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RE: The Raid - 19/5/2012 5:57:02 PM

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Not my cup of tea but I can see where you are all coming from. Oh and after this reading this review I can't get the image of serious film critics going 'aah' 'eep' 'fark!' out of my head because I just sat there a little bit bored but admiring the slick camera work and martial arts and direction. And also after reading this review I'm thinking 'should have stayed and watched the secret scene' can anyone fill me in on that? I stayed long enough to see the directors Credit a welsh men from my neck of the woods.

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RE: The Raid - 19/5/2012 6:14:32 PM

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Saw this today at a preview with a director Q & A post-screening.

Is this the Manchester screening? I was there. The film was great and the audience really reacted well to each hit. The whole thing was probably the best cinema experience I've had with an action film in a while. The Q/A session afterwards was also a treat. I managed to get a scoop out of the director on the sequel too.

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RE: Phenomenal - 19/5/2012 6:14:51 PM

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RE: Phenomenal - 19/5/2012 6:15:01 PM

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RE: Superb film - 19/5/2012 6:54:50 PM

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On a similar note I have seen it and its fucking amazing.

Absobloodylutely! Awesome film and Iko Uwais is my new crush

Trying to work out when I can fit this in again. Second film I have seen in 2 weeks where the audience has cheered and clapped during (Avengers was the first) and it's a great atmosphere to be in! Loved it

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RE: Superb film - 20/5/2012 5:27:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: Darth Marenghi

Saw this today at a preview with a director Q & A post-screening.

Is this the Manchester screening? I was there. The film was great and the audience really reacted well to each hit. The whole thing was probably the best cinema experience I've had with an action film in a while. The Q/A session afterwards was also a treat. I managed to get a scoop out of the director on the sequel too.

Indeed it was.

Was that the bit when Evans talked about the car stunt he's planning? Really hope he gets to do that.

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Relentlessly entertaining - 20/5/2012 5:20:28 PM

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Wow, just watched this film and I am floored by it. The action was relentless; I was gripped throughout. The fact that there were no annoying Hollywoodisms (e.g. get the girl, keep the bad guy alive, boring filler, etc) was what I liked best about it. Economical in budget and in narrative - it was at a whirlwind pace.

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Disappointing - 20/5/2012 6:36:49 PM

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This film suffers from the frenzied support of reviews in the national press. Burdened with such high expectations the only way is down. And sadly, down it went.

The film has many problems, among which include: practically no set design; a narrative that reads like a story from a teenage boy; unnecessary barbed wire-like music accompanying all fight scenes; over-choreographed fights to the point of absurdity; ridiculous henchmen (Mad Dog's risible feeble stature); and a desperate hope, which is evident in almost every scene, that ultra-violence and uber-grunting will be enough to stun audiences into submission and to respond in faux admiration.

I like action films but there was nothing in this film for me. Total wank.

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RE: Disappointing - 20/5/2012 8:22:13 PM

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Saw this today after looking forward to it for a long time and...i was slightly disappointed with the film.I love hard core old school action films and while the fight scenes are brilliantly staged the film is rather slow to get going and is in fact rather boring in places.The plot (such as it is) is rather predictable and could have used some humour.Action classics like Die Hard and Hard Boiled are laugh out loud funny in places and this took itself rather too seriously.

It sound like im being harsh on the film but i did enjoy it and glad i saw it.The final three way fight scene is one of the best iv ever seen but maybe the hype over the last few months raised my expectations too much.A good solid action film but nowhere near the heights of Hard Boiled and Die Hard.

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RE: Disappointing - 20/5/2012 8:24:40 PM

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Obviously not to your taste then. Me? I could watch Silat for hours

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RE: Disappointing - 20/5/2012 8:49:53 PM

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I am not sure where these boring bits were in the film - saw it again today, and there is maybe two/three moments for characters to catch their breath, but it really is relentless.

I am not sure I agree that for an action film to be one of the greats it needs a sense of humour. The Raid is really streamlined, and goes for maxmimum value in action. I would guess that Evans would have been concerned the jokes wouldn't translate and weigh the film down.

Sometimes I like humour in my action, and sometimes I like action in my action. But each to their own!

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RE: Disappointing - 20/5/2012 8:56:26 PM

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I guess its because i found the film rather dull and one note in places.Even just a little humour would have livened things up a bit.Thats part of what made Hard Boiled and Die Hard so special.

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RE: Disappointing - 20/5/2012 9:57:31 PM

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Highly entertaining but not in the same league as 'Die Hard' or 'Hard Boiled'. The film only really got going for me once the guns were taken out of the equation - up to that I thought things were fairly pedestrian but once the hand-to-hand stuff started up I'd a huge grin on my face until the final credits rolled. The fight scenes were really brutal and the audience I saw it with gasped and giggled excitedly as the violence escalated. A great Friday night flick but perhaps not the action classic advance word suggested.

