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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 9/5/2012 5:07:22 PM

horribleives

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ORIGINAL: Dead Mike

They're on their own, got to the cinema on their own, chose a film & bought their ticket, yet they don't have the capacity to recognise that they have a condition? Really?

Yes, really. Did you read the original post?

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 9/5/2012 5:40:35 PM

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 9/5/2012 5:55:19 PM

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Yes I read the original post, it didn't specify how he got there? Another post in the thread stated that someones carer used to drop them off & come back for them. In this instance I'd say the carer was irresponsible.
It boils down to whether you think people with learning difficulties should be treated differently to those without or not?

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That 'they' is beginning to sound a little problematic IMO. What would you suggest otherwise? The exclusion of people with certain conditions manifest themselves physically from public activities? I suspect we're not, but I tend to hope we're better people than that and a little inconvenience won't kill us. Requirements for disabled access were a huge step forward and, personally, I'd start with getting rid of the real problems before worrying about the odd person not deliberately making noises. They're just the easier targets.

Absolutely agree, the original question asked was should people who can't help but spoil the film for the rest of the audience be allowed in? Personally I don't think banning them or special screenings is the way forward. I'd rather people use some common courtesy & manners and not make the situation in the first place.

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 9/5/2012 6:58:15 PM

horribleives

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ORIGINAL: Dead Mike

Yes I read the original post, it didn't specify how he got there? Another post in the thread stated that someones carer used to drop them off & come back for them. In this instance I'd say the carer was irresponsible.

In that instance they may well have been. But not everybody with learning disabilities has a carer attached to them night and day. Some are more than capable of going to the cinema on their own whilst still unknowingly acting in a way which may be disruptive to others.

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ORIGINAL: Dead Mike

It boils down to whether you think people with learning difficulties should be treated differently to those without or not?

Well there's a difference between learning difficulties and learning disabilities but either way - yes, they should.

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 9/5/2012 11:32:40 PM

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And this wasn't necessarily about learning difficulties - someone with Tourettes or cerebral palsy wouldn't generally come under that heading (the latter only does through lack of knowledge of prejudice).

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 10/5/2012 2:24:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: Dead Mike

They're on their own, got to the cinema on their own, chose a film & bought their ticket, yet they don't have the capacity to recognise that they have a condition? Really?

I would rather have a row full of people with this "condition" you speak of sitting in front of me, compared to 1 obnoxious teenager playing with their mobile phone throughout the film.

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 10/5/2012 8:07:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: Qwerty Norris

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ORIGINAL: Dead Mike

They're on their own, got to the cinema on their own, chose a film & bought their ticket, yet they don't have the capacity to recognise that they have a condition? Really?

I would rather have a row full of people with this "condition" you speak of sitting in front of me, compared to 1 obnoxious teenager playing with their mobile phone throughout the film.

No you wouldn't, that's just silly. 1 obnoxious teenager can be told to shut up, or told to leave. A row full of people with noisy disabilities can't be told.

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 10/5/2012 11:26:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: jonson

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ORIGINAL: Qwerty Norris

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ORIGINAL: Dead Mike

They're on their own, got to the cinema on their own, chose a film & bought their ticket, yet they don't have the capacity to recognise that they have a condition? Really?

I would rather have a row full of people with this "condition" you speak of sitting in front of me, compared to 1 obnoxious teenager playing with their mobile phone throughout the film.

No you wouldn't, that's just silly. 1 obnoxious teenager can be told to shut up, or told to leave. A row full of people with noisy disabilities can't be told.

You'd be surprised....

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 10/5/2012 11:29:38 AM

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The disabled person is less likely to be waiting outside the cinema in a car with a bunch of obnoxious mates to discuss the ejection afterwards

And I do think that is wrong - is there not a clear difference in the way you personally react to someone deliberately causing a ruction and someone who can't help the noise?

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 10/5/2012 11:38:12 AM

Qwerty Norris

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To add as well. Even if it is heavily disruptive, I can tolerate people who can't control themselves through no fault of their own. They, I feel, have a pretty good excuse & shouldn't be excluded from it. It's only a film FFS, if I'm that bothered, I'd leave & catch another screening - no biggy.

Arsehole teenagers, parents with babies in a 12A & people who should be mature enough to know better on the other hand....

