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The European Politics Thread - 6/5/2012 7:04:56 PM   
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Couldn't find an appropriate thread for this so made a new one for all general Euro issues. Anyways looks like Sarkozy is out according to exit polls.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17975660

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 6/5/2012 7:32:44 PM   
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^^^ Hope so, Sarkozy is far too full of himself. Can someone explain to me why French turnout is like 70%+? Fairly depressing that our turnout was in the mid-30%

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 6/5/2012 8:46:46 PM   
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Turnout is usally 65%-70% in UK general elections but much lower in local ones.

Sarkozy has apparently admitted defeat. Great news.


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RE: The European Politics Thread - 6/5/2012 9:43:35 PM   
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i think the shit just hit the fan with Sarkozy going and the possibility of Greece aswell. There too much change for a fragile currency and we could see the domino effect of euro countries defaulting soon.

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 7/5/2012 12:13:03 AM   
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^^^ Hope so, Sarkozy is far too full of himself. Can someone explain to me why French turnout is like 70%+? Fairly depressing that our turnout was in the mid-30%

p.s. my thread's bigger than yours


Turnout was down compared to the 2007 election.

Still undecided as to whether this is a positive step forward for France, Monsieur Hollande gives the impression that is incapable of making the tough decisions when needed, but then Sarko, is well, Sarko.

What's more worrying for France really is the fact that Marine Le Pen of the Front National gained 18% of the vote in the primary elections rendering nearly 1/5 French people racist.

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 7/5/2012 1:39:28 AM   
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What's more worrying for France really is the fact that Marine Le Pen of the Front National gained 18% of the vote in the primary elections rendering nearly 1/5 French people racist.


Well one out of five that voted, you still have the apolitical 20%.


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RE: The European Politics Thread - 7/5/2012 2:18:00 AM   
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If in doubt, vote left.

Meanwhile, violence in Moscow. Putin putting his best foot forward.

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 7/5/2012 2:37:25 AM   
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If in doubt, vote left.

Meanwhile, violence in Moscow. Putin putting his best foot forward.


Interesting piece on Putins supposedly illegally funded secret palace.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17730959

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 7/5/2012 10:24:05 AM   
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Keep Asians out of this thread.


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RE: The European Politics Thread - 7/5/2012 2:49:02 PM   
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What's more worrying for France really is the fact that Marine Le Pen of the Front National gained 18% of the vote in the primary elections rendering nearly 1/5 French people racist.


Well one out of five that voted, you still have the apolitical 20%.



There was a report in the Independent about people in French villages voting Le Pen - and these places are lile 99% white. When they interviewed some of these people they said they weren't racists and it was just a protest - gotta say that has to be the dumbest protest vote of all time

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 7/5/2012 4:08:10 PM   
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Sounds like many of the Euro leaders aren't too happy about Hollande getting in. Neither are the Tory papers.



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"A return to ruinous spending"


Aye ok then....

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 7/5/2012 4:14:10 PM   
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What I'd like to know is where the money to spend is going to come from! I

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 7/5/2012 7:09:36 PM   
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What's more worrying for France really is the fact that Marine Le Pen of the Front National gained 18% of the vote in the primary elections rendering nearly 1/5 French people racist.


Well one out of five that voted, you still have the apolitical 20%.



There was a report in the Independent about people in French villages voting Le Pen - and these places are lile 99% white. When they interviewed some of these people they said they weren't racists and it was just a protest - gotta say that has to be the dumbest protest vote of all time



Tbh, I expected that. Also, you know what scares and baffles me more? Golden Dawn in Greece. The National Front were always a bit popular in France and at worst they can be called quite fascist, 7% of Greek voters just voted for bloody neo-nazis.


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RE: The European Politics Thread - 7/5/2012 7:51:58 PM   
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Yeah, Golden Dawn's success was pretty shocking. Given how many alternative hard-right options there are in Greece, 7% of the population voting for actual neo-Nazis is disturbing.

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 7/5/2012 8:14:27 PM   
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And it is the bloody Nazis, a group from a political ideology that left Greece FUBAR after their occupation in WW2, I know people tend to go with such parties in such disastrous economic times like the ones in Greece but that is still shocking.

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 7/5/2012 10:48:48 PM   
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Many Germans voted for the Nazi party in the 1930s and the German economy was smashed. Surely it wouldn't be shocking after the 2008 crash, extreme right wing groups would take advantage of the anger.

