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AVATAR - 2/11/2009 10:40:43 PM   
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I have a big problem with the term "game changer". The game will not change, and neither does it need changing. I think Empire are guilty of using this term a lot. But look, if a film is good then it will speak for itself. It's just a shame that the filmmakers have to deal with the inevitable backlash that is, really, the fault of magazines and websites and sad little people who live in their mother's basement. Or maybe they just won't care. The film's going to make Cameron much more wealthy than he already is.

I get the distinct impression that 3D will be around for some time, but it will not change cinema. There's a lot of films in various genres that do not require 3D, and would not be suitable in 3D.  For big event films it works well in the cinema but the same 3D effect is not quite possible at home. It's a limited technology in this respect. I'm seriously looking forward to seeing AVATAR in 3D because it has been developed around this technology, and this is where it will flourish. Watching an out-of-context trailer on a small screen is not ideal.

Film, like any other art form, is full of variety and is constantly changing. AVATAR genuinely looks like something that has never been seen before and that is something to be applauded. I personally cannot wait.

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RE: AVATAR - 3/11/2009 4:01:18 AM   
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I don't see what the big deal is about this movie, it's not even live action. Not going to rush out to see this one.

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RE: AVATAR - 3/11/2009 8:52:59 AM   
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I don't see what the big deal is about this movie, it's not even live action. Not going to rush out to see this one.


Those are real actors and sets y'know, the aliens and their world arent but the people are real


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RE: AVATAR - 3/11/2009 9:49:18 AM   
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 Krudler, it's a 3D moving image. It's not live action, it's a hologram. It should be treated as a separate medium of storytelling.

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RE: AVATAR - 3/11/2009 10:50:15 AM   
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 You’ll see a little R2 unit dishing out blue beams from the back of the auditorium if you turn around…

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RE: AVATAR - 3/11/2009 2:44:55 PM   
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Krudler, it's a 3D moving image. It's not live action, it's a hologram. It should be treated as a separate medium of storytelling.


Is that a joke? I hope it is because that's just silly.

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RE: AVATAR - 3/11/2009 3:28:37 PM   
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quote:

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Krudler, it's a 3D moving image. It's not live action, it's a hologram. It should be treated as a separate medium of storytelling.


Is that a joke? I hope it is because that's just silly.


Check the signature in the original post, above the one you quoted.

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RE: AVATAR - 3/11/2009 3:32:17 PM   
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 Pretty cool fan made poster. Better than the official ones at this point anyhow:

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/zz0f75d3e9.jpg

Nice to see someone finding a positive use for something related to Terminator Salvation there.

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RE: AVATAR - 3/11/2009 3:57:15 PM   
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 Booked my tickets for Manchester iMAX on 16th December. Strangley though, I'm not excited. I think I booked the tickets purely because I've been saying for years that I'll be watching this at the iMAX rather than because I think it actually looks good. I can't shake the feeling that it's going to go all Phantom Menace and turn out to be a CGI filled souless crushing dissapointment. Also I have a Cineworld Unlimited card so I could just watch it on a smaller screen for £1.50 rather than paying £12.50. Hmmmm...

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RE: AVATAR - 3/11/2009 4:09:14 PM   
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quote:

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Krudler, it's a 3D moving image. It's not live action, it's a hologram. It should be treated as a separate medium of storytelling.


Is that a joke? I hope it is because that's just silly.


Check the signature in the original post, above the one you quoted.


Ah, okay. That makes more sense Apologies Pigeon Army!

Edit: The comment makes no sense, but it's clearer to me that Pigeon Army isn't the silly billy in question.

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RE: AVATAR - 3/11/2009 4:33:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alistair

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ORIGINAL: pete_traynor

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alistair

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army
Krudler, it's a 3D moving image. It's not live action, it's a hologram. It should be treated as a separate medium of storytelling.


Is that a joke? I hope it is because that's just silly.


Check the signature in the original post, above the one you quoted.


Ah, okay. That makes more sense Apologies Pigeon Army!

Edit: The comment makes no sense, but it's clearer to me that Pigeon Army isn't the silly billy in question.


I wouldn’t worry, I was initially confused too.

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RE: AVATAR - 3/11/2009 4:42:22 PM   
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I don't see what the big deal is about this movie, it's not even live action. Not going to rush out to see this one.


40% live action and 60% CGI, and some miniature work thrown in for good measure too. I believe that is what Cameron has been saying for a while now with regards to the split. With the overall goal being that the audience wont know which is which when the view the finished movie as a whole. Bold statement indeed! And while I don’t think the character work will ‘100%’ convince (hope it does mind!) the environments they’ve created are jaw dropping.

