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RE: Prometheus - 19/6/2012 2:55:21 PM   
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He rejected one creation (Vickers) in favour of another (David). In that sense he abandoned her, out of disappointment, and not caring about how it hurts her. And people are 'killed inside' by their parents all the time, and even if there is wealth in a family, it isn't enough if a child feels her father wishes she didn't exist.. But obviously, I'm more inclined to link the father/child/why did you 'make? me stuff with the creators/created on various levels than most.

I'd say the film is very clearly made to make future viewings add what some people feel is missing. The way Vickers glares so angrily at David (the usurper of her father's love) and the potential sting of a mocking parent apparently telling his inferior child 'try harder'. Shaw's hopelessly naive and smiley reaction to the discovery of the cave paintings feels different when you know what she doesn't about where this will lead her, etc. But surprise or not, the reveal of Weyland being her father isn't the entirety of her relationship with her father in the film, she's being kept at arms length from him by the existence of David from the start, and is livid about it, and this is something that has been going on for some time, prior to the mission. That's enough for me regarding that particular story strand for it to function well enough in the film , it might not be enough for others, but guess that's life.

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RE: Prometheus - 19/6/2012 3:16:02 PM   
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Your reasoning is totally sound, but I just don't think the film/script did justice to the idea and handled that aspect/her character poorly. I didn't like her, hate her, or care much about her at all basically - she just came off as a bit of a spoilt brat (if her character was written with a little more empathy, then she may have come across entirely differently). I must stress though that this wasn't a major thing for me, and probably would have been a minor nitpick if the rest of the film stood up, but as it is, it's just another feather on the camel's back...

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RE: So Poor. - 19/6/2012 3:49:14 PM   
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there were Pott holes in the Script.



yeah you ought to get onto the council about that, bloody dangerous if you ask me.

no pott holes where i saw it mind you.
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RE: Prometheus - 19/6/2012 4:27:48 PM   
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RE: Prometheus - 19/6/2012 5:48:15 PM   
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Oh come on Dev. You're defending the indefensible.



I didn't know I was defending Hitler.

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These are scientists who should know better. They didn't even know there was ANY breathable air on the planet, did not do a SINGLE scientific test on the air, did not even look for microbial/bacterial contaminants. It was a stupidly reckless thing to do, wall-buttingly so for a guy who's meant to be scientifically trained. It was a plot device so the actors didn't have to wear helmets throughout the film. A plot device they couldn't even bother to write in in a logically believable manner (say by having their helmets cracked). It's not hard to do even, so the fact they didn't indicates they either didn't care or did it deliberately as some kind of critique on the recklessness and irresponsible nature of scientists (?). That it was stupid though is not up for debate. Even the other characters in the film thought so, until they saw that he didn't die IMMEDIATELY (let's not be at all cautious and wait and see if any problems arise over the course of a few hours). The future is an idiocracy.


But the examination of the air showed that the air could have been breathable and that it was far more breathable than the air on Earth. There proved to be no problem with the air and none proved to be so. It might have been rushed but the point till that moment was made. Jesus, this is like seeing the discussion on The Hurt Locker where it was criticised because the scene where the soldiers in a recon are attacked in the desert was inaccurately portrayed in many ways...

Also, does training to be a scientist include training under a situation where they are left abandoned on an alien ship, exhausted and stressed, while a sandstorm is going on outside billions of fucking light years away from Earth? While they are in an alien spaceship that was meant to be abandoned. The worst fucking extraordinary scenarios imaginable. No, they wouldn't, you don't think when you are doing in that scenario no matter what sort of scientist you are and you wouldn't even think that even if you were a colonial marine. Add the incredible curiosity factor and the whole theme of things going wrong because of being way too curious, and the idiocy makes sense.

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Falling space-ship: again, come on! They knew it was falling towards them. There was a shadow on the ground. They could see the shadow. I shouted it at the screen "RUN SIDEWAYS YOU STUPID FUCKS!"



But other than all the other things mentioned here, that is also forgetting that debris was falling everywhere. Running 90 degrees away from it still meant that they could be hit by debris or the ship itself once it fell to one side, as it almost happened to Shaw. She also just fell by a few centimetres from where the ship was falling and almost miraculously dodged it.


