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RE: Scott's finest film since Blade Runner!!! - 28/6/2012 3:29:17 PM   
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I was hoping for a bit more alien sex from this film Promiscuous.




so the huge multi-tentacled space squid raping the space jockey in gloopily graphic detail wasn't enough for you eh? joking aside i wonder if ridley and his writers were inspired by the ending of dan o bannon and moebius's metal hurlant strip "the long tomorrow" which features a not dissimilar sex scene, i mean at least in visual terms i was reminded of it. if so God bless em.

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RE: Scott's finest film since Blade Runner!!! - 28/6/2012 3:30:57 PM   
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H.R...Gagger?

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RE: Scott's finest film since Blade Runner!!! - 28/6/2012 3:48:49 PM   
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H.R...Gagger?


these poor aliens they get no privacy when it comes to their intimate moments together, vickers and janek get it on but its all off-screen, same with elizabeth and holloway, God only knows what david got up to perving over everybodys dreams off camera, but when the aliens finally get it together suddenly its full scale alien porno time, doesnt seem quite fair to me, we should at least see the rest of them get it on, purely for balance you understand, ahem.

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RE: Scott's finest film since Blade Runner!!! - 28/6/2012 7:32:38 PM   
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Alien: Penetration.

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RE: Scott's finest film since Blade Runner!!! - 29/6/2012 12:29:16 AM   
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RE: Scott's finest film since Blade Runner!!! - 29/6/2012 8:57:26 PM   
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Prurethraus...?

(Sorry.)

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RE: Scott's finest film since Blade Runner!!! - 1/7/2012 2:45:21 PM   
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Personally I would have liked Fifield and Milburn to have survived,with them bumbling about the caves where they would be totally oblivious to what is occuring outside.They could have been the 'odd couple in space'....lost potential.

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RE: Scott's finest film since Blade Runner!!! - 2/7/2012 12:21:18 PM   
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What I dont get is this: why, if there are other ships on the planet (presumably also full of bombs), does the Engineer bother going after Shaw when his ship crashes? He could just leg it to another ship and get the fuck out of there.,

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RE: Scott's finest film since Blade Runner!!! - 2/7/2012 1:18:11 PM   
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What I dont get is this: why, if there are other ships on the planet (presumably also full of bombs), does the Engineer bother going after Shaw when his ship crashes? He could just leg it to another ship and get the fuck out of there.,


He could have but humans did just right muck up his first attempt to take off. For all he knew there could have been a weapon capable of destroying other departing ships on the life boat that detached from Prometheus moments before impact. So he probably wanted to ensure there were no humans left to interfere in his mission before he attempted another take off and risked another ship.

Like so much to do with Prometheus, this is just a viewer theory. But it kind of works for me.


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RE: Scott's finest film since Blade Runner!!! - 2/7/2012 1:50:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bennyboy1971

What I dont get is this: why, if there are other ships on the planet (presumably also full of bombs), does the Engineer bother going after Shaw when his ship crashes? He could just leg it to another ship and get the fuck out of there.,


He could have but humans did just right muck up his first attempt to take off. For all he knew there could have been a weapon capable of destroying other departing ships on the life boat that detached from Prometheus moments before impact. So he probably wanted to ensure there were no humans left to interfere in his mission before he attempted another take off and risked another ship.

Like so much to do with Prometheus, this is just a viewer theory. But it kind of works for me.



Kinda works for most,and it makes common sense tbh.
The Engineer was on a guilty revenge mission,once the humans were brushed-off he'll concentrate on his own being.
Fortunetly for Rapaace that scenario never came to fruition.

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RE: Scott's most disappointng film since Robin Hood!!! - 2/7/2012 3:38:48 PM   
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Sorry, nothing else to add (although I am getting a chuckle from the increasingly convoluted explanations for the movie's flaws) - I just had to do something about that "Scott's best film since Blade Runner!!!" subtitle someone jokingly put up.