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RE: AVATAR - 3/11/2009 4:59:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pete_traynor

quote:

ORIGINAL: JoeyPottr

I don't see what the big deal is about this movie, it's not even live action. Not going to rush out to see this one.


40% live action and 60% CGI, and some miniature work thrown in for good measure too. I believe that is what Cameron has been saying for a while now with regards to the split. With the overall goal being that the audience wont know which is which when the view the finished movie as a whole. Bold statement indeed! And while I don't think the character work will '100%' convince (hope it does mind!) the environments they've created are jaw dropping.


Avatar: Screw the plot. Look how pretty our trees are!

On another note, the game looks interesting. Don't fancy playing it in 3D but it might be worth a rental at least.

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RE: AVATAR - 4/11/2009 9:25:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pete_traynor

quote:

ORIGINAL: JoeyPottr

I don't see what the big deal is about this movie, it's not even live action. Not going to rush out to see this one.


40% live action and 60% CGI, and some miniature work thrown in for good measure too. I believe that is what Cameron has been saying for a while now with regards to the split. With the overall goal being that the audience wont know which is which when the view the finished movie as a whole. Bold statement indeed! And while I don't think the character work will '100%' convince (hope it does mind!) the environments they've created are jaw dropping.


Avatar: Screw the plot. Look how pretty our trees are!

On another note, the game looks interesting. Don't fancy playing it in 3D but it might be worth a rental at least.


I see what you’ve done there. Yes, very good. I was discussing the technical make up of the movie, not the potential quality of the story arch.

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RE: AVATAR - 4/11/2009 2:49:01 PM   
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 Probably already been said before - but as far as story goes - this is Cameron. Judging from his past efforts, the story will be good.

People worried about already knowing too much about the story.... look how Titanic did, the trailer looked like it had given everything away, and then everyone knew the fate of the ship. But it still managed to suck people in.

I came across an interesting tid bit of the story that some of you may or may not have already known... I didn't anyways,
so cover your eyes now if you don't want to know...

**spoilerish**
Apparently, there is a big feud ongoing between the Avatar controllers and other people on the base, a massive clash of personality types that fuels a lot of the story
**/spoilerish**

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RE: AVATAR - 4/11/2009 3:02:02 PM   
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Probably already been said before - but as far as story goes - this is Cameron. Judging from his past efforts, the story will be good.


Erm..........err..................you mean his efforts that don't involve anything he did in these last 19 years right?

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RE: AVATAR - 4/11/2009 3:07:24 PM   
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Probably already been said before - but as far as story goes - this is Cameron. Judging from his past efforts, the story will be good.

People worried about already knowing too much about the story.... look how Titanic did, the trailer looked like it had given everything away, and then everyone knew the fate of the ship. But it still managed to suck people in.

I came across an interesting tid bit of the story that some of you may or may not have already known... I didn't anyways,
so cover your eyes now if you don't want to know...

**spoilerish**
Apparently, there is a big feud ongoing between the Avatar controllers and other people on the base, a massive clash of personality types that fuels a lot of the story
**/spoilerish**


I’m also of that thinking and am sure the story will be fine.

Potential Spoilers again! Was I the trailer but a heads up anyway:

**It was only on about my third viewing of the new trailer that I noticed that in the very brief shot of Rodriquez piloting near the end she is in full Na’Vi war paint. Was initially under the impression that it would only be Jake and probably Weavers characters that would side with the Na’Vi. Looks like he’ll definitely play on the science types against the military powers. And with Pandora being over five years from Earth, if a Military coup occurred who would be able to stop it? But looks like you’re right and we coud be looking at Na’Vi Vs Humans, Humans Vs Humans, Avatars Vs Avatars not to mention all the aggressive wildlife on Pandora etc etc… should make for one hell of a smack down**


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RE: AVATAR - 4/11/2009 3:09:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chrisseh

I came across an interesting tid bit of the story that some of you may or may not have already known... I didn't anyways,
so cover your eyes now if you don't want to know...

**spoilerish**
Apparently, there is a big feud ongoing between the Avatar controllers and other people on the base, a massive clash of personality types that fuels a lot of the story
**/spoilerish**


I thought that was made glaringly obvious in the trailer.  It certainly appears that the science types are going to be the 'good' guys, whereas the military are the 'bad' guys.  Blatently obvious from the trailer, and another rather 'seen it all before' aspect of the story. 

