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RE: PROMETHEUS - 4/10/2012 1:44:21 PM   
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But the 3D set is the special edition, so it's not a joke. If you want the extras, get the special edition.


But the majority of those who want those extras will be stuck with a 3D disc they will never use.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 4/10/2012 2:02:51 PM   
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Ok heres the thing.Scott was pretty much forced into shooting Prometheus in 3D as it was one of the reasons the film was greenlit in the first place.He would have shot it in regular 2D if he could but hes not Chris Nolan so he was overuled by the suits at Fox.Secondly,just because a film was shot with 3D cameras does not mean it is necessarily supposed to be the primary way to view the film.Scott (like any decent filmaker would) shot the film in mind to be seen in 3D and regular 2D.

I saw Prometheus at my local cinema in regular 2D and thought it looked beautiful.I certainly did not feel i was missing anything because i wasnt wearing silly specs and having computer displays sticking out at me.I have my issues with the films rather poor script and idiotic characters but im glad i saw it as it was overall a fun movie.

And sorry porntrooper it IS a joke to keep exclusive extras to those who want them on the 3D set. A lot of people want to see those extras but will have to pay more for a 3D disc they will never use when they could have easily put those extra extras on the regular Blu and dvd editions.


OK, firstly, I've never read or heard anything to suggest Scott was forced into 3D. If there are articles out there, give me a link, cos I would love to read them. From pieces I recall reading, Scott was a big advocate for shooting this in 3D. I know it looks beautful in 2D. I've seen it in that format. I've also seen it in 3D, and it is hands down the better experience. It isn't a gimmick used to shove computers in the viewers face, it was a shooting technique used to add depth and vision to the world on screen, and in that regard it was very, very successful. You didn't feel that you were missing anything by seeing it in 2D, thats fine, and in terms of story and how the film plays out, you didn't. In 3D and 2D the movie is essentially the same. However, what you did miss out on, is Scott's intentional use of 3D technology to create a more immersive image on screen. Wether you like it or not, it was there, and you missed it. I cant say if Scott changed the way he shot the movie to accomodate the use of 3D or its conversion back to a 2D image for home viewing, maybe the special features will shed light on it. But this was a movie shot in 3D, presented in 3D as it's primary format. Scott pushed the use of 3D. 3D is the intended format. Doesnt mean you have to watch it or like it, but it was.

Oh, and silly glasses? The glasses are glasses, they have a frame and a lens. What the fuck is so silly about wearing glasses?

Secondly regarding the decision to with hold features for the Collectors Edition (lets not call it the 3D version, it's the Collectors Edition), it is no different, as mentioned before, to the model used for DVD. One vanilla edition at a cheaper price, and a two disc set being more expensive. The Prometheus DVD/Blu release is really just mirroring the release format for DVD back in the day. Version One (DVD) is the cheapest, few extras and is there to appeal to a mass market. Version two (Blu) is more expensive, has a few extras and caters to a market that has made the jump to HD, but isn't a collector/fan/enthusiast. Version three (Collectors Edition Blu) contains all versions of the film, all extras across a multi disc set. There is no rip off happening here. If a consumer wants all the content, they have to pay for it. A two disc DVD could've been released with all extras but it would likely have sold poorly. Why? Cos most film enthusiats and fans have made the jump to Blu. The ones that havent are being encouraged to by these kind of release strategies. A lot of people want the extras and will have to pay more for it? Yes, thats the point, the more you pay, the more you get. It is not new, it isnt a rip off. Each consumer will get the content they pay for. You've confirmed that you have a Blu Ray player, so if you want the content and the film, buy the Collectors Edition and you will have it. The Collectors Edition includes both 3D and 2D presentations of the film. You never have to use the 3D disc if you so choose. I'll never use UltraViolet or Digital Copies, ever. But they're there all the same. I cannot beleive you can't grasp this multi disc Special/Collectors Edition concept that has been around since the early days of DVD.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 4/10/2012 2:06:06 PM   
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But the 3D set is the special edition, so it's not a joke. If you want the extras, get the special edition.


But the majority of those who want those extras will be stuck with a 3D disc they will never use.


