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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 7:19:51 PM

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I fully admit to not giving a shit either way about piracy, but given that Darth Silas did indeed admit to watching a pirate film

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For what its worth,the sound and image quality of the copy i watched was of very high quality.I usually dont watch pirate versions of films,but a mate of mine had it and offered it to me so i thought what the hell.

The issue of if Cool Breeze and Darth Silas really are the same person is kind of important now. Because if they are, then it's pretty much evidence that Cool Breeze is just trying to troll this thread. Because if he's admitting to thinking "why the hell not" when it came to watching a pirate in one thread, and then saying stuff like this

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5) To illegally download films/tv shows/music is the act of someone who doesnt have much moral value, patience, or self worth in my opinion and doesnt speak well of them.I would rather not be like them.

surely that is someone trying to troll by attacking others for behaviour he himself has indulged in?

If they're not, I'm sure he'd welcome the chance to have his name cleared. Mods?

What if Darth Silas and Cool Breeze are (admittedly somewhat similar) multiple personalities that post separately? Didn't think of that, did you.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 7:22:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: rawlinson

I fully admit to not giving a shit either way about piracy, but given that Darth Silas did indeed admit to watching a pirate film

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ORIGINAL: darth silas

For what its worth,the sound and image quality of the copy i watched was of very high quality.I usually dont watch pirate versions of films,but a mate of mine had it and offered it to me so i thought what the hell.

The issue of if Cool Breeze and Darth Silas really are the same person is kind of important now. Because if they are, then it's pretty much evidence that Cool Breeze is just trying to troll this thread. Because if he's admitting to thinking "why the hell not" when it came to watching a pirate in one thread, and then saying stuff like this

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5) To illegally download films/tv shows/music is the act of someone who doesnt have much moral value, patience, or self worth in my opinion and doesnt speak well of them.I would rather not be like them.

surely that is someone trying to troll by attacking others for behaviour he himself has indulged in?

If they're not, I'm sure he'd welcome the chance to have his name cleared. Mods?

What if Darth Silas and Cool Breeze are (admittedly somewhat similar) multiple personalities that post separately? Didn't think of that, did you.

It'd make a great film. I'm seeing Daniel Craig in multiple roles.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 7:24:04 PM

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And each personality fragment has a different hair colour. Cool Breeze's evil, piracy-loving Darth Silas persona has black hair of course.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 7:27:53 PM

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I wonder if there's room for a Roger Moore cameo as a spiritual advisor? Then in a cruel third act twist he can pull off his rubber face mask to reveal Daniel Craig underneath.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 7:32:41 PM

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One good thing that HAS come out of Piracy is very short release windows between cinema and DVD releases.So one clear winner is the paying consumer.Four months is the maximum wait time now.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 7:36:33 PM

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I wonder if there's room for a Roger Moore cameo as a spiritual advisor? Then in a cruel third act twist he can pull off his rubber face mask to reveal Daniel Craig underneath.

His dialogue can be dubbed over with Sean Connery reading the lines. Would be amazingly disconcerting.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 7:41:52 PM

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The closest iv ever come to '' pirating a film '' was by watching a Bond movie on youtube once.As someone else said earlier its not illegal downloading cos its youtube which is public and i didnt upload it.

For the record, im getting tired of being compared to a previous user and find it offensive so hows bout staying on topic? Any more derailing of a thread like this will be reported to mods.

Streaming something which has been uploaded by someone other than the copyright owner is legally pretty much the same thing. As far as I know - someone activate the DPP siganal.

Why would you be offended to be compared to someone whose opinions and tastes are so clearly in sync with your own? You even have the same birthday you could be twins!

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 7:44:16 PM

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Could we leave the personality and twin stuff aside, please?

For the record, unless and until Lacuna Inc set up shop on the forum we can't stop anyone knowing who people were in different incarnations. If this knowledge is used to troll it will, and HAS, been dealt with. But when it is a point pertinent to a discussion at hand and a contradictory statement, people are entitled to ask a question. No-one can be forced to answer a question, and no-one gets to troll or abuse another poster in so doing. But they are not trolling just by asking a question or posting a link. Although most people should know when pushing that would cross the line.

If CB does not wish to answer the question that's his prerogative. Just as it is someone else's to look askew at his opinion as a result. Civilly.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 7:47:58 PM

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This thread took a detour into weirdsville about a page back.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 7:56:41 PM

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The closest iv ever come to '' pirating a film '' was by watching a Bond movie on youtube once.As someone else said earlier its not illegal downloading cos its youtube which is public and i didnt upload it.