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RE: Prometheus - 19/6/2012 10:55:12 PM   
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As Redlettermedia so eloquently put it, '' Why would anyone volunteer for a mission that they dont know anything about? What if it involved a gang bang? ''.

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RE: Prometheus - 19/6/2012 11:07:41 PM   
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As Redlettermedia so eloquently put it, '' Why would anyone volunteer for a mission that they dont know anything about? What if it involved a gang bang? ''.


Errrrr, money ???????

Gang bang = bonus

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RE: Prometheus - 19/6/2012 11:24:10 PM   
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Gotta love the "well if I was in this life or death situation I would do this....." comments. You see a huge spaceship or whatever falling out of the sky, shit falling all around you, what do you do, stop and look ? how the hell would you or they, have any idea how its going to crash. Answer........... you dont .You run and it its fear/panic that drives you.

"Well thats totally unbelievable, you wouldn't do that at all you would just run to the side" *sitting there in armchair in comfort of living room, weighing up the situation for 20mins after seeing film*................... Yeah. ok !!

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RE: Prometheus - 19/6/2012 11:24:50 PM   
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RE: Prometheus - 20/6/2012 12:14:31 AM   
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Your attempts to explain away the stupid don't make them any the less so I'm afraid. As I have repeatedly said, any one of those would be a stupid thing that COULD be explained away, forgiven, or let slide as a nitpick in order for it not to spoil the experience if only there wasn't so much of it that NEEDED explaining away. In isolation I could maybe just about accept some of these sophist explanations for any one of these problems, but there are so many of them that distract us from discussing the actual film itself that I believe they cannot have all been intentional, but are just what they appear to be - poor writing, plain and simple.

You're welcome to believe otherwise, but I know stupid when I see stupid and I saw a lot of stupid in Prometheus.

@Dirk: Being snarky isn't cool or clever. Unless it's funny. And you aren't. You act like everything I'm saying is completely ridiculous and so utterly nitpicky that it's stupid to even mention them. Not so. These are perfectly legitimate and widely shared complaints about the film. And you also imply that I'm just an idiot sat in an armchair with no clue about how human beings might react to a stressful situation. Which is one hell of a presumption. You also act like you know Lindelof/Scott (and yourself, but not me) do, only on an alien planet in this case, where I'd wager my experience is at least the equal of theirs or yours (i.e. none). In other words my judgement on how believably the people in the film might behave is as valid as anyone else's. Your statement shows a lack of maturity.

If you HAVE an argument, then you can make it without trying to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you. And "of course they act stupid stupid! It's on an alien planet duh!" is NOT an acceptable explanation. :)

@Dev: If she had been hit by falling debris, fair enough, I'd take that (although I'd still call it a random, meaningless death), but she didn't even TRY to dodge (at least not clearly so) and got crushed right in the middle of the falling mass, not the edges, not by debris, and considering she was running for quite some time, it seems more like a damn good shot by the space ship OR a lack of the simplest survival instinct on her part for it to hit her when she had that long to get clear. The length of the shot/run was a huge part of the problem. She had AAAAAGES to change course. If it was more sudden, if it even LOOKED slightly unavoidable, if she'd clearly changed course and still got hit, you'd hear no complaints (apart from the randomness of it), but she seemed to have all the time in the world and just kept running and running down the length of that shadow...

Again, in isolation, not a film-breaker by any means, but all those feathers sure are heavy...

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RE: Prometheus - 20/6/2012 12:47:29 AM   
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As Redlettermedia so eloquently put it, '' Why would anyone volunteer for a mission that they dont know anything about? What if it involved a gang bang? ''.


Being very well paid tends to do the trick. Gosh, why did those colonial marines accept to go on a mission with no idea on what they might be facing?

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Your attempts to explain away the stupid don't make them any the less so I'm afraid. As I have repeatedly said, any one of those would be a stupid thing that COULD be explained away, forgiven, or let slide as a nitpick in order for it not to spoil the experience if only there wasn't so much of it that NEEDED explaining away. In isolation I could maybe just about accept some of these sophist explanations for any one of these problems, but there are so many of them that distract us from discussing the actual film itself that I believe they cannot have all been intentional, but are just what they appear to be - poor writing, plain and simple.