How do you know this? How do you know that the majority are not buying it as they want both 2D and 3D versions of the film? I certainly do, Donovan does. That's two people right there, in this small sub forum. As above, I'd guess most people wanting the features will buy the Collectors Edition including both versions of the film. Those with no use of 3D may never use it, some will see it as future proofing (let's face it, new TV's are 3D ready and will be for a long time to come). Like I say, I never want, need or use Digital Copies, but they're included in the package and as such incur some kind of cost for which I must pay. If a consumer wants all the content a business is putting out, they have to pay for it.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 4/10/2012 5:35:28 PM   
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Maybe when they actually perfect 3D and make it worthwhile I'll change my mind on it, but for the moment I think it's a complete rip off and waste of money. I think it's absolutely disgusting that they are trying to force this crappy format on us. It's bad enough them trying to force Blu Rays on us by not putting extras on the DVDs, but i can live with that. But fucking 3D? Kermode was right. 3D is bollocks. Even when they have perfected it [which they certainly haven't yet, characters still look like cardboards cut-outs, etc], I don't really see the point of it.

And I wouldn't take the fact that Scott is an advocate of 3D as a reason for 3D being worthwhile, considering how poor Prometheus was, but I won't go into that again as this is the Favourite Film thread

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 4/10/2012 7:07:36 PM   
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But the 3D set is the special edition, so it's not a joke. If you want the extras, get the special edition.


But the majority of those who want those extras will be stuck with a 3D disc they will never use.


This is not necessarily fact, how do you know it will be the majority? How do you know these people wont upgrade in future? Besides it's only one disc sitting in the case, it's not gonna take up any extra shelf space!

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 4/10/2012 7:12:01 PM   
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Maybe when they actually perfect 3D and make it worthwhile I'll change my mind on it, but for the moment I think it's a complete rip off and waste of money. I think it's absolutely disgusting that they are trying to force this crappy format on us. It's bad enough them trying to force Blu Rays on us by not putting extras on the DVDs, but i can live with that. But fucking 3D? Kermode was right. 3D is bollocks. Even when they have perfected it [which they certainly haven't yet, characters still look like cardboards cut-outs, etc], I don't really see the point of it.

And I wouldn't take the fact that Scott is an advocate of 3D as a reason for 3D being worthwhile, considering how poor Prometheus was, but I won't go into that again as this is the Favourite Film thread



I think you'll find a lot of people are very happy with the 3D they get to view at home, i know i'm delighted with it and i dont have any movies where characters look like cardboard cutouts! I respect your opinion dude, but obviously disagree with you in this instance. 3D is not a rip off and a waste of money for me!

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 4/10/2012 9:46:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dr Lenera

Maybe when they actually perfect 3D and make it worthwhile I'll change my mind on it, but for the moment I think it's a complete rip off and waste of money. I think it's absolutely disgusting that they are trying to force this crappy format on us. It's bad enough them trying to force Blu Rays on us by not putting extras on the DVDs, but i can live with that. But fucking 3D? Kermode was right. 3D is bollocks. Even when they have perfected it [which they certainly haven't yet, characters still look like cardboards cut-outs, etc], I don't really see the point of it.

And I wouldn't take the fact that Scott is an advocate of 3D as a reason for 3D being worthwhile, considering how poor Prometheus was, but I won't go into that again as this is the Favourite Film thread



I think you'll find a lot of people are very happy with the 3D they get to view at home, i know i'm delighted with it and i dont have any movies where characters look like cardboard cutouts! I respect your opinion dude, but obviously disagree with you in this instance. 3D is not a rip off and a waste of money for me!


But you own Van Helsing...and Clash Of The Titans...and John Carter...

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 4/10/2012 9:51:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


quote:

ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD


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ORIGINAL: Dr Lenera

Maybe when they actually perfect 3D and make it worthwhile I'll change my mind on it, but for the moment I think it's a complete rip off and waste of money. I think it's absolutely disgusting that they are trying to force this crappy format on us. It's bad enough them trying to force Blu Rays on us by not putting extras on the DVDs, but i can live with that. But fucking 3D? Kermode was right. 3D is bollocks. Even when they have perfected it [which they certainly haven't yet, characters still look like cardboards cut-outs, etc], I don't really see the point of it.

And I wouldn't take the fact that Scott is an advocate of 3D as a reason for 3D being worthwhile, considering how poor Prometheus was, but I won't go into that again as this is the Favourite Film thread



I think you'll find a lot of people are very happy with the 3D they get to view at home, i know i'm delighted with it and i dont have any movies where characters look like cardboard cutouts! I respect your opinion dude, but obviously disagree with you in this instance. 3D is not a rip off and a waste of money for me!


