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The problem is, people would rather just say 'Oh, you downloaded a film, youre a scumbag thief with no respect for film or the industry or the people paid lower wages in the industry and just think of all those lower paid people losing their jobs etc etc'. It felt more like a moral high horse than a real understanding of how piracy actually works and affects the industry.
I'm not really sure how the point your making ties in to the statement that precedes it tbh. I agree with this idea that pirate folk are scummy, but it's nothing to do with a high-horse per se. I mean, isn't it normal to expect to pay for something that comes with a cost?
To wit, what has the moral high-horsery of others got to do with the acts that said high-horsery is apparently reacting to? The act comes first, the reaction to the act is just that, a reaction. To place a blame of condescension on those of us that have some kind of moral objection strikes me as a little bit odd, and a fluffy side argument to the real issue.
Perhaps badly worded by me, or maybe i needed to quote the points I was directly referrin to, but my main two points were;
People have objected to the act of illegal downloading, which is perfectly fine and acceptable and I can accept. However, what i dont accept is the blanket, sweeping g generalisations by some on here that those choosin to download are somehow less intelligent, less concerned with a quality movie industry, and that they then couldnt actually add anything to the discussion about what the impact of piracy actually has on the industry. I have no problem accepting that the act of download is an illegal one. Theft? No. Illegal, yes. Some posters weren't trying to discuss or debate the impact of piracy, more that they were trying to tell us all how much of a great moral example they are to the rest of us.
The other point I was tryig to make, and may have done so badly, was that I'd previously tried to steer the discussion back on topic towards how piray is actually affecting the industry. I asked for info, details, anything and none was really forthcoming. It was just a lot of 'downloaders are scum' type comments. Someone (maybe Ref?) suggested that the people being directly impacted were lower paid people in the industry and the lower paid workers in cinemas. The thing is, the box office returns, arses on seats etc are really really strong. Cinema turnover is really strong in the uk, box office takings are high, no dropping. The film industry appears to be thriving. Points i made earlier was 'show me how it isnt thriving, show me how piracy really is impacting takings, how it is impacting the wardrobe staff etc'.
So, as I say, consider the act of an illegal download wrong by all means, but dont get on some sort of moral high horse and make sweeping generalisation about people you know nothing about (this isnt aimed directly at you by the way, i k ow you discuss this shit like an adult) especially if yourethen going to bow out of the discussion when youre asked questions you cant answer (again, not directed at you, or most people, just a select few) about the subject at hand. Again, I admit to the act and I dont really want to defend it as such, it's an illegal act, end of story. But as a huge consumer and lover of film and all it's component parts, I don believe my a ts have any mind of impact on the industry as a whole. If anything, I'd wager my contribution in cash per month wouldfar outweigh that of many. Again, thats not an excuse to commit an illegal act. I cant be a paramedic and save a bunch of lives, then kick someone to death and say "fuck it, saved ten this week, i can take that one" (does that comparison even work?! Haha it does after a lot of whiskey!). I'm just making the point that, be opposed to illegal downloads, but dont think it gives you any moral high ground to try and talk down to fellow posters.
Hope that makes (more) sense.
Certainly makes more sense, but you spelt 'whisky' wrong. 
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Another point I wanted to make was that after a couple of cinema visits this week, I reckon cinema etiquette might be as big a factor as cost, in terms of driving people away in future (if people are driven away, stats dont seem to suggest it). Some people just really have no idea how to behave in public.
This (unfortunately) is very true.
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