I don't think, from the way I see it, that it needed further explaining. From the way I saw it, I immediately thought of those being the reasons and that the film needed no further explanation. It wouldn't distract me from discussing the main themes (expectations, relationships between creators and creation, the way people act to such incredible findings) if it wasn't because somebody mentioned those criticisms. For example, I met a person who found the characters of Blade Runner or Ivan's Childhood to be thin at best and absolute voids of character at worst, I argued otherwise and we didn't argue on what greater themes the movies in question were aiming for. I don't see anything sophist, excessive nor overcomplicated about the problems being raised on Prometheus. It doesn't make me right, but I don't think they were in any way, a problem. My real problem lies with how Shaw could have known that the Engineers were going to Earth as I don't really remember the scene where David (the only character who could have known the Engineer's intentions) told Shaw that they were going to Earth with that powerful cargo.

Also, calling somebody as being sophistic can be very snarky as well and as snarky as Dirk was in the last post, it's not really fair to call people for being snarky when you use words like that.


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RE: Prometheus - 20/6/2012 12:58:48 AM   
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I didn't call anyone sophist Dev, I simply said some of the explanations were (my apologies if that distinction wasn't clear) - and in my opinion they are, no matter how firmly held by their proponent (that is they may not be knowingly so). I blame that on Lindelof/Scott, not on the people trying to defend their film. I have no problem arguing against or even mocking someone's argument, but that's not the same as belittling or mocking the person*. So, to reiterate, I wasn't calling anyone here a sophist, but that doesn't mean all arguments are without sophistry. Not all may be and I may be judging too harshly because otherwise "normally stupid" behaviour in isolation might be reasonable. But this much stupid makes the film appear stupid, not just the odd character.

*And I can be guilty of it too on occasion - I won't pretend otherwise. No high horses here, just a call to keep it civilised if we can. :)

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RE: Prometheus - 20/6/2012 1:16:09 AM   
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Your attempts to explain away the stupid don't make them any the less so I'm afraid. As I have repeatedly said, any one of those would be a stupid thing that COULD be explained away, forgiven, or let slide as a nitpick in order for it not to spoil the experience if only there wasn't so much of it that NEEDED explaining away. In isolation I could maybe just about accept some of these sophist explanations for any one of these problems, but there are so many of them that distract us from discussing the actual film itself that I believe they cannot have all been intentional, but are just what they appear to be - poor writing, plain and simple.

You're welcome to believe otherwise, but I know stupid when I see stupid and I saw a lot of stupid in Prometheus.

@Dirk: Being snarky isn't cool or clever. Unless it's funny. And you aren't. You act like everything I'm saying is completely ridiculous and so utterly nitpicky that it's stupid to even mention them. Not so. These are perfectly legitimate and widely shared complaints about the film. And you also imply that I'm just an idiot sat in an armchair with no clue about how human beings might react to a stressful situation. Which is one hell of a presumption. You also act like you know Lindelof/Scott (and yourself, but not me) do, only on an alien planet in this case, where I'd wager my experience is at least the equal of theirs or yours (i.e. none). In other words my judgement on how believably the people in the film might behave is as valid as anyone else's. Your statement shows a lack of maturity.

If you HAVE an argument, then you can make it without trying to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you. And "of course they act stupid stupid! It's on an alien planet duh!" is NOT an acceptable explanation. :)



I dont act like I know how people would react, I can't say how I would react and I dont presume to know how you would react and I don't. My whole point is that none of us know, you might run to the side, you might not, how would you even know ? Sure we can look and say the the ships shaped like this, the shadow was pointing there but for me thats looking at something in hindsight with time, and sound mind. Completely opposite to the situation.
I just accept that they are running. Sideways, backwards, forwards, its irrelevent and in that situation would be totally acceptable to me because they are driven by fear and panic, hence why the "stupidness" of their actions or how believable they are doesnt bother me or take me out of the film.