But you own Van Helsing...and Clash Of The Titans...and John Carter...


You like Star Trek Nemesis and Alien: Res so lets keep it all in perspective.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 4/10/2012 10:33:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dr Lenera

Maybe when they actually perfect 3D and make it worthwhile I'll change my mind on it, but for the moment I think it's a complete rip off and waste of money. I think it's absolutely disgusting that they are trying to force this crappy format on us. It's bad enough them trying to force Blu Rays on us by not putting extras on the DVDs, but i can live with that. But fucking 3D? Kermode was right. 3D is bollocks. Even when they have perfected it [which they certainly haven't yet, characters still look like cardboards cut-outs, etc], I don't really see the point of it.

And I wouldn't take the fact that Scott is an advocate of 3D as a reason for 3D being worthwhile, considering how poor Prometheus was, but I won't go into that again as this is the Favourite Film thread



I think you'll find a lot of people are very happy with the 3D they get to view at home, i know i'm delighted with it and i dont have any movies where characters look like cardboard cutouts! I respect your opinion dude, but obviously disagree with you in this instance. 3D is not a rip off and a waste of money for me!


But you own Van Helsing...and Clash Of The Titans...and John Carter...


Hey!

Well i love movies with monsters, creatures and fantastical stuff. I would LOVE van helsing to be converted to 3D!

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 5/10/2012 2:39:19 AM   
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Well i love movies with monsters, creatures and fantastical stuff. I would LOVE van helsing to be converted to 3D!


I saw Van Helsing again last week and I thought exactly the same thing. I don't really like 3D that much but I do reckon VH would look amazing.


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RE: PROMETHEUS - 5/10/2012 9:26:55 AM   
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Wildly off topic.... Van Helsing is a film I should love. It's a goofy big budget adventure, good cast, camp villains and good production values. But I just cannot get through it. I dont know how many times Ive tried to watch that movie but I never manage it all the way through. I like the opening, I like the Hyde sequence, I like the goofy Q character and the implausible gadgets and weapons, I like camp OTT Dracula and ridiculous brides, but then after that first villiage attack I loose all interest, the Werewolf plot kicks in and.. well, I dont know, cos I always turn it off. Ive caught bits and pieces of the finale and it looked terrible. I can get over the waxy, cartoon like CGI, but for reasons unknown I just cannot watch that whole film.

Back on topic.... Please, please let Prometheus arrive today! It's such a strange thing this film, I dont think I've loved a film that is this obviously flawed for a long time. Really want to sit down tonight with a glass of red, watch the features then the deleted scenes and then the film. Sadly, it doesnt look like the 3D tv is going to arrive until Monday, so my first viewing is going to be in 2D. I'll save 3D for next week.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 5/10/2012 8:08:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD


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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


quote:

ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dr Lenera

Maybe when they actually perfect 3D and make it worthwhile I'll change my mind on it, but for the moment I think it's a complete rip off and waste of money. I think it's absolutely disgusting that they are trying to force this crappy format on us. It's bad enough them trying to force Blu Rays on us by not putting extras on the DVDs, but i can live with that. But fucking 3D? Kermode was right. 3D is bollocks. Even when they have perfected it [which they certainly haven't yet, characters still look like cardboards cut-outs, etc], I don't really see the point of it.

And I wouldn't take the fact that Scott is an advocate of 3D as a reason for 3D being worthwhile, considering how poor Prometheus was, but I won't go into that again as this is the Favourite Film thread



I think you'll find a lot of people are very happy with the 3D they get to view at home, i know i'm delighted with it and i dont have any movies where characters look like cardboard cutouts! I respect your opinion dude, but obviously disagree with you in this instance. 3D is not a rip off and a waste of money for me!


But you own Van Helsing...and Clash Of The Titans...and John Carter...


Hey!

Well i love movies with monsters, creatures and fantastical stuff. I would LOVE van helsing to be converted to 3D!