However,  this aspect of the trailer did highlight a major positive for me, and that is the human/military/science side of the production design.  The military tech looks good (although nothing really new, we've all seen mech's controlled by people, right?!) and they haven't gone too 'out there' in the future design.  People are still wearing suits, bandana's and lab coats.  People are still drinking and watching sports in bars etc.  It's great to see human tech in a future world that isn't over the top.  A lot of those lab/military scenes really evoked an 'Aliens' vibe from me, and that was great. 

Pity I still can't stand the design of most of Pandora's native's!  Even more so after watching that short 'making of' clip, I hate, hate, hate the Na'vi design!

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RE: AVATAR - 4/11/2009 3:15:55 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Probably already been said before - but as far as story goes - this is Cameron. Judging from his past efforts, the story will be good.


Erm..........err..................you mean his efforts that don't involve anything he did in these last 19 years right?


Haha! Well I for one found the Lost Tomb of Jesus to be nothing short of a thoroughly thought provoking piece of documentary film making. He didn’t actually ascend to heaven!!! He’s still here… well, what’s left of him anyway. What a fucking twist! The anti Titanic if ever I saw it… blew my twatting mind!

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RE: AVATAR - 4/11/2009 4:43:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chrisseh

I came across an interesting tid bit of the story that some of you may or may not have already known... I didn't anyways,
so cover your eyes now if you don't want to know...

**spoilerish**
Apparently, there is a big feud ongoing between the Avatar controllers and other people on the base, a massive clash of personality types that fuels a lot of the story
**/spoilerish**


I thought that was made glaringly obvious in the trailer.  It certainly appears that the science types are going to be the 'good' guys, whereas the military are the 'bad' guys.  Blatently obvious from the trailer, and another rather 'seen it all before' aspect of the story. 

However,  this aspect of the trailer did highlight a major positive for me, and that is the human/military/science side of the production design.  The military tech looks good (although nothing really new, we've all seen mech's controlled by people, right?!) and they haven't gone too 'out there' in the future design.  People are still wearing suits, bandana's and lab coats.  People are still drinking and watching sports in bars etc.  It's great to see human tech in a future world that isn't over the top.  A lot of those lab/military scenes really evoked an 'Aliens' vibe from me, and that was great. 

Pity I still can't stand the design of most of Pandora's native's!  Even more so after watching that short 'making of' clip, I hate, hate, hate the Na'vi design!



I wanna know why giant mechs need swords, or indeed, in a universe where you can transfer the minds of people into other bodies, why people need to even drive the mechs around.



SPECULATION - MAYBE SPOILERS


So I'm thinking at least one of the following may come true

Jakes brother is still alive in another Avatar body and it is he who is doing the "fly my brothers!" and "this is our land!" stuff - doesn't make sense coming from Jake to be honest.

Salanda's character killed Jakes brother

After it looks like Stephen Lang has been killed it is revealled that he has his own super secret Avatar body which sets up the now traditional action packed 4th act that Cameron does.


END SPECULATION SPOILERS

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RE: AVATAR - 4/11/2009 4:51:06 PM   
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 Oh and one more thing - on the featurette http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwExjfhE2io  - go to the 2.14 mark.

What the heck is that? Has Cameron being doing close up CGI humans as well?



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RE: AVATAR - 4/11/2009 5:10:27 PM   
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For purely cinematic reasons, probably because it's cooler that way! But that's like asking why an SAS trooper would still carry a knife! They have big guns, are trained to the pinnacle of combat proficiency right? But if all goes tits up a side arm, no matter how primitive, could still be the difference between life and death.

There has been speculation that military tech in the Avatar universe is actually more advanced than that seen in the film. But, given the extremely harsh conditions of Pandaora a more retro fitted and sturdy approach was taken for the hardware to be used in that campaign.

And I don't thing it would be as simple as uploading an armies worth of infantry men into new bodies merely because the technology exists to do so. In purely fiscal terms, each Avatar body is probably worth millions so why (if this is indeed the case) would a shady conglomerate like the RDA risk and hugely expensive host body on something a thousand men could do for the same potential loss. They simply wouldn't.

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RE: AVATAR - 4/11/2009 5:16:24 PM   
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For purely cinematic reasons, probably because it's cooler that way! But that's like asking why an SAS trooper would still carry a knife! They have big guns, are trained to the pinnacle of combat proficiency right? But if all goes tits up a side arm, no matter how primitive, could still be the difference between life and death.

There has been speculation that military tech in the Avatar universe is actually more advanced than that seen in the film. But, given the extremely harsh conditions of Pandaora a more retro fitted and sturdy approach was taken for the hardware to be used in that campaign.

And I don't thing it would be as simple as uploading an armies worth of infantry men into new bodies merely because the technology exists to do so. In purely fiscal terms, each Avatar body is probably worth millions so why (if this is indeed the case) would a shady conglomerate like the RDA risk and hugely expensive host body on something a thousand men could do for the same potential loss. They simply wouldn't.


