: I found the CGI in this film to be less bothersome than other films that are loaded with this visual effect. In some films - like, say, Green Lantern and the Transfomers flicks - the effect can look very obvious and videogamey. But in Prometheus there wasn't a moment that struck me as dodgy. On a technical level it is certainly very accomplished.

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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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This isn't a 100,000 worded review Girv.

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Still, despite those two minor things I loved it, which I didn't think I would because I don't rate Sir Ridders as highly as most of this forum and was half-hoping it'd turn out to be a pile of shite so I could laugh to myself. Pleasantly surprised.

Single Virgin Mod Candidate 2013

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To paraphrase the great man himself:

Vad3r won't go anywhere near this.

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I've just ordered the 3D blu ray for £13.49...

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/prometheus-special-edition-3d-blu-ray-14-99-sainsburys-1336080

Patience has paid off and cannot wait to get stuck into the extras on this.

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I've just ordered the 3D blu ray for £13.49...

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/prometheus-special-edition-3d-blu-ray-14-99-sainsburys-1336080

Patience has paid off and cannot wait to get stuck into the extras on this.

You've got yourself a good deal there! Last I checked, the 3D bluray was going for between £20-£24:99.

So all in all theres three versions;

The DVD
The 'standard' blu-ray with commentary, and alternate begining and ending
The 3D blu-ray with all the extra's

I've still not made my mind on which to buy.