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RE: Prometheus - 20/6/2012 1:22:15 AM   
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yeah I was being a bit snarky

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RE: Prometheus - 20/6/2012 1:35:00 AM   
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@Dirk: I know what you're saying. Of course panic plays a part and If the run was short, I'd agree, but the danger was so clearly telegraphed, the shot went on so long, they ran such a distance, that it SEEMED so utterly stupid for them NOT to just run in a different direction. That's a problem with the script, the director's interpretation of the scene or just plain stupidity. I suspect the script simply called for her to be crushed by the falling spaceship and the rest was Scott's attempt to make it dramatic. It failed to do that because (a) he failed to make us care enough about her for us to care much, and (b) the shot went on too long and gave US time to see how ridiculous it seemed for her to KEEP RUNNING in the one direction she shouldn't, for like minutes it seemed, and simply could not change direction, even when that shadow was getting bigger and bigger...

It could simply be that simple storytelling flaw that makes that scene stand out as yet another moment of true stupid rather than simple panic, or it could just be laziness and they just said "yeah, we'll have the ship fall on her" and didn't think about it much more than how to make it look 'cool', which I suspect is the case.

Edit: And anyway, don't you think death by panic was a rather pointless, undramatic, wasteful way to dispatch the character, making all that vague abandoned progeny nonsense moot? All 'nitpicking' about the actual mechanics of her death aside, it felt cheap and throwaway, and ultimately made her character no more than just another red shirt. Now, if they had Weyland somehow be the agent of her death, directly or through his agent - and her 'replacement' - David, then it might have had a bit more, I don't know, thematic weight?

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RE: Prometheus - 20/6/2012 1:41:25 AM   
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I didn't call anyone sophist Dev, I simply said some of the explanations were (my apologies if that distinction wasn't clear) - and in my opinion they are, no matter how firmly held by their proponent (that is they may not be knowingly so). I blame that on Lindelof/Scott, not on the people trying to defend their film. I have no problem arguing against or even mocking someone's argument, but that's not the same as belittling or mocking the person*. So, to reiterate, I wasn't calling anyone here a sophist, but that doesn't mean all arguments are without sophistry. Not all may be and I may be judging too harshly because otherwise "normally stupid" behaviour in isolation might be reasonable. But this much stupid makes the film appear stupid, not just the odd character.

*And I can be guilty of it too on occasion - I won't pretend otherwise. No high horses here, just a call to keep it civilised if we can. :)


Fair enough, I thought there was only two acts which would be outright foolish in the film (the whole venture was both ballsy and rather reckless, but there's been more incredibly dangerous and reckless space ventures in recent history ) and all made sense in the situation in which they happened. It's not normal stoopid, but foolishness which could have happened and due to the circumstances, it wasn't such an extraordinary thing that they happened.

But yeah, anyways...

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RE: Prometheus - 20/6/2012 2:25:43 AM   
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As Redlettermedia so eloquently put it, '' Why would anyone volunteer for a mission that they dont know anything about? What if it involved a gang bang? ''.


You do realise they were kidding and gave the film a positive review in the end?

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RE: Prometheus - 20/6/2012 8:05:12 AM   
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I cant remember for sure, but wasn't the guy who was fascinated by and stroked the alien snake thing smoking pot moments earlier?


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RE: Prometheus - 20/6/2012 10:11:40 AM   
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Another thing and perhaps any of you nuclear physicists out there can clear this up. The Prometheus had 4 nuclear powered ion plasma engines, according to those diagrams released before the film came out. Surely the 4 of these would have to contain nuclear cores, or reactors right? When the ship collides with the ascending Jugernaught it understanably explodes and the Jugernaught comes crashing back to the surface in pretty good condition, all things considered.

Right, so thatís 4 nuclear powered engines going critical at the same time right. Surely that explosion would have been absolutely HUGE!!!! Not only wiping the Jugernaught from existence in a micro second but also completely wiping out Vickers, Shaw and every structure in that valley. They werenít that high when the collision took place after all.


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RE: Prometheus - 20/6/2012 11:46:04 AM   
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Um, thermonuclear explosion only if you overload the core, rather then just hit a reactor with a hammer or something? Were the engines heading for critical mass or just accelerating the ship to 'ramming speed'?

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RE: Prometheus - 20/6/2012 12:13:13 PM   
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Um, thermonuclear explosion only if you overload the core, rather then just hit a reactor with a hammer or something? Were the engines heading for critical mass or just accelerating the ship to 'ramming speed'?