Well it cant make it any worse i suppose since the film is an eyesore already.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 5/10/2012 10:27:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dr Lenera

Maybe when they actually perfect 3D and make it worthwhile I'll change my mind on it, but for the moment I think it's a complete rip off and waste of money. I think it's absolutely disgusting that they are trying to force this crappy format on us. It's bad enough them trying to force Blu Rays on us by not putting extras on the DVDs, but i can live with that. But fucking 3D? Kermode was right. 3D is bollocks. Even when they have perfected it [which they certainly haven't yet, characters still look like cardboards cut-outs, etc], I don't really see the point of it.

And I wouldn't take the fact that Scott is an advocate of 3D as a reason for 3D being worthwhile, considering how poor Prometheus was, but I won't go into that again as this is the Favourite Film thread



I think you'll find a lot of people are very happy with the 3D they get to view at home, i know i'm delighted with it and i dont have any movies where characters look like cardboard cutouts! I respect your opinion dude, but obviously disagree with you in this instance. 3D is not a rip off and a waste of money for me!


But you own Van Helsing...and Clash Of The Titans...and John Carter...


Hey!

Well i love movies with monsters, creatures and fantastical stuff. I would LOVE van helsing to be converted to 3D!


Well it cant make it any worse i suppose since the film is an eyesore already.


Except for Dracula's bitches and their cleavages.

Over the last few days Fox had been releasing some examples of Prometheus extras. What is emerging is the backstory which never fully been explored is coming to light. Did you know at least some of dead Enginners were killed by multiple Deacons? No doubt this will be explored more in Paradise. So for me it is vital to get the 3d version just for the extras. Luckily enough I know someone who owns a 3DTV and missed the chance to see Prometheus with us in the cinema. He does want see the film and happily pay the additional cost I had to pay to get the extra 3d disc. So we are both winners.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 6/10/2012 9:58:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD


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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


quote:

ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dr Lenera

Maybe when they actually perfect 3D and make it worthwhile I'll change my mind on it, but for the moment I think it's a complete rip off and waste of money. I think it's absolutely disgusting that they are trying to force this crappy format on us. It's bad enough them trying to force Blu Rays on us by not putting extras on the DVDs, but i can live with that. But fucking 3D? Kermode was right. 3D is bollocks. Even when they have perfected it [which they certainly haven't yet, characters still look like cardboards cut-outs, etc], I don't really see the point of it.

And I wouldn't take the fact that Scott is an advocate of 3D as a reason for 3D being worthwhile, considering how poor Prometheus was, but I won't go into that again as this is the Favourite Film thread



I think you'll find a lot of people are very happy with the 3D they get to view at home, i know i'm delighted with it and i dont have any movies where characters look like cardboard cutouts! I respect your opinion dude, but obviously disagree with you in this instance. 3D is not a rip off and a waste of money for me!


But you own Van Helsing...and Clash Of The Titans...and John Carter...


Hey!

Well i love movies with monsters, creatures and fantastical stuff. I would LOVE van helsing to be converted to 3D!


Well it cant make it any worse i suppose since the film is an eyesore already.


Zing! Very good mate! Van helsing as fantastic cinematography, costumes and production design!

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 6/10/2012 1:12:45 PM   
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On the Blu Ray, go to the David viral video - read the text next to it. A pretty big Blade Runner easter egg there.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 6/10/2012 3:57:24 PM   
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On the Blu Ray, go to the David viral video - read the text next to it. A pretty big Blade Runner easter egg there.

this?

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 7/10/2012 6:40:29 PM   
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The Prometheus Steelbook is pretty lovely, shame it's not embossed/ debossed but it's very cool all the same:




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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 8:55:20 AM   
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The Prometheus Steelbook is pretty lovely, shame it's not embossed/ debossed but it's very cool all the same:







That's a nice looking Steelbook DK but I found Promethus boring did like the last 20 minutes and Michael Fassbender, Charlize Theron and Idris Elba were all good in the film.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 10:07:49 AM   
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Just posted this in the DVD forum, but it's probably more appropriate here;

Watched a bunch of the extras over the weekend, but havent watched the making of yet.

