paul_ie86
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Joined: 4/1/2007 From: Chelsea Hotel #2
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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44 World English Dictionary chav (tʃæv) — n informal , derogatory ( Southern English ) a young working-class person whose tastes, although sometimes expensive, are considered vulgar by some Southern English, see that's not really how I would define it up here. Plus there are plenty of upper class chavs. How would you define it? Well the original point you made was assuming I hated the working class because I used the term chav. My argument is that working class doesn't automatically make you a chav and that thinking so could come across as middle/upper class prejudice. For example I consider myself working class (and proud) and don't consider myself a chav in any way or have any chav tendencies (poor education, ignorance, antagonistic/violent behaviour, bigotry, tendency to wear tracksuits/"designer" clothing, wear excessive amounts of bling and/or fake tan, listen to bad music, beat up black people in night club toilets etc....) I was going by the more common definition, ie the one Girv quoted above. And it just seemed to that whenever a working class person is in the news for whatever reason that there are always people commenting how chavvy they are or that they're working class scum. That's where my comment came from. Moving onto your point about what makes someone a chav, the poor standard of education is not solely the problem of the individual, and since a lot of the other problems you mention stem from the lack of education it is unfair to solely blame the individual for the results of it. I'm not saying we should absolve someone of the wrongdoing that they do, but we should also look at their circumstances and see how they got to where they are, and not just assume they were born that way and they'll never change.
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