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RE: PROMETHEUS - 14/8/2012 2:47:23 PM   
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They are the same. And it is pretty easy to work out how it functions.

To quote David - "Sometimes in order to create you must first destroy".


I disagree. I think the Grey-Mercury substance at the start breaks down the Engineer into the most simple-cell state of life, while the black-goo in the jars later on mutates people into some kind of violent zombie-weapon (Fifeld). It's also black.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 14/8/2012 3:48:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

They are the same. And it is pretty easy to work out how it functions.

To quote David - "Sometimes in order to create you must first destroy".


I disagree. I think the Grey-Mercury substance at the start breaks down the Engineer into the most simple-cell state of life, while the black-goo in the jars later on mutates people into some kind of violent zombie-weapon (Fifeld). It's also black.


It deconstructs and then rebuilds the DNA of a creature. The SJ at the start drinks a whole cup and his body breaks apart pretty quickly, and reforms into new strands of DNA, which in turn we are to persume create mankind. It rebuilds rapidly.

The worms in the Chamber - the DNA breaks them down, and then reconstructs to create a new worm like creature. Although we do not see this taking place we know that is what the liquid does. It breaks down, and reforms DNA. Because it is a simple creature it develops fast.

Holloway gets only a tiny amount, and thus the breakdown of his DNA takes longer - but I have no doubt he would have have turned into the same gloop that the SJ was in the opening.

Fifield goes face down into the liquid, and we see it breaking down and reconstructing the tissue it touched. No indication that he consumed it. It was on his skin which broke down and changed him.

The thing in Shaw is basically the sperm from Holloway which is again, deconstructed, and then rebuilt and sits in her womb, but with no egg to link it up.

The material destroys, and then creates. It is consistant with the idea in the older version of Alien that the eggs were actually former creatures which the alien turned into eggs with new life contained within. While that was removed before the film was released, there is a certain idea that is used again in Prometheus. Not to mention rapid growth - another feature of the goo.



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RE: PROMETHEUS - 14/8/2012 3:51:42 PM   
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As for what that other green goo was - that is clearly a clue that an Alien was involved in whatever happened 2,000 previously. Remember the crew don't know about the xenos. The SJs are all running from something and at the end, in the piles of bodies the main injuries seem to have been damage to the head, and to the chest. Remind you guys of anything?

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 14/8/2012 9:51:21 PM   
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Some new stuff for the Blu Ray.

- ALTERNATE AND DELETED SCENES: [34:54]
* ARRIVAL OF THE ENGINEERS [2:31]
* T'IS THE SEASON [0:58]
* OUR FIRST ALIEN [0:42]
* SKIN [0:42]
* WE'RE NOT ALONE ANYMORE [1:22]
* STRANGE BEDFELLOWS [2:57]
* HOLLOWAY HUNGOVER [1:25]
* DAVID'S OBJECTIVE [0:23]
* JANEK FILLS VICKERS IN [3:27]
* A KING HAS HIS REIGN [3:40]
* FIFIELD ATTACKS [2:01]
* THE ENGINEER SPEAKS [4:06]
* FINAL BATTLE [5:30]
* PARADISE [5:05]

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 14/8/2012 10:17:30 PM   
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Full extras so far -

- AUDIO COMMENTARY BY WRITER JON SPAIHTS AND WRITER/EXECUTIVE PRODUCER DAMON LINDELOF [118:38]

- DIRECTOR'S AUDIO COMMENTARY [118:38]

- DEMONS IN THE DARK - CREATURE DESIGN [26:57]

- FIRE FROM THE SKY - VISUAL EFFECTS [23:33]

- HAZARD PAY - STUNTS AND ACTION [23:46]

- ENHANCEMENT PODS:
* THE TITLE CONUNDRUM [2:29]
* PROMETHEUS: THE BOARD GAME [3:12]
* SEXBURSTER [1:46]
* KNICK KNACKS OF TOMORROW [4:30]
* FUN WITH MOLECULAR GASTRONOMY [5:57]
* BUILDING BETTER LOGOS [2:13]
* MAKER'S MARK [1:51]
* THE AMPULE SHOPPE [2:02]
* LANGUAGE OF THE GODS [3:45]
* FIRST EXPOSURE: ALIEN [5:31]
* BODY MECHANICS: TRILOBITE [1:04]
* XENOMORPHOLOGY: THE DEACON [1:20]
* CONSTRICTIVE CONSTRUCTION [1:55]
* CHAIR FETISH [3:53]
* ONE DAY IN AFRICA [1:47]
* LOCATION: ICELAND [3:24]
* THE ART OF TERRAFORMING [1:29]
* BATTLE OF THE PLANETS: LV-223 VS. LV-426 [3:07]
* ALL THINGS HOLOGRAPHIC [6:00]
* WEYLAND'S WET DREAM [2:31]
* THE CASE OF THE FANFIC FAKE [2:24]
* MERGING RIDLEYVERSES [0:58]
* GIGERESQUE [3:46]