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RE: The Raid - 20/5/2012 10:29:00 PM

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Went to see this Friday afternoon in Limerick, there were 5 other people in the cinema (all male) but it was a 2pm screening so I wasn't expecting/hoping for a large crowd.

For me, the real superstar in this movie is Rama (Iko Uwais), who was introduced as a newbie special force in the team. Fantastic martial art movements, which is traditional martial art called Pencak Silat from Indonesia truly filled this movie with wowing watcher's experience. Fast moves, intense close combat and his knife play in combat successfully increased my adrenalin. The best part of Iko was when He's about to face several people alone in a hallway. That was obviously cool. I think Iko plays the part like Jason Statham (fighting) and Steven Seagal (with his knife) but only better. The Raid was rained with bloodbath. It's actually one of the few films in Ireland to receive an "18" certificate, most films that would have received an 18's now get a 16's, but unlike the US, the 18 certificate has no stigma like the NC-17 or X rating has.

The other character that stole my attention was this man called Mad Dog (Yayan Ruhian). In my opinion, it'll be difficult to find this kind of man in this world. His expression and fighting style was stunning.

When I watch movies, I always intensely wait for the twists. The Raid doesn't give so many twists but it still has enough twist that improve the story. Still this is a nicely written story. Simple idea but creatively developed.

At first, I thought it'll be a one man show where Rama played the whole part of fighting till the end. But I was wrong. The Raid gives fair proportion to fighters in this movie. Rama isn't the only one that showed a great fight against the enemy in this movie. There're the sarge, Andi, the last cop in control room.

Even though the budget is fair low, approximately $1.1 million, it is effectively spent into every department of the movie. Basic storyline, however, outplayed by convincing choreography from the casts. The Raid is a non-stop action from start to finish, let the final battle alone is near flawless. Absolutely impressive to keep audiences on the edge of their seats, even still breathless when the credit titles rolling. A must-see in the cinema to feel some rare "vibrant" experiences. Respectful Evans has deliberately sent the message towards international viewers that lesser-known Indonesian movie industry is about to change in the next few years.

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RE: Disappointing - 21/5/2012 10:41:04 AM

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Highly entertaining but not in the same league as 'Die Hard' or 'Hard Boiled'.

Sums it up for me - it's a great action film and needs to be seen, but it was not as groundbreaking as I had expected from the hype (although they rarely are, I should know this). As with a lot of eastern martial arts films some of the fight scenes go on a bit and start to come across as just too choreographed - I know this is a personal niggle, I've never been a huge chop-socky fan.
The last time I was oversold an action film to this degree was Face-Off (I've revisited this a few times and it gets worse on each viewing, I just don't get the love), but The Raid is a much stronger film than that thanks to it's low budget and claustrophobic setting...7/10 for me.

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RE: The Raid - 21/5/2012 10:53:02 AM

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Saw this last night, it's almost as great as you've heard.

Not much to say really, as action films go it's one of the best I've seen in a while and unlike something like Ong Bak, has more going for it than just decent fight sequences, it actually has some likeable characters and genuine tension.

Thoroughly recommended!

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RE: The Raid - 21/5/2012 11:51:41 AM

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I saw this on Friday past, and I can hand-on-heart say that it's the most crushingly disappointed I've been in a film for quite some time given the hype surrounding this.

I fail to see how this is a five star movie? Is it the action that is making this score so high? Granted, the athleticism on display is excellent, and the fights are very well choreographed (and brutal), but my God, did they drag! I love a good fight scene, but I frequently felt myself getting bored as some of the fight scenes seemed interminable. Fights aside, however, the film was lacking in any kind of proper characterisation and the plot, where the film had any, seems like it existed purely to chain one fight together with the next.

Perhaps some might think I'm 'missing the point', or whatever, but an action film (as far as I see it) requires you to empathise with the protagonist on at least some level if you are to root with him or her in any way. Rama's pregnant wife was seemingly included to let the audience know that he had something to lose, but it didn't engender any feelings of empathy for him in me, and I didn't really find myself rooting for him throughout. The revelation that he has a brother within the group he's trying to bring down didn't add any emotional punch either (for me at least). The script lacks any kind of zing, and the film could use a shot of some black humour, even if it was just the subtlest of undercurrents.

It is nice to see an action film that doesn't rely on brutal cutting, camerawork, and/or CGI to add punch *ahem* to the action on screen, but when everything other element of the film seems so sorely lacking, it just takes the fizzle out of everything else. It's been likened to Die Hard in how it gives the action genre a much needed shot in the arm, but the only similarity I can see there is that they both take place in a high-rise building.