I assume it was a joke. It was, right? Nobody seriously thinks that surely?

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RE: Scott's most disappointng film since Robin Hood!!! - 3/7/2012 8:38:42 AM   
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Sorry, nothing else to add (although I am getting a chuckle from the increasingly convoluted explanations for the movie's flaws) - I just had to do something about that "Scott's best film since Blade Runner!!!" subtitle someone jokingly put up.

I assume it was a joke. It was, right? Nobody seriously thinks that surely?


Yeah, I agree - it probably is his best film since Blade Runner, He hasn't exactly given the world a stream of masterpieces though, lets face it. Robin Hood? Shite. Gladiator? Shite. GI Jane? Auteur work of genius, clearly.

Alien, Blade Runner, Prometheus - thats a good hit of sci-fi right there.

I do want to say one thing about Prometheus, and thats this - I'm glad its not an Alien film. The first one was great, the second one too, but they increasingly turned into 3D Monster Maze (remember that, ZX81 fans?) with better graphics. At least Prometheus mixes things up and widens out the issues and scope. Tonally, it aims for something different, and on the whole I think it hits more marks than it misses.


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RE: Prometurdus - 5/7/2012 1:56:20 PM   
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Just wanna stamp my boot again on this wriggly filthy cockroach excuse of a movie, and grind the heel hard. Feels satisfying.



with your little wee stampy stompy spider boots presumably. you are a funny one .
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RE: AVP should sue for plagarism. - 7/7/2012 6:08:38 AM   
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Watched Alien vs Predator (extended edition) just to see if it was really as bad as I remembered. And yes, it was, but, sod it - it's better than Prometheus. And has EXACTLY the same story: Gang of (not very professional or good experts who don't know each other) hired by Weyland to go by ship (a ship this time not a space ship) to uncharted place to find archaeologically significant building, full of Aliens, and the people who bought them - Giant humanoids (Predators or The Engineers). It even has Mr Weyland addressing his team in the bowels of the ship, with a Power point presentation, and then one of the 'scientists' takes over and fills us in on some exposition!

There a female lead, "A storm" coming. Funny little cars that take them from the ship to the location, that serve no real purpose. They get lost in the pyramid, there's a power source that gets turned on. Some blokes with machine guns to get killed for no reason, an Alien in cold sleep that gets awakened, a bad guy who becomes a good guy (substitute David for the last Predator).

It's the same bloody film! And we'd already said it was shit!

As a commercials director Scott does what the client and the advertising exec's tell him to do. It's clear that that is all he's done here. A completely lazy, rotten script. Imagine if this had been done by almost any other director? It would just be ignored. This is the Emperors old clothes.

So much beautiful material! So much waste! It's like cutting a diamond, keeping the shit bits, and throwing the lovely shiny bit in the middle away.

Oh, and can someone please make a Sci-Fi movie that doesn't have the Mayan civilisation in it? We've done that one OK?

Ridley, Ridley, Ridley.

Shakes head, walks off.
I'd agree with most of that.Overall very boring and bits and pieces taken from better films.Sci fi is really poor these days.

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RE: Prometurdus - 7/7/2012 6:11:14 AM   
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Very boring film that takes bits and pieces from better films and makes them worse.!

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Action is great, but still a big disapointment - 26/7/2012 9:21:23 AM   
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Prometheus is full of exciting action where everyone needs to survive by any means, but it tries to be like Alien and combine that with Religious meanings and fails miserably.

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Prometheus - 28/7/2012 5:08:19 AM   
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I think it builds tension pretty well, visually it's fantastic, and Michael Fassbinder's performance is brilliant, too.

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Spot on - 28/7/2012 3:50:30 PM   
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I wanted to love this film. I did not. I wanted this review to be way off the mark. It wasn't. Spot on review. Sadly!