For the record, im getting tired of being compared to a previous user and find it offensive so hows bout staying on topic? Any more derailing of a thread like this will be reported to mods.

Streaming something which has been uploaded by someone other than the copyright owner is legally pretty much the same thing. As far as I know - someone activate the DPP siganal.

Why would you be offended to be compared to someone whose opinions and tastes are so clearly in sync with your own? You even have the same birthday you could be twins!

It's just unfortunate that Darth quit the forums the same day CB joined (at least going by last post date/join date). This is just like that movie Sliding Doors.

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Could we leave the personality and twin stuff aside, please?

For the record, unless and until Lacuna Inc set up shop on the forum we can't stop anyone knowing who people were in different incarnations. If this knowledge is used to troll it will, and HAS, been dealt with. But when it is a point pertinent to a discussion at hand and a contradictory statement, people are entitled to ask a question. No-one can be forced to answer a question, and no-one gets to troll or abuse another poster in so doing. But they are not trolling just by asking a question or posting a link. Although most people should know when pushing that would cross the line.

If CB does not wish to answer the question that's his prerogative. Just as it is someone else's to look askew at his opinion as a result. Civilly.

I understand your point, but it is really really obviously the same person. As such, it's not even a question of different incarnations, it's just a case of CB saying something that directly contradicts something else he said - I couldn't change my name tomorrow and come on here spouting opposite opinions to what I've posted without being called out on it. Surely a username change is just an aesthetic thing and it's not intended as a witness protection programme? considering how small the forum is.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 8:21:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Olaf

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ORIGINAL: Scruffybobby

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

The closest iv ever come to '' pirating a film '' was by watching a Bond movie on youtube once.As someone else said earlier its not illegal downloading cos its youtube which is public and i didnt upload it.

For the record, im getting tired of being compared to a previous user and find it offensive so hows bout staying on topic? Any more derailing of a thread like this will be reported to mods.

Streaming something which has been uploaded by someone other than the copyright owner is legally pretty much the same thing. As far as I know - someone activate the DPP siganal.

Why would you be offended to be compared to someone whose opinions and tastes are so clearly in sync with your own? You even have the same birthday you could be twins!

It's just unfortunate that Darth quit the forums the same day CB joined (at least going by last post date/join date). This is just like that movie Sliding Doors.

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ORIGINAL: elab49

Could we leave the personality and twin stuff aside, please?

For the record, unless and until Lacuna Inc set up shop on the forum we can't stop anyone knowing who people were in different incarnations. If this knowledge is used to troll it will, and HAS, been dealt with. But when it is a point pertinent to a discussion at hand and a contradictory statement, people are entitled to ask a question. No-one can be forced to answer a question, and no-one gets to troll or abuse another poster in so doing. But they are not trolling just by asking a question or posting a link. Although most people should know when pushing that would cross the line.

If CB does not wish to answer the question that's his prerogative. Just as it is someone else's to look askew at his opinion as a result. Civilly.

I understand your point, but it is really really obviously the same person. As such, it's not even a question of different incarnations, it's just a case of CB saying something that directly contradicts something else he said - I couldn't change my name tomorrow and come on here spouting opposite opinions to what I've posted without being called out on it. Surely a username change is just an aesthetic thing and it's not intended as a witness protection programme? considering how small the forum is.

Is there a reason you're repeating what I just said?

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If this knowledge is used to troll it will, and HAS, been dealt with. But when it is a point pertinent to a discussion at hand and a contradictory statement, people are entitled to ask a question.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 8:28:44 PM

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 9:55:44 PM

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Saw Django on the big screen today. Looked amazing. Not sure I would want my first viewing to be on the PC.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 11:42:35 PM

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I agree with MonsterCat, i opened this thread for the first time right now and its like stumbling upon a treasure trove of er, oddity!

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Saw Django on the big screen today. Looked amazing. Not sure I would want my first viewing to be on the PC.

Same here.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 20/1/2013 1:25:11 PM

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I agree with MonsterCat, i opened this thread for the first time right now and its like stumbling upon a treasure trove of er, oddity!

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Saw Django on the big screen today. Looked amazing. Not sure I would want my first viewing to be on the PC.

Same here.

This is it, and what I have said. But the people who download stuff have low standards and don't care, or have a low income and have no other choice but to suffer through download waits and poor quality.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 20/1/2013 2:11:00 PM

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So I'm just wondering, as someone who's never even downloaded a song, is the general consensus: 'downloading films - bad, downloading telly - okay'? Seems a bit odd.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 20/1/2013 2:45:06 PM

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So I'm just wondering, as someone who's never even downloaded a song, is the general consensus: 'downloading films - bad, downloading telly - okay'? Seems a bit odd.