Loving the deleted scenes to be honest. Id heard rumblings that they didnt really add much and that was probably why they were not being used to create a new cut, however, I thought some really did add to certain characters. The scene between Vickers and Janek was really good and added a more human element to Vickers, and gave a more natural feel to Janek's realisation of what was happening.The first discovery of life by Milburn was good too, and makes his actions later in the movie (when confronted with the xeno-cobra thingy) seem more plausible. The slight extension of drunk Holloway arguing with Shaw was pretty good as again, it gives a few more hints of how characters (in particular Shaw) is piecing together things. I lived the extended Vickers ad Weyland chat, and it was nice to hear her reference Holloways mutant sperm monster in the next room. The extended confrontation between Weyland and The Engineer just felt better too, and the finale as he stalks Shaw in the lifepod and her fight with him was much, much better than what was in the final cut. All things that I thought coulve improved things in the movie,it would still have had issues, but a few beats here and there wouldve helped. One alternate scene that I preferred that I didnt expect to, was the CG version of the Fifield beast. I never thought I'd be preferring CG over pravtical effects and make up, but the beast here felt much more 'Alien' and seemed to fit better with the feel of the rest creature design, and as the CG beastie bounced around it felt much stranger, more Alien-like and didnt feel like a stuntman bouncing round on wires. I was really surprised to prefer that! All in all, it's a good set of additional scenes and could help miprove things. I liked em.


Watched the film again too (in 2D) and it is a great, great transfer, it looks superb. Surely reference quality? I still have issues with the film, but as before, they're more to do with how certain characters act and are written, than with the overall plot of the film and how it fits into the Alien universe (I think it does that really, really well!). I never really had a problem with the open ending or with the number of unanswered questions that a lot of people did, I'm really glad it didnt just try to take away all that mystery of the Space Jockeys and where the Xeno we know and love comes from, and it never tries to tell the story of the derelict. That wouldve been a mistake in my opinion, so for Pronmetheus to take that universe and expand it, to give hints at where the Xeno comes from, to start to show that evolution of it and to keep those ideas reproduction, infection and fertilisation present from 'Alien' was a really good idea. Ridley Scott's explanation of how Prometheus holds 'strands of DNA' with the Alien movies was so, so accurate. Flawed, but still brilliant and, in my opinion, better than most movies released during the Summer season.

I'd still lvoe to see a Directors Cut with some of the deleted scenes re-inserted. I'd also wager that there are more alternative/deleted scenes, so it could still be a possibility. Plus, I'd love them to redo the score, it's such a pain and only works during one or two scenes. It really annoys me. They really should do a Directors/Extended Cut and redo the score as they did with Troy.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 11:58:56 AM   
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Just saw the Prometheus DVD/blu-ray at Sainsburys today - DVD customers are getting shafted big time over the extra's, compared to the blu-ray. Its now such a blatant gimmick - either buy the bare as fuck DVD, or pay extra for the extra's and get the blu-ray. Not all of us have a fucking (3D) blu-ray player.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 12:57:28 PM   
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Just saw the Prometheus DVD/blu-ray at Sainsburys today - DVD customers are getting shafted big time over the extra's, compared to the blu-ray. Its now such a blatant gimmick - either buy the bare as fuck DVD, or pay extra for the extra's and get the blu-ray. Not all of us have a fucking (3D) blu-ray player.


We've been over this quite a bit in the DVD forum. My advice is upgrade to blu, you wont regret it and frankly it knocks DVD out of the park in every way imaginable. Prometheus looks staggering on blu ray in 3D and 2D.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 12:59:34 PM   
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Just posted this in the DVD forum, but it's probably more appropriate here;

Watched a bunch of the extras over the weekend, but havent watched the making of yet.

Loving the deleted scenes to be honest. Id heard rumblings that they didnt really add much and that was probably why they were not being used to create a new cut, however, I thought some really did add to certain characters. The scene between Vickers and Janek was really good and added a more human element to Vickers, and gave a more natural feel to Janek's realisation of what was happening.The first discovery of life by Milburn was good too, and makes his actions later in the movie (when confronted with the xeno-cobra thingy) seem more plausible. The slight extension of drunk Holloway arguing with Shaw was pretty good as again, it gives a few more hints of how characters (in particular Shaw) is piecing together things. I lived the extended Vickers ad Weyland chat, and it was nice to hear her reference Holloways mutant sperm monster in the next room. The extended confrontation between Weyland and The Engineer just felt better too, and the finale as he stalks Shaw in the lifepod and her fight with him was much, much better than what was in the final cut. All things that I thought coulve improved things in the movie,it would still have had issues, but a few beats here and there wouldve helped. One alternate scene that I preferred that I didnt expect to, was the CG version of the Fifield beast. I never thought I'd be preferring CG over pravtical effects and make up, but the beast here felt much more 'Alien' and seemed to fit better with the feel of the rest creature design, and as the CG beastie bounced around it felt much stranger, more Alien-like and didnt feel like a stuntman bouncing round on wires. I was really surprised to prefer that! All in all, it's a good set of additional scenes and could help miprove things. I liked em.