Think youíre right. They just seemed to be concerned with ramming into it. Suppose they didnít really have much time to do anything else did they. Was a spur of the moment paniced action.

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RE: Oh dear! - 22/6/2012 6:52:44 AM   
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Daughters had advised me of the viral nature of the ballyhoo surrounding this film. I had seen Alien when it originally came out and also Bladerunner and was highly impressed by both. BUT when we went to see Prometheus we had expected to be underwhelmed and we we not disappointed. The hard core astronautics was a trifle passe and frankly who would go to an alien world and land without parking the getaway vehicle in orbit(as in the first Alien film). All other aspects including loose ends,unappealing characters, etc were covered perfectly by Empires's excellent review.A couple of my furhter gripes-
1.The 3D added very little to the action.
2.The opening scene with the Engineer "reinventing" himself was very puzzling.
Give me "2001" any time for a true sense of man's destiny.
This could have been such a great movie and by making it longer to develop ideas,characters etc would,strangely, have improved it.


On point 2 above - why is puzzling? It shows that the alien black goo basically fuses with whatever its host's DNA is to produce a new lifeform. Same as we see later on with the little worms in the giant head room turning into those snake things when the black goo gets released, which then turns that scientist into a weird monster, then Shaw's 'baby', the Engineer giving life to the zenomorph, etc. Basically, the stuff is uncontrollable - despite the engineer's attempts to do so, it overruns them. Our creators are therefore revealed to be massively ambitious, playing at being gods, their motives obscured and their follies ultimately misguided, sealing their own doom. Quite apt really.
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RE: Oh dear! - 22/6/2012 2:58:44 PM   
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Daughters had advised me of the viral nature of the ballyhoo surrounding this film. I had seen Alien when it originally came out and also Bladerunner and was highly impressed by both. BUT when we went to see Prometheus we had expected to be underwhelmed and we we not disappointed. The hard core astronautics was a trifle passe and frankly who would go to an alien world and land without parking the getaway vehicle in orbit(as in the first Alien film). All other aspects including loose ends,unappealing characters, etc were covered perfectly by Empires's excellent review.A couple of my furhter gripes-
1.The 3D added very little to the action.
2.The opening scene with the Engineer "reinventing" himself was very puzzling.
Give me "2001" any time for a true sense of man's destiny.
This could have been such a great movie and by making it longer to develop ideas,characters etc would,strangely, have improved it.


On point 2 above - why is puzzling? It shows that the alien black goo basically fuses with whatever its host's DNA is to produce a new lifeform. Same as we see later on with the little worms in the giant head room turning into those snake things when the black goo gets released, which then turns that scientist into a weird monster, then Shaw's 'baby', the Engineer giving life to the zenomorph, etc. Basically, the stuff is uncontrollable - despite the engineer's attempts to do so, it overruns them. Our creators are therefore revealed to be massively ambitious, playing at being gods, their motives obscured and their follies ultimately misguided, sealing their own doom. Quite apt really.



Could perhaps be considered puzzling for some because the effect of the goo differs throughout the film. The engineer in the opening scene is essentially stripped back to his base elements, allowing life to evolve and flourish anew. The goo breaks him down to almost nothing. But for some reason it doesnít kill the creatures it comes into contact with later in the film. These just mutate into pretty generic sci fi monsters. Nasty worms and space zombie with a massive head. Might be a different strain of the goo... might not. Weíll never know probably but it could definitely be called confusing.

Perhaps itís because he ingests the liquid and the others merely get it on their skin... again, probably never know. And I suppose Holloway was breaking down at a much slower rate as it was a much smaller dose than the SJ in the opening.

On a different note...

Look at the size if that bloody Xeno infant when it comes out of the Jockey! Itís HUGE!!!! Would have killed him way before itís birth... he was like a flesh suit for that thing as it was almost his size when it came out. Worst scene of the film for me, as it was so cheap and unnecessary. Made all their comments trying to distant it from Alien look rather pathetic too. When Scott mentioned the last 8 minutes would make you realise the connection, who on Earth didnít guess it would be a chest burster scene.