- PRE-VISUALIZATIONS:
* PROLOGUE [3:57]
* DISCOVERING THE PLANET [1:03]
* MED-POD SEQUENCE: PG-13 VERSION [4:11]
* MED-POD SEQUENCE: R VERSION [4:08]
* AWAKING THE ENGINEER [6:26]
* PROMETHEUS VS. JUGGERNAUT [4:40]

- SCREEN TESTS:
* NOOMI RAPACE SCREEN TEST [9:29]
* HAIR/MAKEUP/COSTUME SCREEN TEST [10:58]
* COSTUME/MAKE-UP/HAIR TEST WITH OPTIONAL COMMENTARY BY THE CAST - 18 MARCH 2011-PINEWOOD STUDIOS [10:58]

- PROMETHEUS UNBOUND: POST-PRODUCTION AND RELEASE [29:26]

- CHARLIZE ON VICKERS [1:15]
- LOGAN ON HOLLOWAY [1:10]
- NOOMI RAPACE ON SHAW [1:31]
- SHAW [1:15]

- THE STORY:
* CREATION [3:11]
* INTERNATIONAL CREATION [3:11]

- PETER WEYLAND FILES:
* VIRAL VIDEO: QUIET EYE: ELIZABETH SHAW [2:23]
* VIRAL VIDEO: PROMETHEUS TRANSMISSION [6:44]
* VIRAL VIDEO: HAPPY BIRTHDAY DAVID [2:15]
* VIRAL VIDEO: TED CONFERENCE 2023 [6:34]

- REVERSE ENGINEERING:
*USCSS PROMETHEUS [15:36]

- UNDER THE PYRAMID - LV-223 [23:32]

- TIME-LAPSE SEQUENCE: JUGGERNAUT [1:44]
- TIME-LAPSE SEQUENCE: JUGGERNAUT WITH OPTIONAL COMMENTARY BY PRODUCTION DESIGNER ARTHUR MAX [1:44]

- TV SPOT: TRAILER ANNOUNCEMENT [0:19]

- SPACE TRAVEL [2:12]

- ITUNES "TOMORROW" [0:29]
- I TUNES "2 DAYS" [0:29]
- ITUNES "3 DAYS [0:29]

- INT'L TRAILER E CUTDOWN SOFT [0:57]

- VISION OF PROMETHEUS [2:17]

- FIRST LOOK [11:31]

- ALTERNATE AND DELETED SCENES: [34:54]
* ARRIVAL OF THE ENGINEERS [2:31]
* T'IS THE SEASON [0:58]
* OUR FIRST ALIEN [0:42]
* SKIN [0:42]
* WE'RE NOT ALONE ANYMORE [1:22]
* STRANGE BEDFELLOWS [2:57]
* HOLLOWAY HUNGOVER [1:25]
* DAVID'S OBJECTIVE [0:23]
* JANEK FILLS VICKERS IN [3:27]
* A KING HAS HIS REIGN [3:40]
* FIFIELD ATTACKS [2:01]
* THE ENGINEER SPEAKS [4:06]
* FINAL BATTLE [5:30]
* PARADISE [5:05]

- TV SPOTS:
* INT'L INVITATION [0:57]
* INT'L STORY/EVENT P/S ALT [0:29]
* STORY/YOUNG MALE/B [0:28]
* 21TRAILER CUTDOWN [0:28]
* STAR/VICKERS 15 [0:14]
* STARA/DAVID 15 [0:14]
* STAR/ACTION/COMBO 15 [0:14]
* STAR/THOUSANDS 15 [0:14]
* INT'L ARRIVED [0:28]
* INT'L EXPLAIN [0:28]
* STORY/EVENT P/S [0:28]
* INT'L AGENDA [0:28]
* INT'L STARA MAP HARD [0:28]
* INT'L FEEL [0:28]
* INT'L EXTINCTION [0:28]
* INT'L STAR MAP SOFTER RS [0:28]
* INT'L STORY CHARACTER SOFT RS [0:28]
* INT'L STAR MAP SOFT OZ [0:28]
* INT'L STORY CHARACTER OZ [0:28]
* INT'L STAR MAP SOFT [0:28]
* INT'L STORY CHARACTER S/B [0:28]
* INT'L TRAILER E CUTDOWN [0:57]
* INT'L POST TRAILER [0:19]

- A FILM THIRTY YEARS IN THE MAKING [1:33]

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 17/8/2012 4:51:02 AM   
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Any idea what the DVD will have as extras?

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 17/8/2012 1:30:52 PM   
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animated menus and scene selection!

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 17/8/2012 1:36:43 PM   
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RE: PROMETHEUS - 18/8/2012 12:05:59 PM   
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animated menus and scene selection!