Watched the film again too (in 2D) and it is a great, great transfer, it looks superb. Surely reference quality? I still have issues with the film, but as before, they're more to do with how certain characters act and are written, than with the overall plot of the film and how it fits into the Alien universe (I think it does that really, really well!). I never really had a problem with the open ending or with the number of unanswered questions that a lot of people did, I'm really glad it didnt just try to take away all that mystery of the Space Jockeys and where the Xeno we know and love comes from, and it never tries to tell the story of the derelict. That wouldve been a mistake in my opinion, so for Pronmetheus to take that universe and expand it, to give hints at where the Xeno comes from, to start to show that evolution of it and to keep those ideas reproduction, infection and fertilisation present from 'Alien' was a really good idea. Ridley Scott's explanation of how Prometheus holds 'strands of DNA' with the Alien movies was so, so accurate. Flawed, but still brilliant and, in my opinion, better than most movies released during the Summer season.

I'd still lvoe to see a Directors Cut with some of the deleted scenes re-inserted. I'd also wager that there are more alternative/deleted scenes, so it could still be a possibility. Plus, I'd love them to redo the score, it's such a pain and only works during one or two scenes. It really annoys me. They really should do a Directors/Extended Cut and redo the score as they did with Troy.


Yes porntrooper absolutely. The two scenes i would put back in would be the more mutated Fifield attack scene and the scene where the engineer searches for Shaw in the lifepod. I think i would also put back in the scene where Janek explains how he's seen this kind of thing before, so it makes the bit where he says it's a weapons facility not seem so out of the blue. So yes, i agree with you on all counts.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 1:15:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nexus Wookie

Just saw the Prometheus DVD/blu-ray at Sainsburys today - DVD customers are getting shafted big time over the extra's, compared to the blu-ray. Its now such a blatant gimmick - either buy the bare as fuck DVD, or pay extra for the extra's and get the blu-ray. Not all of us have a fucking (3D) blu-ray player.


Gimmick? What's a gimmick? Putting the majority of special features on Blu Ray? Why is that a 'gimmick'? It's simply the film companies supporting the new (New?! Who the fuck are we kidding Blu Ray has been doing the rounds for 5 or so years!) improved format. Blu Ray is now as cheap, if not cheaper, than DVD at the same point in it's life. The film company is supporting the Blu format and using that to target the enthsiast/fan market. If you have Blu, you can buy the Standard Edition or Collectors Edition, in the very same way that in the days of DVD you could buy the Standard Edition or the Two Disc Special Edition. The way the film companies are approaching Blu is no real difference to how they approached DVD. We cant expect the companies to keep supporting formats that are going out of date. If you havent made the jump to Blu, fair enough, I get the frustration of being unable to have the extras, but dont suggest it's a gimmick simply because you haven't upgraded yet. Personally, I'm glad that they're doing it in this way, those that are supporting the format are benefitting. Also, why wouldn't people, films fans especially, want to upgrade to see films in the best possible way (picture and sound etc)? Seriously, watching films in Standard Definition is almost as bad as watching football in Standard Def, it's fucking criminal. Why you wouldnt want to see this film in HD is beyond me, it is STUNNING on Blu Ray, easily one of the best quality pictures I've seen.

On another note, my 3D TV has been delivered, and after a quick test earlier, the 3D on Prometheus looked great. Really, really great. It looked like good use of the technology in the cinema, but I think at home it may be even better as things look really, really sharp and there doesnt look to be as much motion blur. I'd happily never watch a 3D movie again, if it stopped tomorrow, I wont mind (as long as Sky Sports continue to use it anyway!). I certainly don't like the approach of 'Make everything 3D!!!' that seems so prevalent with new productions, but if 3D is here to stay and directors like Ridley Scott continue to make films using 3D technology, and they continue to use it like this, then I want to be able to see it so I'm really chuffed I've bought this new set. I dont want to see old classics converted for the sake of it, I dont want film makers to use it for gimmicky purposes, but if it's used well, it can really add to the experience, and I think Prometheus may be the film that's really made me think like that.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 1:19:57 PM   
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I still hate the Engineers Flute!!! Fuck that shit!!!