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Prometheus (2012) - 6/8/2012 11:09:36 PM   
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Okay, it may not be alien, but it never intended to be. Ridley Scott's return to sci-fi is one of his best films yet. The film never set out to be Alien, it tried to have alien DNA, but tried to be its own story with no connections. Ridley even said that he didn't want to just do another round of the mill alien film. He wanted to explore more the world of Alien, and the space jockeys, he just shows he should never have left the genre he changed in 1978. A classic film, it may not be at the same calaba as Blade Runner, and it may not be Alien, but it certainly gives Aliens a run for its money for the best sequel/prequel in the series!

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RE: Prometheus (2012) - 30/9/2012 10:33:27 AM   
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Just seen it for the first time. I enjoyed it but it had a lot of plot gaps. For example, near the end of the film Elizabeth Shaw's life support informs her she has 30 seconds of oxygen left. She enters the smaller craft, meets the big alien thingy and the bald human/alien thingy. She leaves the craft putting her helmet back on. I'm not 100 percent sure if it's the same helmet she used before but if it is she seems to have an infinite supply of oxygen!

Another big plot gap: Shaw doesn't tell anyone - Peter Weyland included - that she was pregnant, that she removed the alien parasite from her body, that she left it in the medical bay, that she trapped it in the operating chamber. Wouldn't this be of vital importance to the mission? An alien life form on the craft, possibly still alive and worthy of further analysis?! But nope, she doesn't mention it to anyone and the crew go back down to the planet to find out why the bald alien bloke hates humans.

There's also other confusing stuff like how come Charlie Holloway gets infected by a virus and no-one else does? This isn't consistent with the Alien mythology. In the first Alien film the pod opens up and attacks one of the crew. He gets impregnated with the baby alien. However, in Prometheus one of the crew seems to contract some airbourne virus and turns into some freaky looking alien hybrid. No explanation is given and we don't know why he's the only one to get the virus!

Another slight leap of plot credibility is the ship doesn't have any weapons. I understand the ship was an exploration vehicle not a combat vehicle however it did seem slightly strange to think the only way the Prometheus could stop another ship was by smashing into it.

And perhaps the most frustrating aspect of the film is why no explanation is given why the bald alien/human - who we are to assume was 'first generation' human created us, 'second generation' humans, but decided to kill us. We're teased with some dialogue like "I have to know why?" but it felt a bit pointless. The whole film built up to a bit of a pointless conclusion. Some alien created us but then decided to kill us. How bizarre!

And the very first scene when the bald alien gets broken up and falls into the river doesn't seem to make any sense. I don't get why that happened.

Anyway, I enjoyed it but who knows what much of the plot was about. Felt like the screenwriters made it up as they went along.

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RE: Prometheus (2012) - 30/9/2012 10:48:13 AM   
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There's also other confusing stuff like how come Charlie Holloway gets infected by a virus and no-one else does?



David dropped a blob of that black goo in his drink.

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And perhaps the most frustrating aspect of the film is why no explanation is given why the bald alien/human - who we are to assume was 'first generation' human created us, 'second generation' humans, but decided to kill us. We're teased with some dialogue like "I have to know why?" but it felt a bit pointless. The whole film built up to a bit of a pointless conclusion. Some alien created us but then decided to kill us. How bizarre!

And the very first scene when the bald alien gets broken up and falls into the river doesn't seem to make any sense. I don't get why that happened.

Anyway, I enjoyed it but who knows what much of the plot was about. Felt like the screenwriters made it up as they went along.


I think the overall reason for the lack of explanation is because Scott has plans to do a couple of sequels. He said there will be at least two more movies until a direct connection to Alien is made. Prometheus is asking the questions, and the next films - if they're made - will answer them. Hopefully.