Probably true

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 18/8/2012 7:43:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gimli The Dwarf


quote:

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animated menus and scene selection!


Probably true


I agree. I've noticed them doing that more often now - the blu rar is stuffed with extra's whilst the DVD has just an animated menu and scene selection! I think its quite clear that the distributor's want everyone to shell out for the (more expensive) blu ray. But with me, and i'm sure others feel the same too - I just cannot let go of the DVD's!

I've bought a blu ray player but not too many blu ray movies. One reason why - kids!

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 18/8/2012 8:29:10 PM   
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How Prometheus should have ended...

http://youtu.be/JLbcZggwVCw

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 18/8/2012 11:08:22 PM   
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How Prometheus should have ended...

http://youtu.be/JLbcZggwVCw


That's better than Prometheus.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 18/8/2012 11:13:05 PM   
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I suspect that ending was what would have happened when it was a strict Alien Prequel.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 19/8/2012 1:37:51 AM   
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How Prometheus should have ended...

http://youtu.be/JLbcZggwVCw


lol! Awesome!

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 19/8/2012 2:18:54 AM   
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RE: PROMETHEUS - 19/8/2012 9:59:37 AM   
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The Claw


ha ha! I know! I cracked up too! Not to mention Mr. Weyland's cameo!

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 19/8/2012 11:11:49 AM   
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All of the HISHE videos are hilarious. Prometheus and Assassin's Creed are probably the funniest so far, but any with Batman and Superman showing up in the cafe is priceless

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 19/8/2012 11:13:39 AM   
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They are the same. And it is pretty easy to work out how it functions.

To quote David - "Sometimes in order to create you must first destroy".

quote:

Holloway gets only a tiny amount, and thus the breakdown of his DNA takes longer - but I have no doubt he would have have turned into the same gloop that the SJ was in the opening.


Actually they're different. For a start they look different. The substance as seen in the opening is black and speckled with gold whereas the Ampule room substance is a solid black.

Opening Goo:


Ampule Room Goo:


In a recent cinefax article it is quoted that the reason Holloway sacrifices himself not because he's being deconstructed but because he's mutating and is terrified of what he'll become. Much like what happens to Fifield (pictured below) who was intended to originally look far more Alien in appearance according to behind the scenes stills and deleted scene shots. Also, Holloway's infection sees him riddled with parasitic organisms (the creature in his eye resemble the sperm-like creature found in Shaw's stomach) whereas we see no such activity when the Engineer consumes the black/gold substance.


The alternate Xeno-Hybrid Fifield creature cut from the film

The ampule room substance is a weapon, turning it's hosts into Alien hybrids capable of spreading the alien seed (implying that the creature both Holloway and Fifield were mutating into was a grotesque Xenomorph rape monster). The worms too have mutated into Xeno-hybrids (facehugger resemblance, acid blood) and though we are unfortunately denied the chance to see if they have the same reproductive abilities to pass on an alien seed, I believe the imagery certainly suggests it. Not only does the hammerpede act in a similar way to the facehugger (by forcing itself into it's victim's throats (ie. the only visible orifice)) but like the facehugger it resembles both female and male genitalia, suggesting an ability to reproduce. If we would have been given the time to examine Milburn's corpse we may have seen more solid evidence beyond creature design, but the film unfortunately decides to keep that cat in the locker until Shaw's "child-birth". A dud choice in my opinion.



I would indeed argue that both substances are derived from the same source given the way in which they work but the end game results in different beasts (literrally in the case of the ampule goo). It's also my opinion that the ampule room substance is derived from experimentation with the Xenomorph, hence the xenomorph murals that decorate the walls and ceiling (which include Alien hands holding a xenomorph egg and facehuggers). The Engineers have succeeded in doing what Weyland Yutani have wanted to since Alien 3, turn the Alien into a weapon. But like WY's attempts in those films, it appears that the creature turned on it's makers.

The Black/Gold substance creates, the Black substance destroys albiet through monstrous mutation.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 20/8/2012 11:56:33 AM   
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Nicely put! Pretty much the theory I was going with.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 20/8/2012 12:07:12 PM   
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I think we are on the same page - the material deconstructs, and then reconstructs. Maybe it has been weaponised - this would fit in with another idea I had about the film -that there are two groups of SJ. The ones that give life at the start, and the ones who destroy life at the end.

The sequel is called Paradise....Paradise Lost was about fallen angels. I think it all fits together.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 20/8/2012 12:08:28 PM   
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As for the xenomorph - I bet that it is in fact their "God" and all this work has been towards recreating God.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 20/8/2012 2:18:03 PM   
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As for the xenomorph - I bet that it is in fact their "God" and all this work has been towards recreating God.