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 1:38:04 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nexus Wookie

Just saw the Prometheus DVD/blu-ray at Sainsburys today - DVD customers are getting shafted big time over the extra's, compared to the blu-ray. Its now such a blatant gimmick - either buy the bare as fuck DVD, or pay extra for the extra's and get the blu-ray. Not all of us have a fucking (3D) blu-ray player.


Gimmick? What's a gimmick? Putting the majority of special features on Blu Ray? Why is that a 'gimmick'? It's simply the film companies supporting the new (New?! Who the fuck are we kidding Blu Ray has been doing the rounds for 5 or so years!) improved format. Blu Ray is now as cheap, if not cheaper, than DVD at the same point in it's life. The film company is supporting the Blu format and using that to target the enthsiast/fan market. If you have Blu, you can buy the Standard Edition or Collectors Edition, in the very same way that in the days of DVD you could buy the Standard Edition or the Two Disc Special Edition. The way the film companies are approaching Blu is no real difference to how they approached DVD. We cant expect the companies to keep supporting formats that are going out of date. If you havent made the jump to Blu, fair enough, I get the frustration of being unable to have the extras, but dont suggest it's a gimmick simply because you haven't upgraded yet. Personally, I'm glad that they're doing it in this way, those that are supporting the format are benefitting. Also, why wouldn't people, films fans especially, want to upgrade to see films in the best possible way (picture and sound etc)? Seriously, watching films in Standard Definition is almost as bad as watching football in Standard Def, it's fucking criminal. Why you wouldnt want to see this film in HD is beyond me, it is STUNNING on Blu Ray, easily one of the best quality pictures I've seen.

On another note, my 3D TV has been delivered, and after a quick test earlier, the 3D on Prometheus looked great. Really, really great. It looked like good use of the technology in the cinema, but I think at home it may be even better as things look really, really sharp and there doesnt look to be as much motion blur. I'd happily never watch a 3D movie again, if it stopped tomorrow, I wont mind (as long as Sky Sports continue to use it anyway!). I certainly don't like the approach of 'Make everything 3D!!!' that seems so prevalent with new productions, but if 3D is here to stay and directors like Ridley Scott continue to make films using 3D technology, and they continue to use it like this, then I want to be able to see it so I'm really chuffed I've bought this new set. I dont want to see old classics converted for the sake of it, I dont want film makers to use it for gimmicky purposes, but if it's used well, it can really add to the experience, and I think Prometheus may be the film that's really made me think like that.


Glad your tv turned up mate! I went a bit nuts buying 3D blus when i got mine, but to be honest, i had been buying them for a bit before i got my TV as i knew i was going to upgrade.



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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 2:58:41 PM   
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cool early concept art:


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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 3:24:03 PM   
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Dvds are going to be around as long as Blu rays since the players ae compatible with both and most people who rent do so with dvds so i dont see why Fox is screwing the dvd buyers on this.

Anyway, iv said this before but the music score is really inappropriate in this film.The scene that stands out the most is the part where David encounters the holos of the engineers in the SP chamber and sees the star map.The music is full of wonder and almost superhero like.But since David is the villain of the movie and the scene implies the threat of the engineers it should be scored far more ominously.

If it had been Shaw in this scene maybe the score would have worked.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 3:49:22 PM   
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Dvds are going to be around as long as Blu rays since the players ae compatible with both and most people who rent do so with dvds so i dont see why Fox is screwing the dvd buyers on this.



I seriously don't understand why this is a big problem for you. You have said before that you have a Blu Ray player.... buy the Blu! It has the special features!

As I said before, the Blu market is likely the one where most fans and enthusiasts sit, so it makes perfect sense to target that market with the special features. I've no idea what the rental market is like or what the split is between dvd/blu, but I cannot beleive that the DVD rental market is the one where people are clamouring for special features. The rental market is surely where casual movie fans rent a film to watch once and return it, not to sit watching 7+ hours of documentaries, commentaries and several galleries of poster designs and concept art. So, again, it makes perfect sense to with hold features from the DVD market and target the higher end, higher spec Blu Ray market.

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Anyway, iv said this before but the music score is really inappropriate in this film.The scene that stands out the most is the part where David encounters the holos of the engineers in the SP chamber and sees the star map.The music is full of wonder and almost superhero like.But since David is the villain of the movie and the scene implies the threat of the engineers it should be scored far more ominously.

