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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 11/5/2012 11:25:23 AM   
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If I may throw my two pennies in......

I've always considered Batman Begins a film and The Dark Knight a movie despite both of them being made to a very decent standard, both critically acclaimed and both taking good box-office numbers

For me a movie comes with mass advertisement and press junkets on music channels and their pictures on the front pages of magazines and huge hype from the media/fans/studios

Whereas a film seems to slip in unannounced and gets built up through good word of mouth. A film just seems less of an event. A film seems to be allowed to be what it wants to be without audience or marketing or studio expectation

Anyway, if i'm going to watch a film/movie, I say 'I'm going to the pictures'

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 11/5/2012 12:45:08 PM   
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 I use all the terms as its all the same to me...

"I go to the cinema to see a film"
"I ask our lass if she fancies going to the pictures"
"I have a movie day with the lads when we watch DVDs"
"I tell people I love going to the Cinema"

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 11/5/2012 4:52:25 PM   
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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 12/5/2012 10:44:28 PM   
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 I called them films or movies, movies sounds more dramatic

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 13/5/2012 8:17:41 PM   
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 I say film more often, but who really cares either way.

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 14/5/2012 9:52:02 AM   
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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 14/5/2012 3:00:41 PM   
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This thread isn't really leading anywhere is it?

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 14/5/2012 3:56:10 PM   
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 Films have more critical and worthy distinction that purely entertaining movies.

Avengers Assemble is a great movie, but The Dark Knight Rises should be a great film.

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 14/5/2012 4:36:22 PM   
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Films have more critical and worthy distinction that purely entertaining movies.



I agree with what you say about B-Movies: in that they disregard fact, believeability and rigid plots in favour of pure entertainment. However EVERY film in my opinion must be entertaining. If you are not entertained the film has failed surely? So a better distinction should be made.


in my opinion.

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 14/5/2012 6:24:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: st3veebee

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Films have more critical and worthy distinction that purely entertaining movies.



I agree with what you say about B-Movies: in that they disregard fact, believeability and rigid plots in favour of pure entertainment.


And some of them still gather great praise. Evil Dead 2, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Star Wars and even something like Drag me to Hell still got great reviews, and they are very acclaimed.


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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 14/5/2012 11:00:52 PM   
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Films have more critical and worthy distinction that purely entertaining movies.

Avengers Assemble is a great movie, but The Dark Knight Rises should be a great film.


What?

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 15/5/2012 1:16:28 PM   
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love that marty scorsese calls his projects 'pictures' not 'films'.

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 15/5/2012 1:24:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: st3veebee

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Films have more critical and worthy distinction that purely entertaining movies.



I agree with what you say about B-Movies: in that they disregard fact, believeability and rigid plots in favour of pure entertainment. However EVERY film in my opinion must be entertaining. If you are not entertained the film has failed surely? So a better distinction should be made.


in my opinion.


I would suggest that Come and See, Andrei Rublev, Wake In Fright and Shoah (to name four) are in no way entertaining, but no one can suggest that they are failures.

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 15/5/2012 1:38:17 PM   
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 Rublev is hardly as harrowing as the others there, other than the Raid that is.

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 15/5/2012 1:43:52 PM   
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 No, true Dev - my point with Rublev is the very (VERY) slow pace and the complete lack of anything that can be traditionally considered as "entertainment".

But, at the same time, it's a masterpiece.

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 16/5/2012 10:10:43 PM   
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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 16/5/2012 11:00:32 PM   
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 Film technically means the physical piece of celluloid. But that's not what's being argued, really.

I think it all depends on what the film was meant for and how people approach it. I think there are five main purposes for which films are made. Entertainment, Art, Documenting, Propaganda (including advertising) and Pornography. Films meant for entertainment more so than it is for art, for example Transformers, are probably called movies more than film by its target audience. Art film fans would probably go with the film/digital definitions. When film is used as the medium of providing information about a particular subject, nearly everyone would call it a documentary, no one would question whether it's a film or movie. Propaganda films like Triumph Of The Will are usually talked about specifically and they get referred to as "propaganda films" like something you don't talk about very often. Advertising on TV are only ever called ads, and porno movies are now most often just called porn, because no one ever gets to the end of a porno film, making its purpose as a film with a specific duration pointless.