2.5-3/5

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Awesome - 21/5/2012 10:55:19 PM

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I loved every minute. I think this review is spot on.

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RE: Awesome - 22/5/2012 8:10:34 AM

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Slight plot & characterisation, yet that really doesn't matter as they're facilitated purely for some breath-taking violence to occur that whilst gruesome, is never sadistic. A genuinely exciting experience that's brilliantly choreographed & directed, contains some proper badass antagonists (Mad Dog) and is far & away the best action film of 2012 so far. Immensely unhappy to hear it's getting the American remake treatment though.

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RE: Awesome - 22/5/2012 12:16:12 PM

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I think this is one of those rare times that a remake would be a good thing.Get Evans a decent budget and stunt team,and Shane Black to write the script and then wed be on to something.

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RE: Awesome - 22/5/2012 12:52:20 PM

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I think this is one of those rare times that a remake would be a good thing.Get Evans a decent budget and stunt team,and Shane Black to write the script and then wed be on to something.

Honestly if the biggest complaint you have is that it isn't Die Hard, I think the movie is doing alright. Surely we should welcome action movies of all different shapes and sizes? What worked for some films, won't for others. The Raid is designed to be lean, mean fighting machine.

Also what the heck was wrong with the stunts?

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RE: Awesome - 22/5/2012 1:44:38 PM

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I think this is one of those rare times that a remake would be a good thing.Get Evans a decent budget and stunt team,and Shane Black to write the script and then wed be on to something.

Despite the fact that the stunts and low budget are exactly what makes this film so great. The last thing we need is another expensive Hollywood remake of a foreign classic just to please dumb audiences who cant/wont read subtitles.

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RE: Awesome - 23/5/2012 6:50:16 PM

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I did enjoy it. The fighting was terrific, the pace was relentless and the film avoided many Hollywood cliches. But I woudnt't say it's as good as the hype. There wasn't enough variety in the fights for me and some of the camerawork was awful [though some of it, oddly, was very good] as if the film either had two directors or two cameramen], and made me feel sick. Still good stuff though. A US remake won't be nearly as good, except maybe in the acting. I'd give it a solid 8.

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RE: Awesome - 23/5/2012 8:17:10 PM

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I think this is one of those rare times that a remake would be a good thing.Get Evans a decent budget and stunt team,and Shane Black to write the script and then wed be on to something.

Sorry to be blunt, Cool Breeze but you're talking shite, mate. Not about not liking the film as much as others, that's fine, but just the stuff about the remake. I saw this today and, while I don't think it's a 5 star instant classic, I did have a lot of fun with it. I think it's perfectly fine the way it is. And what the heck was wrong with the stunt team? They were amazing. What makes you think a US stunt team can do any better than the team that specialise in that particular style of martial arts?

The film is brutal with some delicious moments of dark humour through its nastiness. Bits like the way one guy lands when he falls off the balcony had me giggling even though, I knew it was wrong. But I think parts like that were intentional to get awkward little laughs out of the audience. I say no to the remake, it won't be as raw and I don't think it would be as good.

4/5

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No way a 5 star movie - 24/5/2012 12:28:25 AM

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Three and a bit at best. For Empire to compare to Die Hard (with a great central character and blend of humour) is wrong. This is a tense and action packed film but sorry, not a classic. Best in group action, some one on one fight scenes actually got boring - five minutes of orgasmic grunting and elbows to the face but little more than just action, it needed something else in there too - but didn't.
Quite amused that the trailers want you to not realise it is subtitled and maybe even think it is set in the US...

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RE: No way a 5 star movie - 24/5/2012 1:11:21 AM

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Saw it tonight, was surprised the Newcastle Under Lyme VUE were actually playing it. I really enjoyed it, as a martial arts flick I'd say I enjoyed it as much of Ong Bak, though the choreography was far more brutal. It perhaps wasn't the action movie everyone was talking about, but the premise was simple and effective, the hero was virtuous yet still capable of showing humanity, and the villains were well played.

I think my biggest criticism is that it was clearly sequel baiting, and perhaps didn't end on its own terms. All the same, I wouldn't say no to a sequel, which is already in the works.