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 7/5/2012 10:56:01 PM   
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At least most of the French and the Greeks went left rather than for the full-fat Tories.

Sure it's a concern that millions of Europeans are phuckin' muppets. But at least the muppetry hasn't spread far enough for the phuckers to win power.

What's the story in Serbia?

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 7/5/2012 11:57:00 PM   
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Many Germans voted for the Nazi party in the 1930s and the German economy was smashed.


It was the one that got the highest percentage of votes, not the majority though. Also, Germany wasn't smashed, it was absolutely annihilated, it had the highest unemployment rate ever recorded, 31% in 1932

According to a featurette done on Italian television I've just seen, one of the reasons voters voted for LePenn in northern France was for the economic situation rather than xenophobia, a desire to have the focus of the job-making to the French and what they perceive as government overspending on the Maghreb people, the disillusion with the Euro and the EU and anger at the austerity measures. It's more anger and frustration than full on racism. She is also an excellent manipulator of emotions. You had cases of descendants of Polish immigrants voting for her.

I don't see why there is such a hullaballo about this, National Front always had a minor but considerable vote percentage since 1988 and LePenn doesn't seem to be as terrible as her father, though that's not really a compliment.

NEONAZIS ON THE OTHER HAND

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 8/5/2012 4:01:14 PM   
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Looksl ike he might have learned maths in the last day or two.
http://news.yahoo.com/frances-hollande-may-roll-back-spending-promises-135829880.html

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 10/5/2012 9:56:58 PM   
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About the Golden Dawn party in Greece.

The 7% they got last Sunday is not representative or indicative of a Neo-Nazi-turn in Greek politics. Greeks continue to bear an eternal hate for what the four-year Nazi occupation did to the country and its people, which was, in a nutshell, massive massacre of civilians, for the mere fact that we resisted them viciously throughout their stay here, and utter razing to the ground of 100% of the country's infrastructure. The Nazi policy of the Holocaust did not leave Greece untouched either, its Jewish population suffering the same fate as the rest of european citizens of Jewish descent in occupied lands.

The people who voted last Sunday for the Nationalist Front, as it's official name is, did so for a number of reasons.

Firstly, a great number of voters chose them just to see them enter Parliament and begin to beat up MPs of the other parties during sessions in Parliament, which in the last couple of years has been reduced to a mock institution, where travesti procedures would simply translate German dictates coming directly from Berlin into Greek and then pass them as pieces of legislature in no more than a few hours' time. This would go on for two years against the People's will, who never ceased to protest against the disintegration of our Republic. Both the executive and the legislative branches of goverment in Greece had ceased to work according to the Constitution, as all Greek Law Schools have repeatedly stated in apprehension and desperation on occasion, having simply surrendered ALL their authority to Frau Kanzlerin Merkel and her Wolfgang Schaeuble.

Another portion of the constituency cast their vote for the Nationalist Front --which officially claims they are not Neo-Nazi, Hitler is none of their concerns, they are merely nationalists, with strong references to Classical Greek culture yada yada yada and other such nonsense-- because for a couple of years now Golden Dawn members have been offering free meals and moderate financial support, whenever possible, to the skyrocketing numbers of destitute people (something like 2.5 million people are today living on less than two euros per day, and a further 1.5 to 3 million people are unemployed or work for not more than 4 times a month), helping the elderly cope with the obscenely increased crime rate in certain parts of Athens and elsewhere, which have been abandoned by the utterly inept former PaSoK government of George Papandreou (I need not speak any further about what an idiot the guy was, in the words of Sarko: "Quel con!") to the day-by-day accumulating throngs of practically homeless Asian and African immigrants flocking to Greece (approximately 1.8 million such undocumented and illegal immigrants), in the hope of reaching Central Europe someday, and a better future, which they cannot do at the moment, since European Treaties do not permit Greek authorities to do anything to make this transition possible, so they have to remain here, where there is nothing to do, no jobs, no place to stay, no wealth, no social services of practical consequence and so, simply for survival's sake, anything from minor offences to felony murders are on the daily agenda. So people felt scared, and fear, uncertainly and impoverishment are probably the most evil of ill-counsels.