Legally there's not much of a difference. I think part of that rationale is that a lot of US TV shows are free to air over there but are only available on Pay TV over here which does seem a bit of an unfair disparity. I do think the problem of illegal downloads of TV could be solved by allowing non US viewers to watch stuff like Bones or The Big Bang Theory on official "i-player" type services. They could be funded by advertising targeted to the country you're in. I wouldn't mid that.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 20/1/2013 3:24:21 PM

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This is it, and what I have said. But the people who download stuff have low standards and don't care, or have a low income and have no other choice but to suffer through download waits and poor quality.

This is some of the dumbest stuff on the thread.

Drop back a few pages and check a post I made regarding my download habits. I download illegally on occasion, less so these days, but on occasion I still do. I dont have 'low standards' or a 'low income' and frankly a huge amount of my disposable income is spent on media, be it Blu Ray, music, soundtracks, cinema visits. I visit the cinema at least once a week, these days it is more likely twice a week. Using the example of Avengers and Dark Knight Rises from 2012, I saw those movies at the cinema a total of 6 or 7 times, I own both on Blu, i own TDKR soundtrack and between the theatrical run and home release I downloaded both in full dvd quality, burned to disc and watched on the home cinema system, so never was quality, cost or patience an issue. I dont defend the download, it is a technically illegal act. However, I object to sweeping generalisations about people that do choose to download. You make an assumption that as ive downloaded illegally I am somehow a scumbag, morally bankrupt cunt. I have a perfectly fine set of morals, thank you. There are a number of technically illegal acts I have commited in the past and continue to commit.... Just this last week I drove on several motorways over the speed limit. Technically illegal, but I, and I would assume many, do it everyday. It doesnt mean my morals are out of whack. Thats such a horrid holier than thou attitude that I hate. I wouldnt consider everyone that broke such a law morally bankrupt. I am a huge lover of cinema and o the art of film making, which is why I consume so much of it. So yea, I occasionally illegally download. There are many that will only download, that will never contribute to the industry by visiting the cinema or buying Blu's etc, and i find that sad, but I cant make the leap to suggest these people are wihout morals. There are people that aren big film lovers that accept a lesser quality and dont live fore the cinema experience, and those people now have a cheap and easy way to bypass cinema, save money and do away with waiting for release dates.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 20/1/2013 3:26:00 PM

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That post was cut off before I could finish it, fucks sake. Posting via iPhone sucks dick.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 20/1/2013 3:35:54 PM

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As for a more 'on topic' post, I genuinely don't believe piracy is killing the industry. I havent done any research, but just looking at cinema releases and box office takings, the industry doesn't seem in any kind of decline. Box Office records and opening weekends seem to be broken each Summer. How this actually translates into arses on seats style numbers I dont know, but purely on face value the industry seems to be doing ok. Or rather, the big releases seem to be. I don't know how piracy is impacting smaller releases? I know some films Ive downloaded in the past were because it looked that a UK release wasn't on the cards at any time, Trick R Treat, The Signal and VHS were a couple that spring to mind. All eventually got releases, but were limited and took an age to come around. I downloaded those cos they never looked like getting a release, and maybe the downloads of those smaller releases then impacted on the later, limited release and takings. Again, Ive never read anything concrete with real data that supported the fact that piracy was having any kind of negative impact to the industry. I guess it would make interesting reading, so if anyone has any articles to recommend on the subject, feel free to post some links.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 20/1/2013 3:42:18 PM

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Apropos of that - the Film Specialist at Digital Cinema Media tweeted (without source so I've included who he was) that cinema admissions in 2012 were up 0.5%, that's 172,5m and is the 3rd highest since 1971.

I'd guess that's pertinent to the original query too.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 20/1/2013 5:19:52 PM

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Apropos of that - the Film Specialist at Digital Cinema Media tweeted (without source so I've included who he was) that cinema admissions in 2012 were up 0.5%, that's 172,5m and is the 3rd highest since 1971.

I'd guess that's pertinent to the original query too.

Coupled with ever-increasing ticket prices and the 3D tax, that's not bad going really.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 20/1/2013 5:39:43 PM

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The reason I mentioned lack of source too is because of that - based on admissions rather than income/profit and having to adjust for, particularly, the 3d tax, as you say.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 21/1/2013 12:30:25 AM

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What about the cases where you want to see a film but you don't want the filmmaker to profit from it? Like isn't pirating a Polanski film less immoral than giving him money?

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 21/1/2013 9:50:54 AM

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That post was cut off before I could finish it, fucks sake. Posting via iPhone sucks dick.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 21/1/2013 10:03:31 AM

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What about the cases where you want to see a film but you don't want the filmmaker to profit from it? Like isn't pirating a Polanski film less immoral than giving him money?