If it had been Shaw in this scene maybe the score would have worked.


I have problems with the score, it really annoys me. However, the star map scene was one where I actually think it works (I'd also say the opening sequence works too, but there arent many others) and I'm not sure I agree that David is the villain of the piece either. I'm going to have another watch tonight so will hopfeully come back to that, because I think David is almost acting as a counterpoint to Shaw's character, rather than an outright villain.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 3:57:03 PM   
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Also, I'm about 25 minutes into the Furious Gods documentary (although it feels much longer due to the enhancement pods) and it is really great. It's so far really pretty honest (particularly getting the feeling Spaihts wasn't happy with Lindeloff comign on board!) and features some great art and concept stuff, loving some of the 'Deacon' designs! Plus, it's great to see an almost constant supply of wine during production... no wonder some of the Engineer concepts were barking fucking mad!!

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 8/10/2012 4:11:13 PM   
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Just posted this in the DVD forum, but it's probably more appropriate here;

Watched a bunch of the extras over the weekend, but havent watched the making of yet.

Loving the deleted scenes to be honest. Id heard rumblings that they didnt really add much and that was probably why they were not being used to create a new cut, however, I thought some really did add to certain characters. The scene between Vickers and Janek was really good and added a more human element to Vickers, and gave a more natural feel to Janek's realisation of what was happening.The first discovery of life by Milburn was good too, and makes his actions later in the movie (when confronted with the xeno-cobra thingy) seem more plausible. The slight extension of drunk Holloway arguing with Shaw was pretty good as again, it gives a few more hints of how characters (in particular Shaw) is piecing together things. I lived the extended Vickers ad Weyland chat, and it was nice to hear her reference Holloways mutant sperm monster in the next room. The extended confrontation between Weyland and The Engineer just felt better too, and the finale as he stalks Shaw in the lifepod and her fight with him was much, much better than what was in the final cut. All things that I thought coulve improved things in the movie,it would still have had issues, but a few beats here and there wouldve helped. One alternate scene that I preferred that I didnt expect to, was the CG version of the Fifield beast. I never thought I'd be preferring CG over pravtical effects and make up, but the beast here felt much more 'Alien' and seemed to fit better with the feel of the rest creature design, and as the CG beastie bounced around it felt much stranger, more Alien-like and didnt feel like a stuntman bouncing round on wires. I was really surprised to prefer that! All in all, it's a good set of additional scenes and could help miprove things. I liked em.


Watched the film again too (in 2D) and it is a great, great transfer, it looks superb. Surely reference quality? I still have issues with the film, but as before, they're more to do with how certain characters act and are written, than with the overall plot of the film and how it fits into the Alien universe (I think it does that really, really well!). I never really had a problem with the open ending or with the number of unanswered questions that a lot of people did, I'm really glad it didnt just try to take away all that mystery of the Space Jockeys and where the Xeno we know and love comes from, and it never tries to tell the story of the derelict. That wouldve been a mistake in my opinion, so for Pronmetheus to take that universe and expand it, to give hints at where the Xeno comes from, to start to show that evolution of it and to keep those ideas reproduction, infection and fertilisation present from 'Alien' was a really good idea. Ridley Scott's explanation of how Prometheus holds 'strands of DNA' with the Alien movies was so, so accurate. Flawed, but still brilliant and, in my opinion, better than most movies released during the Summer season.

I'd still lvoe to see a Directors Cut with some of the deleted scenes re-inserted. I'd also wager that there are more alternative/deleted scenes, so it could still be a possibility. Plus, I'd love them to redo the score, it's such a pain and only works during one or two scenes. It really annoys me. They really should do a Directors/Extended Cut and redo the score as they did with Troy.


I'll have to give the deleted scenes a watch later. The Fifield thing sounds interesting. Agreed on the blu-ray quality aswell, fantastic transfer.

Adding layers to the Alien universe in the way they have is brilliant, I love all the mystery and unanswered questions, I don't need or want everything explained away in 2 hours. I like thinking about all the ideas and hints Prometheus throws at us, it's why I liked Lost (although 6 seasons of unanswered questions is taking the piss!) and theres a real sense of wonder that I don't think many other sci-fi films have managed to capture.

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