And then there was another great part of people whose main concern was to vote in a way that would cause a raucous bang that would shake up the sense of complacency shared by the traditionally two ruling parties, whose continual, undisputed 38-year rule has brought us where we now stand, on the brink of the abyss, whose reckless wantoness in the country's administration has only made their members consider themselves as beyond the reach of the Law and whose primary, nay, their only purpose has ever been to gain illicit wealth for themselves and their families and close friends through an extensive practice of corruption, particularly in the field of signing up contracts with German corporations for public works of breathtakingly inflated budgets. These voters believed that letting the Nationalist Front enter Parliament would make a no-mistake, crystal clear statement that unless the two parties (PaSoK, the falsely Socialist, and Nea Demokratia, the falsely Liberal) realised their time was up, worse would follow.

All in all, for the time being it is ill-advised to consider the 440,000 people who voted for the Nationalist Front as members of a Neo Nazi party, or inclined to become ones in the future. Up until recently, Golden Dawn would only muster a 0.29% of the votes.

To my mind, a great deal of repulsive events have taken place in Greece in the past couple of years, the worst of which was the coup-d'-etat appointment by Berlin of a government of Greek collaborators that the people had not elected, with the sole mission to make sure banks would stay afloat through all this crisis, while the People, from whom all authority stems, were left to stand in the rubble of their lives, walking as shadows amidst a vast, twilit stretch of festering marshland.

I feel the Greek matter is a lost cause today. The speed with which the Nationalist Front has risen, is the speed with which they will sink back into oblivion soon, for we bear no love for Nazism in Greece or fascistoids in general. However, the damage to our Republic was done long before the Nationalists got a 7%. There can be no evil worse than seeing your elected officials surrender their power freely, the People's power, to foreign hands, not out of need, but simply for thinking that in this way they stand a better chance of remaining in power, even if that would mean that their rule will only extend hereafter over fields of ash and poison.

Do not let this happen to your country. We resisted, but there's only so much we can do on our own.

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 14/5/2012 5:40:02 PM   
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Here's a link (click) to an article by Marcus Walker, May 10, 2012, The Wall Street Journal, highlighting the main points of why the Greek Rescue Loan Memoranda failed.

The same policy of loans to Euro zone member states followed by extreme austerity measures that only lead to deep and long-lasting recession are today also employed in Italy, Spain, Portugal etc.; there is an increased likelihood that what happened to Greece may to one degree or another occur soon to those states as well.

Kanzlerin Merkel continues to staunchly support such austerity policies, claiming that her strict, iron-clad hand governing such matters is her only recourse to successfully "selling" these policies to her constituency. Recent regional elections in the German states of Nordrhein-Westfalen, Saarland and Schleswig-Holstein prove otherwise.

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 14/5/2012 6:03:41 PM   
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Many experts believe Greece will leave the Eurozone within the next 6 months or so.

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 15/5/2012 7:55:38 PM   
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This is more of a summary of what could happen if or when Greece leave Europe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01bwm1h

The most interesting part is how Greece will exit Europe and it could happen anytime with no warning.




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RE: The European Politics Thread - 8/6/2012 1:00:18 AM   
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Looks like the Golden Dawn have shown themselves for what they really are*.

*Nazi cunts that is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/07/golden-dawn-tv-assault-greece

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 8/6/2012 1:05:58 AM   
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What an utterly ridiculous name and one that could only be linked to a bunch of complete fucktards.



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RE: The European Politics Thread - 9/6/2012 12:09:57 PM   
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I guess he falls into his true image. What a thug. The frightening thing is the BNP bunch on Yahoo are being true to type and claiming he was justified in violently slapping one woman and then trying to hit her two more times whilst being restrained. Says it all really.

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 9/6/2012 4:45:10 PM   
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Now the scumbag is blaming his victims.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/09/golden-dawn-ilias-kasidiaris-facebook

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 9/6/2012 5:35:05 PM   
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So to question the fact he was being investigated for assault on someone else is provocation to violence. The irony would be delicious if he did not come across as a true monster.

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 10/6/2012 1:37:13 AM   
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Now the scumbag is blaming his victims.



I hate it when that happens!

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RE: The European Politics Thread - 10/6/2012 1:50:33 AM   
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Now the scumbag is blaming his victims.



I hate it when that happens!



Yeah that's basically the worst kind of person right there.

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