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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 17/1/2013 9:15:18 AM   
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What's everybody's opinions on watching films on Youtube? Just as bad as downloading? Worse? Neutral feelings?

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I watch a lot of films on Youtube it's true. A lot of them are Public Domain films, but there are some really excellent gems uploaded as well. Most of them are taken down pretty swiftly of course, but the point remains.


I don't have a problem doing it. I don't download or make copies of them, and it's not me that's uploaded them.

YouTube isn't exactly underground, either, so if anything goes on there that shouldn't be, it's easy enough for the companies to crack down and get rid. As you say, there's been plenty of films I've added to my watch later list, but it's been took down when I've gone back to it.


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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 17/1/2013 5:27:09 PM   
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How about this for an ethical grey area? I'll buy a £15 per month Cineworld card which would allow me to go to the cinema as often as I liked and then instead of going just download as many films as I want online.

I've got two kids, the youngest being 18 months the eldest five years old.

Through my salary sacrifice scheme I get £20 worth of Vue Cinema vouchers each month. I'd really quite like to go see Les Miserables but we couldn't get a babysitter last week and now Django Unchained is out and I really want to see that. It's hard to fit going to the cinema in especially when if we do go a lot of time it's to see stuff for the kids.

I'm not impatient and I can wait for films to come out on DVD but what I'd really like is a proper service from NetFlix or Lovefilm where I can download what I want when I want. Why not have films available at the cinema as well as at home from release. All the films I went to see at the cinema this year I would still have gone to see had they been available on home release.  Why not release films in every country at the same time?    


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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 17/1/2013 6:58:39 PM   
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How about this for an ethical grey area? I'll buy a £15 per month Cineworld card which would allow me to go to the cinema as often as I liked and then instead of going just download as many films as I want online.

I've got two kids, the youngest being 18 months the eldest five years old.

Through my salary sacrifice scheme I get £20 worth of Vue Cinema vouchers each month. I'd really quite like to go see Les Miserables but we couldn't get a babysitter last week and now Django Unchained is out and I really want to see that. It's hard to fit going to the cinema in especially when if we do go a lot of time it's to see stuff for the kids.

I'm not impatient and I can wait for films to come out on DVD but what I'd really like is a proper service from NetFlix or Lovefilm where I can download what I want when I want. Why not have films available at the cinema as well as at home from release. All the films I went to see at the cinema this year I would still have gone to see had they been available on home release.  Why not release films in every country at the same time?    



Not sure where I am seeing the grey area here. Just because you want to see both, doesn't mean you are entitled to see both.

Now, is there an arguement about how movies are released? Sure. But for the moment this is how the studios want their product to go onto the market.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 17/1/2013 7:12:36 PM   
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If you spend £15 a month on a Cineworld card and see £30 worth of films, are you stealing revenue from those films past the £15 mark?

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 17/1/2013 8:37:26 PM   
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Piracy is a tricky one. I honestly believe a lot of the people downloading films today are a previous generations purchasing at the back of a sweet shop kind of people. The type who either don't have money, or don't care about quality.

It's putting the boots to a lot of small guys. The common argument is that these people wouldn't have made millions anyway. Maybe not. But perhaps the poor bastards could have made their money back on their hard work.It's quite disgusting to think there are hard working people out there being robbed by a bunch of thieving scum bags, and in my opinion the worst ones are the ones who brag about it. I just think they are dirty, disgusting people.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 17/1/2013 8:40:51 PM   
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I really hate this sense of entitlement that people who watched pirated or illegally downloaded copies have, that they have a right to watch/ own something without having to pay what it costs. I despise people like this. If you can't afford it, you don't get it!! Simple as that. By paying what it costs we are allowing the movies we like to continue to thrive. No one can call themself a true lover of film if they go down the illegal download route all the time.


Sense of entitlement - probably better wording than what I used. But yes I agree with your post fully mate.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 17/1/2013 11:11:54 PM   
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If you spend £15 a month on a Cineworld card and see £30 worth of films, are you stealing revenue from those films past the £15 mark?