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 10/5/2012 12:02:14 PM

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But if there is one person who, through no fault of their own, is disrupting the performance of a film for the rest/most of the audience...is that fair?That's where the idea of specific screenings (like screening for very young childern on Saturday I see) could be a solution.

I would have no issue leaving a screen where somebody was happily enjoying themselves..but I would want some kind of refund. Is that wrong?

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 10/5/2012 12:13:24 PM

Qwerty Norris

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ORIGINAL: st3veebee

But if there is one person who, through no fault of their own, is disrupting the performance of a film for the rest/most of the audience...is that fair?That's where the idea of specific screenings (like screening for very young childern on Saturday I see) could be a solution.

I would have no issue leaving a screen where somebody was happily enjoying themselves..but I would want some kind of refund. Is that wrong?

I think that's a fair comment in asking for your money back, although from my own experience I've yet to encounter a disabled person who has made an unbearable distraction in a cinema - so it's not really bothered me to the extent of asking for a refund of some sort.

I'm just extremely hostile to the position that none of them should be allowed in a cinema. That concept is almost entertaining the same ideas based around national socialism.

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 10/5/2012 12:23:03 PM

adambatman82

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ORIGINAL: st3veebee

But if there is one person who, through no fault of their own, is disrupting the performance of a film for the rest/most of the audience...is that fair?That's where the idea of specific screenings (like screening for very young childern on Saturday I see) could be a solution.

I would have no issue leaving a screen where somebody was happily enjoying themselves..but I would want some kind of refund. Is that wrong?

You'd get a refund too, and probably a comp for another screening if you were polite in explaining the problem to the manager. The multiplex managers that I know would encourage and reward such civility.

Personally I tend to be able to switch off quite easily if theres a person who can't help the way in which they're behaving in a screening. I don't know how that works tho, given that I'm a real pedant for any kind of disturbance from kids/teens/old folk.

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 10/5/2012 1:07:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: Dead Mike
Personally I don't think banning them or special screenings is the way forward. I'd rather people use some common courtesy & manners and not make the situation in the first place.

I agree. Why can't they just stay at home forever in a festering armchair never leaving their homes, lest their very nature of being offends us superior norms. You can't even lock your old relatives in the attic anymore. It's PC gone Mad!

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 10/5/2012 1:12:20 PM

Dirk Miggler

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It it got that bad I would just leave and ask for my money back, remove myself from the situaton. To be fair I've only asked for my money back twice and both times my local cinema was more than forthcoming and apologetic, if not then at least I'm pissed off with some giant money swallowing corporation and not some poor bugger who can't help themselves due to whatever condition they may have.

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 17/5/2012 4:38:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: st3veebee

But if there is one person who, through no fault of their own, is disrupting the performance of a film for the rest/most of the audience...is that fair?That's where the idea of specific screenings (like screening for very young childern on Saturday I see) could be a solution.

I don't think it has anything to do with being fair, it's just life. Sometimes you just have to have the humanity to accept that not everyone has the ability to sit quietly throughout a movie. Maybe it depends on the level of disruption, I don't know, but I'm vehemently against anything in principle that separates one disadvantaged group of society for no other reason than the comfort of others. More to the point, why should they be forced to have the time and day of their showing dictated to them? Special shows for disabled may be fine and well and done with the best intention, but not if they no longer have the option of attending whatever show they want. Also, there's a pretty huge spectrum of conditions covered by the term "mental disability". What if your disability meant that people surrounding you making noise made your condition worse or caused panic? Do we then have to get condition-specific showings? You see how this is a slippery slope? Someone call the Good Intentions Paving Company!

The physically and mentally disabled already get enough of a bum rap when it comes down to reduced quailty in the supply of services, regardless of what the legislation says, that I would hope that most people would be willing (if not necessarily happy) to accept the minor disruption that they may cause.

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I would have no issue leaving a screen where somebody was happily enjoying themselves..but I would want some kind of refund. Is that wrong?

I personally wouldn't see anything wrong with asking for a refund, as long as it is done with a bit of sensitivity and decorum. As adam says, most managers would appreciate this approach much more than someone bitching to them about the noise and trying to get the other party expelled.

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RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas - 19/5/2012 3:46:57 PM

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