I mean why have a knife as a seperate attatchement? Its a robot, does it really need fingers to hold a sharp object to kill with?

And why not have soliders remote controlling the mechs? You are still using pretty much the same resources but removing the danger of the human pilot getting killed thus rendering the machine useless.

I know the answer to both these things- toys. But still, its fun to be geeks about this.

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RE: AVATAR - 4/11/2009 5:21:04 PM   
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Oh and one more thing - on the featurette http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwExjfhE2io  - go to the 2.14 mark.

What the heck is that? Has Cameron being doing close up CGI humans as well?


You mean this?:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/dean_rothwell/Avatar.jpg

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RE: AVATAR - 4/11/2009 6:56:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Oh and one more thing - on the featurette http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwExjfhE2io  - go to the 2.14 mark.

What the heck is that? Has Cameron being doing close up CGI humans as well?


You mean this?:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/dean_rothwell/Avatar.jpg



Thats the one. Something is off with the picture. Either some of those are CGI faces or they are real and the backdrop makes them look fake.

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RE: Avatar - 4/11/2009 9:12:54 PM   
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The faces are real, maybe the bodies aren't OR maybe Cameron ants their faces to be distrorted the way they would be through curved glass and gass. Eitherway I know what you mean.

I think the avatar in the trailer when it's in the lab looks superb. Real but the minute they go into the avatar world, the coulours surrounding them seem to add up to loony toons. The balance is way off. I can see what Cameron is trying to do, create a worl completely new but the human eye has an eerie knack for picking up something not quite right. Read: fake.

NEW trailer (I think)

http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/dor/objects/800318/avatar/videos/avatar_trl_103009.html

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RE: Cineworld - 4/11/2009 9:26:37 PM   
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Cineworld are now selling Avatar tickets; they are doing previews on 16/12.

(other cinemas may also be available ;))


Showcase are now selling for the 16th too.

Not sure how many Imax venues are prebooking - Birmingham isn't, yet.

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RE: Cineworld - 4/11/2009 9:32:05 PM   
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 Was at the IMAX and figured I could hold it in my hand, it now sits in my house:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2876/photo36r.jpg

Oh yeah baby, damn right!

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Japanese trailer with some new shots:

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RE: AVATAR - 5/11/2009 9:51:57 AM   
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For purely cinematic reasons, probably because it's cooler that way! But that's like asking why an SAS trooper would still carry a knife! They have big guns, are trained to the pinnacle of combat proficiency right? But if all goes tits up a side arm, no matter how primitive, could still be the difference between life and death.

There has been speculation that military tech in the Avatar universe is actually more advanced than that seen in the film. But, given the extremely harsh conditions of Pandaora a more retro fitted and sturdy approach was taken for the hardware to be used in that campaign.

And I don't thing it would be as simple as uploading an armies worth of infantry men into new bodies merely because the technology exists to do so. In purely fiscal terms, each Avatar body is probably worth millions so why (if this is indeed the case) would a shady conglomerate like the RDA risk and hugely expensive host body on something a thousand men could do for the same potential loss. They simply wouldn't.


I mean why have a knife as a seperate attatchement? Its a robot, does it really need fingers to hold a sharp object to kill with?

And why not have soliders remote controlling the mechs? You are still using pretty much the same resources but removing the danger of the human pilot getting killed thus rendering the machine useless.

I know the answer to both these things- toys. But still, its fun to be geeks about this.


As you’ve rightly stated it is a robot. So, if it were to malfunction in some way (lets say it’s firearm capabilities and ability to walk were disabled) it could very well be that having a knife or stabbing weapon of some kind as a separate attachment would be the pilots last line of defence. With regards to the fingers. Perhaps holding weaponry is only one possible use. Let’s not forget, they’re there to strip mine Pandora, so large armoured mechs with opposable digits would be very useful for loading/offloading large mineral deposits that have been excavated, not to mention large, heavy mining tools.

Fair point on remote controlling the mechs. But if the technology was available to have them remote controlled (sure it would be), and I mean to the high level of agility needed to combat such an athletic and dangerous adversary as a 10 ft feline alien, it may be a purely strategic military decision to still have them piloted in the field by actual troops. I’m no soldier but I imagine a soldier actually in the field basing his or her reactions on the situation, environment and instincts in any given moment must be vastly superior to someone sitting in safe compound 50 miles from the field of battle. Or yeah, could just be to sell toys haha!

All speculation of course but you’re right, it is fun to geek out about these things!


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