Nope, it doesn't work like that. For every ticket "bought" using an unlimited card Cineworld pay the distributor an agreed amount of around £3. The whole system works on the basis that for every person who sees more than £15 worth of films there will be another who might only spend around £6 on their card. It balances out, although if it weren't to it would be Cineworld that took the financial hit.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 18/1/2013 9:22:22 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: squeezyrider

How about this for an ethical grey area? I'll buy a £15 per month Cineworld card which would allow me to go to the cinema as often as I liked and then instead of going just download as many films as I want online.

I've got two kids, the youngest being 18 months the eldest five years old.

Through my salary sacrifice scheme I get £20 worth of Vue Cinema vouchers each month. I'd really quite like to go see Les Miserables but we couldn't get a babysitter last week and now Django Unchained is out and I really want to see that. It's hard to fit going to the cinema in especially when if we do go a lot of time it's to see stuff for the kids.

I'm not impatient and I can wait for films to come out on DVD but what I'd really like is a proper service from NetFlix or Lovefilm where I can download what I want when I want. Why not have films available at the cinema as well as at home from release. All the films I went to see at the cinema this year I would still have gone to see had they been available on home release.  Why not release films in every country at the same time?    



Not sure where I am seeing the grey area here. Just because you want to see both, doesn't mean you are entitled to see both.

Now, is there an arguement about how movies are released? Sure. But for the moment this is how the studios want their product to go onto the market.


To be honest the grey area only relates to the first line.

However Batman has answered that question.



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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 18/1/2013 12:13:29 PM   
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If I had a LOLcopter I could travel to all these nearby Cinemas you tell me about! I could see amazing things! at low prices



Wow, a helicopter joke on a day like today. Classy. Typical inconsiderate attitude of the disciples of Cameron's Britain.


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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 18/1/2013 1:10:11 PM   
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Do people draw a line between downloading films and downloading TV?

Once upon a time recording from the telly was frowned upon, but it became prevalent and the norm, and it became accepted.

I know many download US TV - it's not even hidden because there are threads for it. But do they also download films? I have in the past downloaded films, I admit, but almost never now. But TV is another matter. Let me be clear - I'm not justifying it. I could wait until these shows air in the UK. It's an impatience thing. I'm not saying "what I do is OK", but does the fact that "recording from telly" is "ok" mean that downloading TV series is also ok?

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 18/1/2013 1:17:38 PM   
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I don't think there's a difference between downloading a film or downloading 4/5 seasons of an HBO show in the slightest. Same crime.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 18/1/2013 1:18:35 PM   
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I should say that despite my morally righteous posts I have watched the odd flick on Youtube. And I can't remember the last time I've paid for porn.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 18/1/2013 1:32:22 PM   
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I recently watched DUNE on youtube.What a odd film.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 18/1/2013 2:23:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

Do people draw a line between downloading films and downloading TV?

Once upon a time recording from the telly was frowned upon, but it became prevalent and the norm, and it became accepted.

I know many download US TV - it's not even hidden because there are threads for it. But do they also download films? I have in the past downloaded films, I admit, but almost never now. But TV is another matter. Let me be clear - I'm not justifying it. I could wait until these shows air in the UK. It's an impatience thing. I'm not saying "what I do is OK", but does the fact that "recording from telly" is "ok" mean that downloading TV series is also ok?


I'm pretty much in the same place as you Homer. I download TV shows every week.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 18/1/2013 2:27:10 PM   
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I watch TV shows too.

I'd suggest another factor - with the way social media works it's virtually impossible not to be spoiled on TV after first showing.

Some would be rare - Walking Dead with it's close transmission date eg (although I know a lot of people I follow were talking about it after its US showing, even those adamantly opposed to DL for films). But a show that's months, or even seasons behind in the UK?  

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 18/1/2013 2:41:20 PM   
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You say that, but I've managed to avoid finding out the endings of Lost and the Sopranos, which is good, as I'm currently watching The Sopranos.