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RE: Prometheus (2012) - 5/10/2012 4:09:31 AM   
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Some very interesting ideas and themes, but for me it fell well short of being a decent movie. Really it just ended being a slightly more cerebral 'monsters in space" movie. Plot holes all over the place, some terrible dialogue and acting. And constant stupidity from pretty much every member of the crew. e.g the two douchebags that get scared and run off, getting lost, despite having the latest and greatest in navigational equipment. Then they meet some kind of alien and want to make friends with it. Then the biologist bloke, gets sad so decides to get drunk, no-one ever carries any weapons, just constant stupidity. I really wanted to like it, but I hate stupid shit in movies and unfortunately Prometheus had lots of stupid shit happening that really detracted from what it could have been a great sci-fi movie.And I wasn't really paying much attention, but what was with that big 'freeway' they used? Was that ever explained?

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RE: Prometheus (2012) - 5/10/2012 6:59:32 AM   
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The only thing this film had going for it was its pretty appearance and set design. Everything else was quite boring, with some characterisation akin to AVP, though most of it wasnt bad. Despite the nature of questions raised of "playing god" I wasnt able to give a shit because I couldnt understand what was happening or why. A mess of a film.

What really pissed me off was the human/knobjockey DNA being an exact match.

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RE: Prometheus (2012) - 8/10/2012 8:24:21 PM   
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Just watched the Ridley Scott commentary...

He sheds almost no light on anything and often seems to be merely describing the plot or even just reciting lines.

It's clear that he has little understanding of (or no desire to engage with) the criticisms of the film. At one point he seems to be saying that some executives were questioning him and he told them that he was the director and they should 'fuck off'. Also, people questioning him are often 'fundamentally stupid'.

At another point (describing the scene with the exploding head and sticking needles in random places in the head) he says that because it's sci-fi you can just make stuff up (which is how you end of with films like Battleship - there has to be consistent internal logic).


Some parts of the film, and some of the deleted scenes do hint at the potential for a truly great sci-fi film, but I'm beginning to think that Damon Lindelof may not have been the reason for the failings of Prometheus (as I had previously thought). It's also looking more and more likely that Scott's earlier sci-fi successes may have been flukes.



Edit- Have now listened to the writers commentary (interestingly recorded prior to release). Lindelof is well aware in advance of some of the most-complained about issues but offers good explanations for some of the decisions (even though I disagree with much of what he says). The original script was clearly an Alien Prequel and probably would have been very generic. The commentary is interesting, the film still falls way short of the mark.

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RE: Prometheus (2012) - 9/10/2012 10:37:17 AM   
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Very enjoyable discussion on this (poor) film.
In my experience it didn’t succeed as either an Alien ‘DNA’ film or an original set-piece; a misguided fudge somewhere between the two.
One major question from catching up on this thread (as I’m a relative newbie) is; who is jobloffski ?!
In jobloffski’s world…

• Plot holes become “untold parts of the story” !!!
• The film’s narrative is deliberately incoherent to reflect the “unpredicted” process of scientific discovery !!!
• Nonsensical character attributes/actions are “archetypes representing aspects of human folly writ large” !!!
• And - best of all - the film makes little sense because it’s “very clearly made to make future viewings add what some people feel is missing” !!!

Amazing

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RE: Prometheus (2012) - 9/10/2012 10:57:26 AM   
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Just had my first viewing - this is not a good film, and I'm in no rush to watch it again, DC or not.

All my criticisms have already been mentioned so no point going over old ground too much. The first hour just about held my interest, despite the awful cast of characters, but the second half is total gash.

If it had been made as a completely stand-alone story with all the Alien references changed or removed (i.e. just a sci-fi persual about where we come from) it might have had more going for it - I think the Alien connection damned this certainly in the execution even more so than in the expectation of the fans. Even the new life cycle that we're presented with is garbage with little logic applied.

One of Ridley's most disappointing efforts on every level - it's not even his prettiest film, and it seems that all the effort went into presentation over writing (how many times am I going to write this line when discussing modern blockbusters!) so that's pretty damning.