Don't the Sjs share the same DNA as us? Are humans required to create Xenomorphs? I know that the mixture of Goo sperm in a female creating a giant face hugger which impregnates a SJ resutled in the Xenomorph in the film but..I dunno.

I read the Xeonmorph in the Mural room as a warning of what can come with misuse of the Goo.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 20/8/2012 3:09:01 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

As for the xenomorph - I bet that it is in fact their "God" and all this work has been towards recreating God.


Don't the Sjs share the same DNA as us? Are humans required to create Xenomorphs? I know that the mixture of Goo sperm in a female creating a giant face hugger which impregnates a SJ resutled in the Xenomorph in the film but..I dunno.

I read the Xeonmorph in the Mural room as a warning of what can come with misuse of the Goo.


It looked more like an alter to me - the Jesus pose it had. Felt very religous in nature. Wouldn't that be a mind blowing thing - they travel and meet god...and it is a xeno in its most pure form.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 20/8/2012 5:41:28 PM   
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Yeah, I do think we're on very similar pages but just differ on the specifics.

I see the xenomorph as the end game of the infection regardless of who it touches (human, worm or Engineer). After all the three other sarcophagus chambers in the Jockey room appear to have holes in them similar to that found in the chest of the fossilised Space Jockey in Alien; burst open from the inside. It's why I see Prometheus' end note as kind of a failure. This new bread of weaponised xeno was built up as the big bad we see the Engineer's fleeing from, and it is only given about 30 seconds worth of screen time.

I really hope the sequel explores grounds as to what the Alien is in regards to the Engineer. And if the Engineers are at war with themselves. And who the Engineer's worship (since the Engineers do appear religious in nature and the Xenomorph factors in their worship rituals but to what extent remains a mystery).

The way I see it, the version of Xeno we see in Alien is the creature in it's natural form. The one in Prometheus is a weaponised version.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 20/8/2012 6:28:41 PM   
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The way I see it, the version of Xeno we see in Alien is the creature in it's natural form. The one in Prometheus is a weaponised version.


I think it is the other way around actually - the whole egg thing isn't in this film and that is what makes it a weapon. It can replicate - at the moment there is no life cycle inbuilt into the liquid.


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RE: PROMETHEUS - 22/8/2012 1:44:17 AM   
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But we do not know how the creature seen at the end of Prometheus reproduces. Although it appears to bear some resemblance to the original Xenomorphs life cycle, though in a much rougher way (creatures implanting hosts with parasitic organisms that they then "birth" in some form), I imagine we may see a somewhat twisted version of the egg laying cycle if Scott chooses to explore the Deacon in it's adulthood.

With the information that's available I still side with the black-goo being a bio-weapon version of the creature (hence the facility) and the more organic natural looking life cycle of egg laying being the natural state, especially considering that there is prominent Alien egg and facehugger symbolism in the murals surrounding the black-goo ampules, suggesting to me that the eggs pre date this experimentation.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 22/8/2012 12:51:36 PM   
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I would also take into account Scott's comments about the SJ ship in Alien as being a battleship carrying the eggs as "weapons".

It seems to me that the ship likely crashed in that 2,000 year period where something happened at the base. My guess is the xenos were around - but not recorded in the footage. The green gloop that David finds strikes me as hint towards this.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 22/8/2012 2:32:00 PM   
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I do think Scott's comments on the SJ ship in Alien being a battleship carrying eggs was the jumping off point that lead to the weaponised ampule version. Just as the Jockey exo-suit was developed later, during the pre-production phase on Prometheus. Plus if the black goo is the result of xenomorph experimentation they would still need to transport the creatures to their stations in their natural state.

I see the ancient outbreak in Prometheus (the green goo on the wall, burst open Engineers etc.) a reference to the bio-weapon xenomorph (the Deacon) we see at the end of Prometheus. I mean those Jockey's were mighty frightened of whatever was chasing them. And something had to burst out of those sarcophaguses. That's why I was upset we didn't have chance to explore the Deacon in it's adulthood. It was built to be the big bad, the end result of the Engineer's bio-weapon goo, and we didn't get chance to see it in action.

This is part of what I love about Prometheus. There are many strong theories on future possibilities and the many places Paradise can go. Although I think Prometheus is heavily flawed I'm still excited to see what landscapes and ideas Scott explores with the sequel. Beforehand I thought the Alien universe was done and dusted.

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 27/8/2012 4:09:45 PM   
OPEN YOUR EYES

 

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DVD extra's

00:03:27:07 (JANEK FILLS VICKERS IN) (DELETED SCENE)

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The highly anticipated deleted scene

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RE: PROMETHEUS - 27/8/2012 10:39:49 PM   
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Some more information on the deleted scenes. There is going to be an alternative opening and an alternative ending?

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=45363.0

I think the alternative ending is a slight extention to what we already got. Some of the story board drawings shows the newborn exiting the escape module.

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