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I want more life !!! - 24/4/2012 2:38:34 PM   
donethinking


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 For Bladerunner fans should the line have stayed as fucker or father ? I personally i prefer the original, Rutger Hauer prefers it that way too!.....i know father is more subtle and all that but fucker was said and it comes across in Rutgers face that he meant it....by dubbing father over it, it doesnt look 100% as theres no trace of irony or anything in Rutgers performance..

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RE: I want more life !!! - 24/4/2012 6:03:07 PM   
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 Yes. It WAS Father originally and Fucker was dubbed over it, not the other way round. Fucker sounds more menacing, but Father is better for the scene, given the 'Frankenstein's Monster confronting his creator' parallels.

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RE: I want more life !!! - 24/4/2012 6:24:04 PM   
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"Father" works better in the Frankenstein/God context of the story...and on a personal level that single swear-word always sat uncomfortably with me since it's the only "fuck" in the film (isn't it?), stuck out like a sore thumb and therefore seemed out of place.


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RE: I want more life !!! - 24/4/2012 6:41:54 PM   
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 definately "Father". All day long. It is small, almost incidental, elements like this that raise a movie from the very good to the classic arena. Instead of making the scene more aggressive, or intimidating it raises it to something more...mythic. Grandiose. Ala the Frankenstiens Monster parallel mentioned above.

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RE: I want more life !!! - 24/4/2012 8:14:54 PM   
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Yes. It WAS Father originally and Fucker was dubbed over it, not the other way round. Fucker sounds more menacing, but Father is better for the scene, given the 'Frankenstein's Monster confronting his creator' parallels.


Thats news to me! whats your source may i ask ?

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RE: I want more life !!! - 25/4/2012 1:00:08 AM   
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 Father works much better than fucker.

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RE: I want more life !!! - 25/4/2012 9:43:15 AM   
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 Looks like i'm in the minority in here at least....i think father sounds rather flaccid...I mean hes asking for more life here not a bag of sweets!!

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RE: I want more life !!! - 25/4/2012 10:43:47 AM   
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quote:

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Yes. It WAS Father originally and Fucker was dubbed over it, not the other way round. Fucker sounds more menacing, but Father is better for the scene, given the 'Frankenstein's Monster confronting his creator' parallels.


Thats news to me! whats your source may i ask ?



I'm sure I read it somewhere, can't remember where, but in the 'workprint' cut of the film, with temporary music and prior to the addition of the voiceover, it is Father, and the voiceover version has Fucker. Ergo, father first.



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RE: I want more life !!! - 25/4/2012 11:27:28 AM   
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In the scripts that are online it's "fucker"....

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RE: I want more life !!! - 25/4/2012 12:36:57 PM   
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 Well i'll be !! I guess years of hearing "fucker" lead me to think that was the original line...no doubt if father was what i was used to hearing i might have preferred that

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RE: I want more life !!! - 25/4/2012 12:50:42 PM   
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 I also had the impression that Father was first, and then Fucker was dubbed over afterwards.

Personally, Father works much better within the context of the story and the big themes within the film.

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RE: I want more life !!! - 25/4/2012 12:55:38 PM   
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 Another Vote for Father. Fucker seems cheap and really doesn't seem compatible with Batty's personality. Father makes that moment so much more.

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RE: I want more life !!! - 25/4/2012 2:33:33 PM   
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I agree with general consensus that "Father" actually fits the mood better.

Having had a quick look at the script the scene is written with lines like:

"Batty looks up at "Father" Tyrell, Tyrell is swelling with pride."

And another thing; I always found that Hauer's delivery of the line was quite srangulated, it always sounded kind of like he was saying "Fucker" but it could have been "Father". It's almost like the way Hans Gruber says "Yippe-kay-ay Maadder Faaaker" near the end of Die Hard.

The re-dubbed "father" on the final cut works much better.



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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 3:48:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: donethinking

For Bladerunner fans should the line have stayed as fucker or father ? I personally i prefer the original, Rutger Hauer prefers it that way too!.....i know father is more subtle and all that but fucker was said and it comes across in Rutgers face that he meant it....by dubbing father over it, it doesnt look 100% as theres no trace of irony or anything in Rutgers performance..

Thoughts BR fans ?



Unquestionably it should have remained 'fucker'. Father is far too on the nose. The harshness in contrast to the rest of the scene is what worked so well in the original.

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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 7:27:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: King of Kafiristan


quote:

ORIGINAL: donethinking

For Bladerunner fans should the line have stayed as fucker or father ? I personally i prefer the original, Rutger Hauer prefers it that way too!.....i know father is more subtle and all that but fucker was said and it comes across in Rutgers face that he meant it....by dubbing father over it, it doesnt look 100% as theres no trace of irony or anything in Rutgers performance..

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Unquestionably it should have remained 'fucker'.


Surely given the difference of opinion already displayed it is far from "unquestionable"?

Personally I'm undecided. I always thought "fucker" seemed a little incongruous somehow. "Father" may be more appropriate given the context but it just grates me hearing it because on so many previous viewings it was something else. Even with good intentions these dialogue changes, no matter how small, don't sit well with me. coughcoughLucascoughcough....