I may rewatch Lost one day so I can go to the end this time!

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 18/1/2013 2:49:31 PM   
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I didn't say impossible just hard - eg Twitter even trending topics can give things away. And unexpected retweets even if you've tried to deal with it by unfollowing.

Or people just randomly spoilering - of which I'm guilty myself.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 18/1/2013 2:55:21 PM   
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I don't download TV shows, it's annoying having to wait a year a more between seasons of shows I like but I can deal with it. I've got no problem with people who do, it doesn't bother me but having those same people feeling the need to spoil things is what gets on my nerves. Some fool has already spoilt The Walking Dead for me then blamed me for not downloading the episodes "like everyone else".

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 18/1/2013 3:01:25 PM   
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When I was a kid - like most of us did, I'm sure - I used to buy cassette tapes and just fill them up with all my favourite songs on the radio. I was flabbergasted when I was told that technically, that's a crime (I am right in thinking that, yes?)

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 18/1/2013 3:09:14 PM   
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I don't download TV shows, it's annoying having to wait a year a more between seasons of shows I like but I can deal with it. I've got no problem with people who do, it doesn't bother me but having those same people feeling the need to spoil things is what gets on my nerves. Some fool has already spoilt The Walking Dead for me then blamed me for not downloading the episodes "like everyone else".


Technical term - a dick.

And yup - everyone recording the top 40 technically doing a bad thing (although I always assumed that's why they started talking over the start of songs more and more).

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 1:54:53 PM   
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I don't download RV shows for the same quality issues I don't download films. The thought of watching something like, Walking Dead, on some shitty download is just disturbing. I'll watch in glorious HD thank you very much.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 6:12:49 PM   
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I dont download films and tv shows for a few reasons.

1) It is illegal

2) It is stealing and hurts the industry to not pay to watch a movie at the cinema or rent/buy the dvd/blu ray.

3) Id rather watch a big blockbuster like TDKR and Avengers Assemble at the cinema on a giant screen with great surround sound.Not some shitty download on my laptop.

4) Im patient.I dont watch much current tv, but Im a big fan of 30 Rock and its not broadcast on any channel i have but rather than download it, im quite happy to wait for the dvd release.

5) To illegally download films/tv shows/music is the act of someone who doesnt have much moral value, patience, or self worth in my opinion and doesnt speak well of them.I would rather not be like them.

Look at it this way, im really looking forward to Man Of Steel this year.Its not out for another six months or so, if someone offered me a download of the finished movie tonight, id say no cos i want the great cinema experience come summer.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 6:24:58 PM   
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m8, there was a link posted two pages ago where you admitted to pirating a film. Do you really hate yourself this much?

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 6:47:54 PM   
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m8, there was a link posted two pages ago where you admitted to pirating a film. Do you really hate yourself this much?


Perhaps he's the film fan equivalent of a born-again Christian?

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 6:49:38 PM   
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And yup - everyone recording the top 40 technically doing a bad thing (although I always assumed that's why they started talking over the start of songs more and more).


That's exactly why they started doing it.

I've never downloaded any film or programme at all, either legally or illegally. I'm never in that much of a rush to watch something. I attribute it to growing up at a time when films would seemingly be released here a year after America, and then released on VHS a year after that. Teaches a person patience, that

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 6:50:24 PM   
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m8, there was a link posted two pages ago where you admitted to pirating a film. Do you really hate yourself this much?


Im gonna assume by '' m8 '' you are referring to me.

Iv never pirated a film.That link was posted by Rgirvan which was just his usual attempt at trolling.

The closest iv ever come to '' pirating a film '' was by watching a Bond movie on youtube once.As someone else said earlier its not illegal downloading cos its youtube which is public and i didnt upload it.

So to repeat.Iv never illegaly downloaded a film or bought a pirate dvd.I prefer to pay to watch movies at the cinema and rent/buy movies and tv shows on dvd/blu ray.