But it isnt just one person making the film, is it? It's a huge production crew that are all involved.

The other issue is that people assume one pirate copy/download is equal to a lost ticket sale. Which just isnt really the case. I know plenty of people tht download a lot, but if they didnt have the ability to, they wouldnt go out of their way to see a film at the cinema, they would simply go without. Cost isnt an issue to them, it's more time and the fact that theyre simply not too bothered about the cinema experience. Even if legal downloading was available for big releases on same day/date as a cinema release, they would likely still choose an illegal download too.... For casual movie fans it isnt always an issue of cost or a lack of patience, just a lack of real interest in the industry that leads to casual movie consumption, theyre happy to take it for free as and when its available cos they really dont have an interest in film beyond it killing a few hours in an evening when they have nowt to do. Those types of downloaders will never boost box office takings if/when piracy was not an option.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 21/1/2013 10:17:30 AM

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I never download films, I have an Unlimited Cineworld card so I use it accordingly. Actually, that's a lie I once downloaded MegaShark Vs Giant Octopus for a 'Bad Monster Movie' night at my place.

I often download TV series as I have Virgin and not Sky, and Sky seems to hog all the good stuff. HOWEVER I almost always buy the DVD/Blu Ray boxsets of the stuff that I love. So.... judge me according.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 21/1/2013 10:28:41 AM

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I never download films, I have an Unlimited Cineworld card so I use it accordingly. Actually, that's a lie I once downloaded MegaShark Vs Giant Octopus for a 'Bad Monster Movie' night at my place.

I often download TV series as I have Virgin and not Sky, and Sky seems to hog all the good stuff. HOWEVER I almost always buy the DVD/Blu Ray boxsets of the stuff that I love. So.... judge me according.

I too have a Cineworld Card, it's crazy how much value I get from it! I also spend money on food/drink, even moreso these days as there is now Starbucks in Cineworld meanin I can have a decent coffee. Cineworld Sheffield also seem very chilled about taking in your own food - I do it often - as Ive seen people taking in Subways and Burge King to screenings. The Dark Knight double bill lat Summer had people with fucking pizza for Christ sake! I also spend far morw than i should on Blu's, and have recently taken the leap into home 3D. I have a Love Film account which i use or rental and streaming too, so its hard to see how I can contribute any more to the film industry. When I download I feel no guilt, yea it is an illeal act of copyright infringement or whatever and I dont try to justify it in any way. I commit an illegal act, end of story. I do object to be called scum or devoid of morals though, as some would try and label all downloaders.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 21/1/2013 10:37:25 AM

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Ah yes, I also have a LoveFilm account which I use with gusto and my DVD collection is expansive.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 21/1/2013 10:53:34 AM

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Ah yes, I also have a LoveFilm account which I use with gusto and my DVD collection is expansive.

I'm actually amazed how much I use LoveFilm.

I initially got it for game rental, cos lets face it gaming is a far more costly pastime than film (Why dont I download copy games? Hmmmm) but I've found that I'm mostly renting Blu Ray's and streaming older films through the PS3 and Smart TV. Streaming of older movies has been particularly good for me.

Going back to game piracy, I wonder why it is that I feel so comfortable downloading movies, but wouldn't really consider downloading games? It's still a simple enough process to download and burn to a disc to then play a copy game on a chipped PS3 or whatever, but for some reason I just don't do it, downloads are limited to film and tv. There are so many games I want to play, but as I say it is, in my view a far more expensive hobby to have than enjoying film at home or the cinema via an Unlimited Card. I dont feel a sense of entitlement for film, games or movies and I am happy to spend cash on all three, so why don't I ever download games? Seems strange that.

I should add that I don't intend to go off downloading games now that the thought occurs.

Also, I'm not sure if it has been cleared up, but is downloading copyrighted material technically classed as theft, or is it some other crime? Also, what are the laws regarding the download of tv shows that are only available on pay tv channels? What about the streaming/downloading of PPV events such as MMA and Boxing? I know loads of people that stream boxing to avoid having to pay the PPV costs via Sky/Virgin etc, is that technically an illegal act due to copyright? What about watching the Premiership games via other broadcasters online, I'm thinking of the channels from Dubai/UAE etc. If I stream those and dont pay, is it the same criminal act as downloading a Blu Ray rip from a torrent site? Or is there a distinction between the two? If there is no distinction and they are the same copywright infringement style crime, what are peoples thoughts on those acts as opposed to the act of downloading a Blu Ray rip?

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