But again, I rather enjoyed the film. Itís just holier than bread and wine round the Popes place! No getting away from that in its current edit.


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RE: Oh dear! - 22/6/2012 9:43:10 PM   
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RE: Oh dear! - 22/6/2012 11:44:47 PM   
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Im glad someone picked up on her death scene, honestly the only thing that rele bugged me with this film.
(spoiler) Whilst rapace casually rolls away, Theron continues to run in its path instead of running away from where it would fall.
She did a good job at escaping only to die straight after in such a stupid way.

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RE: Prometheus - 23/6/2012 1:46:38 PM   
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I have to say this film was a major disappointment. Heres a great article that makes the case perfectly. I really hope he stays away from Blade Runner!!

http://whatculture.com/film/prometheus-20-blunders-that-ruined-the-film.php

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RE: Oh dear! - 23/6/2012 7:00:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: trainedasninja

Im glad someone picked up on her death scene, honestly the only thing that rele bugged me with this film.
(spoiler) Whilst rapace casually rolls away, Theron continues to run in its path instead of running away from where it would fall.
She did a good job at escaping only to die straight after in such a stupid way.


we didn't actually see her die at all. i believe she is returning in the sequel.

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RE: AWFUL REVIEW!!! STUNNING FILM!!! - 24/6/2012 1:06:06 PM   
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I think the reason it was called Prometheus and not Alien: Prometheus (or Alien Begins or Alien Royale or some shit like that) was part of the same clever marketing strategy which had Ridley Scott deliberately hedge as to whether this was an Alien prequel at all.

Fox knew that us fanboys/saddoes would go see it anyway. By deliberately distancing Prometheus from the Alien franchise in ALL the publicity, they clearly hoped to attract a broader audience of, well, normal people. Of course it's an Alien prequel! Just not one not aimed exclusively at audiences necessarily familiar with the originals. A smart move if you ask me.
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RE: Oh dear! - 24/6/2012 1:45:23 PM   
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On a different note...

Look at the size if that bloody Xeno infant when it comes out of the Jockey! Itís HUGE!!!! Would have killed him way before itís birth... he was like a flesh suit for that thing as it was almost his size when it came out. Worst scene of the film for me, as it was so cheap and unnecessary. Made all their comments trying to distant it from Alien look rather pathetic too. When Scott mentioned the last 8 minutes would make you realise the connection, who on Earth didnít guess it would be a chest burster scene.




Until I saw the film I genuinely thought the connection that Scott was talking about would be much more subtle. I thought the film had ended with Shaw blasting off and it would have been better off like that.

Agree about the size discrepancy - stupid. It looks like they made it a full sized Xeno because there's a chance that if they made it a normal size chestburster the punters might not make the connection. Obviously designed to make people rush out and tell their friends about the final 'twist' ending but actually tarnished the film.

The last scene really annoyed me. If anything that film it most made Prometheus connect to was AVP (almost identical final scene) and it stinks of Fox interference.

IF there is a director's cut (although I've read that Scott said it would be deleted scenes on DVD only) that scene should be removed.

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RE: Prometheus - 24/6/2012 5:46:20 PM   
makins

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kurtangleuk

I have to say this film was a major disappointment. Heres a great article that makes the case perfectly. I really hope he stays away from Blade Runner!!

http://whatculture.com/film/prometheus-20-blunders-that-ruined-the-film.php



god what an absolutely shite article. these films are full of scientific inaccuracies its sci fi for christs sake not sci fact.

you want scientific implausible in an alien film try holding your breath for the same amount of time as the characters in the underwater chase in resurrection. indeed the idea central to these films that the creatures have acid blood is complete scientific bollocks but nobody moans about that or writes endless fucking lists on why the film ruined their life , dan o banno n needed a way of making the creature invulnerable and it was ron cobb who eventually came up with the idea of acid for blood, even dan admitted it made absolutely no sense whatsoever, it just got them out of a hole in reagards to why they couldn;t just shoot the thing or blow it up . i think if youre going to complain endlessly about a film because you didn't understand it or because characters in horror films do stupid things or because you wanted answers handed you on a plate and didn't get them or because the baby at the end was too fucking big, jeez maybe you should take up something less taxing for your poor brains.

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