Dvds are especially cheap now so people who illegally download really have no excuse.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 6:56:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

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ORIGINAL: Olaf

m8, there was a link posted two pages ago where you admitted to pirating a film. Do you really hate yourself this much?


Im gonna assume by '' m8 '' you are referring to me.

Iv never pirated a film.That link was posted by Rgirvan which was just his usual attempt at trolling.


The closest iv ever come to '' pirating a film '' was by watching a Bond movie on youtube once.As someone else said earlier its not illegal downloading cos its youtube which is public and i didnt upload it.

So to repeat.Iv never illegaly downloaded a film.I prefer to pay to watch movies at the cinema and rent/buy movies and tv shows on dvd/blu ray.

Dvds are especially cheap now so people who download really have no excuse


So wait - you're saying that you and Darth Silas (who admitted watching a pirated film) are different people? That's amazing - the two of you are so alike you might as well be the same dude. You should get together you'd be BFFs for life

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 7:05:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

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ORIGINAL: Olaf

m8, there was a link posted two pages ago where you admitted to pirating a film. Do you really hate yourself this much?


Im gonna assume by '' m8 '' you are referring to me.

Iv never pirated a film.That link was posted by Rgirvan which was just his usual attempt at trolling.


The closest iv ever come to '' pirating a film '' was by watching a Bond movie on youtube once.As someone else said earlier its not illegal downloading cos its youtube which is public and i didnt upload it.

So to repeat.Iv never illegaly downloaded a film.I prefer to pay to watch movies at the cinema and rent/buy movies and tv shows on dvd/blu ray.

Dvds are especially cheap now so people who download really have no excuse


So wait - you're saying that you and Darth Silas (who admitted watching a pirated film) are different people? That's amazing - the two of you are so alike you might as well be the same dude. You should get together you'd be BFFs for life


I dont beleive Silas admitted to '' watching a pirate film ''.He admitted to watching a movie through '' alternative means '' whatever that means.For the record, im getting tired of being compared to a previous user and find it offensive so hows bout staying on topic? Any more derailing of a thread like this will be reported to mods.

So anyway... someone at work yesterday said that he was going to watch Django Unchained when he got home.When i asked him why he wouldnt go see it at the cinema, he said its a film that hed like to see but wouldnt go so far as '' to pay a full cinema ticket for it ''.In fairness the guy doesnt do this often and says he wouldnt dream of seeing something like The Hobbit on a laptop and actually has seen it twice at the cinema so far.

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 7:17:54 PM   
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I fully admit to not giving a shit either way about piracy, but given that Darth Silas did indeed admit to watching a pirate film

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For what its worth,the sound and image quality of the copy i watched was of very high quality.I usually dont watch pirate versions of films,but a mate of mine had it and offered it to me so i thought what the hell.



The issue of if Cool Breeze and Darth Silas really are the same person is kind of important now. Because if they are, then it's pretty much evidence that Cool Breeze is just trying to troll this thread. Because if he's admitting to thinking "why the hell not" when it came to watching a pirate in one thread, and then saying stuff like this

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5) To illegally download films/tv shows/music is the act of someone who doesnt have much moral value, patience, or self worth in my opinion and doesnt speak well of them.I would rather not be like them.


surely that is someone trying to troll by attacking others for behaviour he himself has indulged in?

If they're not, I'm sure he'd welcome the chance to have his name cleared. Mods?

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RE: is piracy REALLY killing the film industry? - 19/1/2013 7:18:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Olaf

m8, there was a link posted two pages ago where you admitted to pirating a film. Do you really hate yourself this much?


Perhaps he's the film fan equivalent of a born-again Christian?


Being born again requires an admission of sin and an ensuing plea for repentance (since the New Testament is built on like being forgiven for your sins or whatever). If I switched to Christianity while on death row for murder (I promise this won't happen), I'd be doing it wrong if I said 'man murder is so wrong, anybody who murders someone is totally going to hell I'd never do that wtf man'

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