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RE: No way a 5 star movie - 24/5/2012 8:00:51 AM

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Saw this last night. Certainly not a 5 star film, and nowhere near Die Hard or Hard Boiled, the comparisons are almost embarassing to be honest, but really great fun and brutal, very brutal.
As has been stated above, I was glad the fighting wasn't just centred around Rama, it shared it out very well and the final 3-way battle with Mad Dog (again, an immense performance - his fighting skills and general nastiness were the highlight for me) and his mate Andi was really well done, and - despite me reading this a few times - certainly not dragged out (IMO)

My critisisms have been more eloquently put by Filmfan2 above, in that the emotional content (pregnant wife and then that ridiculous brother revelation) just looked like hasty decisions IMO. While you would have normally expected a bit of a surprise, I got the feeling the cinema were all thinking in unison "ok, it's his brother, so fucking what, let's get back to the fighting"

I dont mind a twist or emotional content, even in a brutal action film, but it was just so wrong for the film IMO.

Still, if you want to see punches and kicks that look real, lots of stabbing and slashing, bullets ripping through people, jaw dropping fight scenes and lots of blokes picking up their assailants just so they can give them even more of a battering, you can't go far wrong with this film.
4/5

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RE: No way a 5 star movie - 24/5/2012 9:28:58 AM

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Saw this last night. Certainly not a 5 star film, and nowhere near Die Hard or Hard Boiled, the comparisons are almost embarassing to be honest, but really great fun and brutal, very brutal.
As has been stated above, I was glad the fighting wasn't just centred around Rama, it shared it out very well and the final 3-way battle with Mad Dog (again, an immense performance - his fighting skills and general nastiness were the highlight for me) and his mate Andi was really well done, and - despite me reading this a few times - certainly not dragged out (IMO)

My critisisms have been more eloquently put by Filmfan2 above, in that the emotional content (pregnant wife and then that ridiculous brother revelation) just looked like hasty decisions IMO. While you would have normally expected a bit of a surprise, I got the feeling the cinema were all thinking in unison "ok, it's his brother, so fucking what, let's get back to the fighting" I dont mind a twist or emotional content, even in a brutal action film, but it was just so wrong for the film IMO.

Still, if you want to see punches and kicks that look real, lots of stabbing and slashing, bullets ripping through people, jaw dropping fight scenes and lots of blokes picking up their assailants just so they can give them even more of a battering, you can't go far wrong with this film.
4/5

To be fair - that is what the film pretty much did. It was a short scene, and then yes, they got back to the fighting.

As for this "Well its not Die Hard..." - when did these things become zero sum games? Does The Raid either have to be as good as Die Hard or be a massive disappointment? Can it not just be a really well done action movie which barely lets up in its 100 mins runtime and one of the best films of its type in recent years?

It isn't trying to be Die Hard, it isn't trying to be Hard Boiled. To say that film isn't as good as those two is suggesting the film wanted you to draw those comparisons.

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RE: No way a 5 star movie - 24/5/2012 9:33:55 AM

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SPOILERS

Saw this last night. Certainly not a 5 star film, and nowhere near Die Hard or Hard Boiled, the comparisons are almost embarassing to be honest, but really great fun and brutal, very brutal.
As has been stated above, I was glad the fighting wasn't just centred around Rama, it shared it out very well and the final 3-way battle with Mad Dog (again, an immense performance - his fighting skills and general nastiness were the highlight for me) and his mate Andi was really well done, and - despite me reading this a few times - certainly not dragged out (IMO)

My critisisms have been more eloquently put by Filmfan2 above, in that the emotional content (pregnant wife and then that ridiculous brother revelation) just looked like hasty decisions IMO. While you would have normally expected a bit of a surprise, I got the feeling the cinema were all thinking in unison "ok, it's his brother, so fucking what, let's get back to the fighting" I dont mind a twist or emotional content, even in a brutal action film, but it was just so wrong for the film IMO.

Still, if you want to see punches and kicks that look real, lots of stabbing and slashing, bullets ripping through people, jaw dropping fight scenes and lots of blokes picking up their assailants just so they can give them even more of a battering, you can't go far wrong with this film.
4/5

To be fair - that is what the film pretty much did. It was a short scene, and then yes, they got back to the fighting.

As for this "Well its not Die Hard..." - when did these things become zero sum games? Does The Raid either have to be as good as Die Hard or be a massive disappointment? Can it not just be a really well done action movie which barely lets up in its 100 mins runtime and one of the best films of its type in recent years?

It isn't trying to be Die Hard, it isn't trying to be Hard Boiled. To say that film isn't as good as those two is suggesting the film wanted you to draw those comparisons.

To be fair the verdict in the Empire review is "Remember your first time with Hard Boiled? Die Hard?", so comparisons are inevitable.

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RE: No way a 5 star movie - 24/5/2012 9:39:01 AM

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Well they are making that comparison - the film itself isn't. It isn't like all those Die Hard knock offs for example.

Although I do think it is a classic in the making, I also don't think it will tap into pop culture the same way Die Hard and Hard Boiled did. But that is ok.

Needless to say I can't wait to see what Evans does next - I am sure we can all agree he shoots action really well.

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