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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:12:43 PM   
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Basically I just want to know what Cliff Richard has ever done

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:16:27 PM   
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Madonna 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfS98KLR6DU

Madonna 2

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:16:43 PM   
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I guess making mediocre music makes you a twat.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:18:44 PM   
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For inflicting her film career and her English accent on an unsuspecting public, Madonna has claims to twattery. Good music though.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:21:17 PM   
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I'll agree she probably should never have decided cinema was a good idea. Though I don't mind Desp Seeking Susan or Evita, that doesn't reaaaaaally make up for the duds.

Its funny how much you'll forgive though if you like someones art essentially. I mean, I don't see David "Nazi Salute" Bowie or John "spastic impressions" Lennon coming up too often in these kind of threads.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:24:30 PM   
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Hence a lot of them appearing here.


So we're not going to be smart and look for a reason why so many of them are like, we're just going to dismiss them all as twats as an empty, bitter, gesture? Cool.


Nope we assess them upon the persona they present to the public (which is often unpleasant) and to quote you "Its all part of exactly that though isn't it - the image?"

We can assess that image and call them such from that image as that is what we see.

To attempt to call them more would require actual access to their lives which we do not have and as such from the evidence and the information we can call them that in the same manner as we would call a bloke at work who acted in a similar manner such. They do not get free rein for their actions simply because of their job as that would be sychophantic.

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John "spastic impressions" Lennon


Don't get me started on that twat.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:25:39 PM   
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Its funny how much you'll forgive though if you like someones art essentially. I mean, I don't see David "Nazi Salute" Bowie or John "spastic impressions" Lennon coming up too often in these kind of threads.


Pretty much this.

I know MC started the cool person thread as a counterbalance to this, but maybe there should be a 'What a talented person and who gives a fuck if they're not always nice' thread as well.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:28:08 PM   
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Anyone who thinks Madonna is a great creative artist needs to read these first.

http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_many_artists_madonna_stole_from.htm

Cracked article #1

http://www.cracked.com/article_19848_7-famous-musicians-who-stole-some-their-biggest-hits_p2.html

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:28:15 PM   
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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:29:40 PM   
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That first link wasn't written by a crazy person.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:33:39 PM   
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And in that Cracked article - Justify My Love was written and produced by Lenny Kravitz.

I also wasn't aware bands weren't allowed to influence and borrow from each other. Is that a new rule?

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:35:47 PM   
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Basically I just want to know what Cliff Richard has ever done


You could argue he looks like a twat in the video for Wired For Sound-



I do like that song tough. And Madonna's Like A Prayer is actually one of my favourite songs of all time.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:35:58 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rhubarb

quote:

ORIGINAL: sanchia

Hence a lot of them appearing here.


So we're not going to be smart and look for a reason why so many of them are like, we're just going to dismiss them all as twats as an empty, bitter, gesture? Cool.


Nope we assess them upon the persona they present to the public (which is often unpleasant) and to quote you "Its all part of exactly that though isn't it - the image?"

We can assess that image and call them such from that image as that is what we see.

To attempt to call them more would require actual access to their lives which we do not have and as such from the evidence and the information we can call them that in the same manner as we would call a bloke at work who acted in a similar manner such. They do not get free rein for their actions simply because of their job as that would be sychophantic.




I'm not saying "lets just forgive them and assume its an image thing", I am saying it would be more interesting to explore why there are so many twats in pop music, if you want to look at it that way. Maybe you need a certain amount of twattish behavior to get into pop music, maybe you have to be a twat in the first place, maybe that kind of person is just drawn to it. But it would be more interesting than "Here is a picture of Elton John, lol what a twat", which is why this thread is one of the worst in ages on Emprie.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:36:24 PM   
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Using links to other people's words to back up your argument. Even I'm not that lazy.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:38:41 PM   
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Basically I just want to know what Cliff Richard has ever done



Una Stubbs?

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:41:16 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Basically I just want to know what Cliff Richard has ever done



Una Stubbs?

I assumed the answer was nobody

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:41:53 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Basically I just want to know what Cliff Richard has ever done



Una Stubbs?


Lucky bastard.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:42:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rhubarb

quote:

ORIGINAL: sanchia

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rhubarb

quote:

ORIGINAL: sanchia

Hence a lot of them appearing here.


So we're not going to be smart and look for a reason why so many of them are like, we're just going to dismiss them all as twats as an empty, bitter, gesture? Cool.