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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 10:12:27 AM   
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its got to be 'fucker'- roy really turns up the heat on tyrell at that moment when he says those words.

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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 12:36:55 PM   
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Surely given the difference of opinion already displayed it is far from "unquestionable"?



If you look on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjbAgwdBaTI there seems to be more people in favour of 'fucker' than father.

In fact I think i'll get sony vegas pro out and re-dub 'fucker' over father on my Bluray Final Cut Rip (yes I bought it box set and all)

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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 1:01:07 PM   
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Surely given the difference of opinion already displayed it is far from "unquestionable"?



If you look on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjbAgwdBaTI there seems to be more people in favour of 'fucker' than father.



Yes, but most of the people who comment on youtube are morons, aren't they?

I've always liked the fact that you can't clearly make out if Batty is saying 'fucker' or 'father' in that scene in any version of the film. It's like the way Hauer played it was to elucidate more on Batty's internal dichotomy through the struggle to say a simple word - there is both respect for his creator, tinged with the rash hatred of a child who feels cheated by his parents. That's what makes it a wonderful scene; Hauer coming to terms with his humanity. Not whether he says fucker or father.


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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 1:09:42 PM   
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Yes, but most of the people who comment on youtube are morons, aren't they?

I've always liked the fact that you can't clearly make out if Batty is saying 'fucker' or 'father' in that scene in any version of the film. It's like the way Hauer played it was to elucidate more on Batty's internal dichotomy through the struggle to say a simple word - there is both respect for his creator, tinged with the rash hatred of a child who feels cheated by his parents. That's what makes it a wonderful scene; Hauer coming to terms with his humanity. Not whether he says fucker or father.




It depends where you look, I'd reckon most people watching a Bladerunner clip wont, on the whole, be morons...also by the same token a lot of worthy types have a propencity to waffle pretentious bollocks!! present company excluded of course!

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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 1:52:30 PM   
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This thread is filth.

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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 2:10:24 PM   
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This thread is filth.


No I'm sure it's "Father" or "Fucker", but not Father-fucker, that would be filth!

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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 2:27:48 PM   
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It's the extensive use of the word Fucker I was getting at really

I haven't seen this film in years, bizarrely this thread has given me the urge to do so more than any other.

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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 3:07:55 PM   
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 Now that I've thought about it I think Batty should've called him "muddy-funster".

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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 3:12:21 PM   
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Now that I've thought about it I think Batty should've called him "muddy-funster".


 Only if Deckard had had fun with his wife though!!!


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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 3:48:50 PM   
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 I think I mentioned this before somehwhere that the word 'fucker'' makes it sound more shocking, because it seemed out of character for him esp. With his 'tears in the rain' speech later on; and quoting William Blake earlier on. So Roy is an old romantic/ poet at heart (in total contrast to Deckards character of course). Hence him uttering those words 'I want more life FUCKER' made it seem all the more shocking!

We already know the father son relation or allegory, becuase Tyrell even refers to Batty as 'the prodigal son'. To be honest I dont mind 'father' but 'fucker' makes him more menacing. And matches perfectly to the look on Tyrell's face when this is uttered.


So 'fucker' for me it is!

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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 3:50:48 PM   
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Now that I've thought about it I think Batty should've called him "muddy-funster".


 Only if Deckard had had fun with his wife though!!!




I wonder if anyone but us old fuckers will get those two references...

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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 3:54:30 PM   
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Now that I've thought about it I think Batty should've called him "muddy-funster".


 Only if Deckard had had fun with his wife though!!!




I wonder if anyone but us old fuckers will get those two references...


Less of the "old", cake-sucker!

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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 4:03:11 PM   
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Now that I've thought about it I think Batty should've called him "muddy-funster".


 Only if Deckard had had fun with his wife though!!!




I wonder if anyone but us old fuckers will get those two references...


Old funsters surely!

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RE: I want more life !!! - 26/4/2012 6:47:41 PM   
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RE: I want more life !!! - 27/4/2012 2:54:34 AM   
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For Bladerunner fans should the line have stayed as fucker or father ? I personally i prefer the original, Rutger Hauer prefers it that way too!.....i know father is more subtle and all that but fucker was said and it comes across in Rutgers face that he meant it....by dubbing father over it, it doesnt look 100% as theres no trace of irony or anything in Rutgers performance..

Thoughts BR fans ?



Unquestionably it should have remained 'fucker'.


Surely given the difference of opinion already displayed it is far from "unquestionable"?

Personally I'm undecided. I always thought "fucker" seemed a little incongruous somehow. "Father" may be more appropriate given the context but it just grates me hearing it because on so many previous viewings it was something else. Even with good intentions these dialogue changes, no matter how small, don't sit well with me. coughcoughLucascoughcough....


I just happen to think I'm 100% right. I don't expect everyone else to agree with me:)

There was clearly a father son dynamic at play throughout the scene, but I liked that when push came to shove, Batty tosses that aside, and though you expect the word to be 'father', he just essentially flat out says "what the fuck do you think I want????"

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