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 16/5/2012 11:02:47 PM   
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Film technically means the physical piece of celluloid. But that's not what's being argued, really.

I think it all depends on what the film was meant for and how people approach it. I think there are five main purposes for which films are made. Entertainment, Art, Documenting, Propaganda (including advertising) and Pornography. Films meant for entertainment more so than it is for art, for example Transformers, are probably called movies more than film by its target audience. Art film fans would probably go with the film/digital definitions. When film is used as the medium of providing information about a particular subject, nearly everyone would call it a documentary, no one would question whether it's a film or movie. Propaganda films like Triumph Of The Will are usually talked about specifically and they get referred to as "propaganda films" like something you don't talk about very often. Advertising on TV are only ever called ads, and porno movies are now most often just called porn, because no one ever gets to the end of a porno film, making its purpose as a film with a specific duration pointless.


Speak for yourself, Quick-Draw.

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 16/5/2012 11:58:24 PM   
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And, hey, look- Squid's back.....

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 17/5/2012 9:33:45 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: great_badir

quote:

ORIGINAL: st3veebee

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Films have more critical and worthy distinction that purely entertaining movies.



I agree with what you say about B-Movies: in that they disregard fact, believeability and rigid plots in favour of pure entertainment. However EVERY film in my opinion must be entertaining. If you are not entertained the film has failed surely? So a better distinction should be made.


in my opinion.


I would suggest that Come and See, Andrei Rublev, Wake In Fright and Shoah (to name four) are in no way entertaining, but no one can suggest that they are failures.


I stand by my statement but maybe I should change entertained to engaged. If the film has no affect on you (whihc is what I meant by entertained) it has surely failed.

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 12/7/2012 2:44:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Squidward Hark Bugle

Film technically means the physical piece of celluloid. But that's not what's being argued, really.

I think it all depends on what the film was meant for and how people approach it. I think there are five main purposes for which films are made. Entertainment, Art, Documenting, Propaganda (including advertising) and Pornography. Films meant for entertainment more so than it is for art, for example Transformers, are probably called movies more than film by its target audience. Art film fans would probably go with the film/digital definitions. When film is used as the medium of providing information about a particular subject, nearly everyone would call it a documentary, no one would question whether it's a film or movie. Propaganda films like Triumph Of The Will are usually talked about specifically and they get referred to as "propaganda films" like something you don't talk about very often. Advertising on TV are only ever called ads, and porno movies are now most often just called porn, because no one ever gets to the end of a porno film, making its purpose as a film with a specific duration pointless.


Speak for yourself, Quick-Draw.


The denouement of a porno is the best part, eh?

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 12/7/2012 3:06:57 PM   
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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 19/7/2012 11:34:17 AM   
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love that marty scorsese calls his projects 'pictures' not 'films'.


Me too.

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 26/7/2012 4:40:37 PM   
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The way I see it:

Movie - The Dark Knight Rises
Film - Moonrise Kingdom

Movie - Ghostbusters
Film - Paris, Texas

Another distinction people often make is between Actors and Stars:

Star: Brad Pitt
Actor: Benicio Del Toro

Star: Cary Grant
Actor: George C. Scott

Star: Marilyn Monroe
Actress: Patricia Neal

And yet another distinction is between Directors and Auteurs:

Director: James Cameron
Auteur: Paul Thomas Anderson

Director: Steven Spielberg
Auteur: Stanley Kubrick

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 26/7/2012 4:50:44 PM   
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Looks like it is all down to personal preference. So who cares?

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RE: So what films are films and what movies are movies? - 26/7/2012 4:55:00 PM   
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Hmm, I think there's an objectivity to it, but at the same time there are definitely grey areas.

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