Nope we assess them upon the persona they present to the public (which is often unpleasant) and to quote you "Its all part of exactly that though isn't it - the image?"

We can assess that image and call them such from that image as that is what we see.

To attempt to call them more would require actual access to their lives which we do not have and as such from the evidence and the information we can call them that in the same manner as we would call a bloke at work who acted in a similar manner such. They do not get free rein for their actions simply because of their job as that would be sychophantic.




I'm not saying "lets just forgive them and assume its an image thing", I am saying it would be more interesting to explore why there are so many twats in pop music, if you want to look at it that way. Maybe you need a certain amount of twattish behavior to get into pop music, maybe you have to be a twat in the first place, maybe that kind of person is just drawn to it. But it would be more interesting than "Here is a picture of Elton John, lol what a twat", which is why this thread is one of the worst in ages on Emprie.


I think it's just that thing of fame and fortune being thrown at someone relatively normal and it going to their heads. Bill Murray said that everyone acts like an arsehole for the first two years that they're famous, but some people never get over it.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:44:47 PM   
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I think this one's fair:




I'm not saying Lord Kitchener by the way... well, technically I am actually...

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:44:51 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Basically I just want to know what Cliff Richard has ever done



Una Stubbs?


Lucky bastard.


In her day she was rather lovely.


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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:46:07 PM   
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I think it's just that thing of fame and fortune being thrown at someone relatively normal and it going to their heads. Bill Murray said that everyone acts like an arsehole for the first two years that they're famous, but some people never get over it.



That was directed at Chevy Chase wasn't it?

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:48:36 PM   
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quote:

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I think it's just that thing of fame and fortune being thrown at someone relatively normal and it going to their heads. Bill Murray said that everyone acts like an arsehole for the first two years that they're famous, but some people never get over it.



That was directed at Chevy Chase wasn't it?


It was trying to explain Chevy more than condemn him, I think. Because the two of them are friends these days. But I can understand the logic. I think a lot of people in creative arts have that odd mix of self-belief and self-loathing, and when you suddenly get a lot of attention thrown your way, it really throws the ego out of whack.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:51:56 PM   
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Basically I just want to know what Cliff Richard has ever done


He supported Kate Bush at the Royal Albert Hall in 1979.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:52:41 PM   
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Anyone who thinks Madonna is a great creative artist needs to read these first.

http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_many_artists_madonna_stole_from.htm

Cracked article #1

http://www.cracked.com/article_19848_7-famous-musicians-who-stole-some-their-biggest-hits_p2.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmfnw5KJHw8


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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:53:33 PM   
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Oh shit it's on now.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:54:10 PM   
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And in that Cracked article - Justify My Love was written and produced by Lenny Kravitz.

I also wasn't aware bands weren't allowed to influence and borrow from each other. Is that a new rule?


I think it comes down to acknowledgements. It's long been suggested that there are quite a few artists of that ilk with fairly ludicrous song-writing credits (adding banal lines to completed songs, etc). And Madonna does seem to have a fair few subsequent changes to acknowledgements or payments in lieu. Aren't there already a couple of issues for the new album too?

First link was very very mad though - so many trees the wood was all but lost. It's not just Madonna that seems to appropriate the praise for other's videos - that one with Beyonce was the pretty clear, IMO. I mean, you can understand influencing, but video artists are presumably entitled to some ownership of their work, not some major artist seeing it and copying it for a major performance and getting all the plaudits for it being amazing.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 8:55:07 PM   
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Paul of course is as knowledgable as Chevy Chase's biographer about the man these days

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 9:01:31 PM   
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quote:

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Anyone who thinks Madonna is a great creative artist needs to read these first.

http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_many_artists_madonna_stole_from.htm

Cracked article #1

http://www.cracked.com/article_19848_7-famous-musicians-who-stole-some-their-biggest-hits_p2.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmfnw5KJHw8



Paul McCartney is such a twat though........

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 9:01:45 PM   
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Oh shit it's on now.


In addition to that

http://www.cracked.com/article_18500_the-5-most-famous-musicians-who-are-thieving-bastards.html

quote:

Paul of course is as knowledgable as Chevy Chase's biographer about the man these days


Chevy Chase seems to be hated by about 90% of the American comedy industry.

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RE: What A Twat - 12/6/2012 9:06:44 PM   
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Oh yeah, didn't The Simpsons once call Jimmy Page the biggest thief of Blues music as well?

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