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RE: Prometheus (2012) - 9/10/2012 12:19:04 PM   
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Very enjoyable discussion on this (poor) film.
In my experience it didn’t succeed as either an Alien ‘DNA’ film or an original set-piece; a misguided fudge somewhere between the two.
One major question from catching up on this thread (as I’m a relative newbie) is; who is jobloffski ?!
In jobloffski’s world…

• Plot holes become “untold parts of the story” !!! currently untold, to be filled in/explained in sequels to a film that raises more questions than it answers, which is quite clearly what I mean, if you read what I wrote AFTER the bit you have quoted out of context
• The film’s narrative is deliberately incoherent to reflect the “unpredicted” process of scientific discovery !!! it's not even that incoherent really, slow build up, shit kicks off as scientists used to being in controlled enviroments lose ALL control of the situation re the discoveries they set out to make. It's not really that unsual for the style of filmmaking/narrative presentation to reflect the content of the film.
• Nonsensical character attributes/actions are “archetypes representing aspects of human folly writ large” !!! As in mythical archetypes, not too much of a stretch to imagine archetypes being used pride, hubris, curiosity, etc, all the downfall of characters in myths. The film is named after a specific myth, that's either for a reason or no reason. Given that Prometheus' punishment for daring to try to be on the same level of the gods is to have his guts ripped open repeatedly and Shaw's 'reward' for her search for answers from the Gods is ripping guts open related, I'd say that's at least one reason to LOOK for answers in a film that at first glance seems mystifying.
• And - best of all - the film makes little sense because it’s “very clearly made to make future viewings add what some people feel is missing” !!! see above and also see Blade Runner. Where in the film does it say Deckard is or isn't a Replicant? You have to be looking for potential pointers and decide for yourself. Excuse me for going into a film made by the Director of Blade Runner, a film famous for hints and nuance, not spelling out it's point too much in your face looking for a puzzle to solve/explore ;-)

Amazing or bullshit, or whatever, but gets me a lot more out of the film




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RE: Prometheus (2012) - 9/10/2012 5:20:09 PM   
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Dire effort from a director who hasn't made a great film since Alien, and a watchable one since Black Hawk Down. I didn't read the previous pages of the thread, but I suspect I'll add nothing new to the discussion of how terribly awful this 'film' is. Actually calling Prometheus a 'film' is akin to calling a car involved in a head-on collision a 'sculpture'.

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RE: Prometheus (2012) - 10/10/2012 4:54:07 PM   
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I didn't manage to catch this in the cinema unfortunately even though I really wanted to but I've just managed to watch it on BR. As a dedicated sci-fi fan I was really looking forward to my to this film...... and.....I'd have to say I'm not sure if some of the people on this thread actually watched the same movie as me but this was really piss poor to be honest. In fact I can't remember being this disappointed with a movie since The Phantom Menace was released.

Poor script
Poor characterisation
Poor acting (apart from Fassbender)
Glaring plot holes you could drive a truck through
None of the important questions are even close to being addressed, let alone answered.

Overall I'd have to agree with the original Empire review except I think 3 stars is being generous. 2 stars from me, one for Fassbender and the other for the special effects department who are the only people who left this film with any dignity intact.

Very poor Ridley, very poor indeed,

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RE: Prometheus (2012) - 10/10/2012 6:43:13 PM   
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I bought the DVD on Monday and have watched the film twice since then. When I first saw it at the cinema, I came away with a slightly empty feeling inside (unlike the engineer), it looked beautiful and touched on some of the subjects that most fans felt would be dealt with, but something was missing. After watching it again, I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it this time around, I feel the plus points out weigh the negatives, and hopefully with a new writer the sequel can tie up all of the loose ends.

AND, having watched it again I think the cesarean scene is a totally perfect antidote to all of the chesbursting scenes post Alien/Aliens. A true sense of fear and suspense, plus awesome musical score to go along with the it.

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