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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 11:34:08 AM   
Dirk Miggler


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quote:

ORIGINAL: piginapoke

i concur with the statements that it wasn't as good as everyone makes it out to be, 3 out of 5. Lack of focus,lack of empathy for characters, rather weak enemy and a feeling of lack of control about it didn't make me warm to this film by numbers movie.

Commendable job though in getting the characters together with enough exposition for people who've not seen the previous films, and The Avengers felt like a match for each other when they had their squabbles with each other but I didn't warm to it.

Part of me didn't take to it when I saw the method of aliens arrival on Earth, very similar to a cliffhanger episode of CGI kid's programme ReBoot (Web World Wars) but not as good.

Being an aircraft geek my first glance at those planes on the helicarrier didn't help either. Harriers in service with JSF?, Alphajets? WTF? No F-18s, UCAV ?? Someone didn't do their research for the film or maybe Shield spent their entire black project budget on those four wacking great big propellers).

And why bother making quite an impressive looking CGI vehicle go invisible?
Why didn't Scarlet keep using the aliens guns. I'd use them over a hand pistol anyday.

Some snippets of the film were overplayed, Coulsons death/mourning, Hulk/Harry Dean Stanton.

And why bother having any scenes of drama rescuing civilians (i.e. the bus in New York) when entire skyscrapers are being levelled without a thought for the civilians in them. Maybe better to have a better use of drama/feeling by having an Avenger in trouble being rescued by another (Black Widow being rescued by Hawkeye or Hulk?)

Note to Nick Fury and Hawkeye. When someone says that an object of incredible energy potential is starting to overload/spike (or whatever it was doing), don't stand mere feet away from it. Health and Safety would have a field day.

Loved the saucy reference by Loki in Loki/BW scene.

Loki was best character although Brucer Banner was good too. RDJ is annoying me now.

Best laugh. Hulk's response to Loki being a God.





How's about a spoiler warning, fcks sake !

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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 11:53:08 AM   
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Since I've known my boyfriend (beginning of 2010) He has done nothing but talk about this movie. I have been made to go see both Thor and Captain American and have been made to sit through multiple viewings of all five of the run-up films. I've seen them all at least twice now. Even though this has been a massive part of my boyfriends life for four years, I was surprised by how unaffected I was by the hype. I really wasn't excited at all.

I really should've been. It is a complete blast. It is very well paced and at no point did I feel like it was dragging, I enjoyed every single second of it. The re-introductions of the four mains were done very well (I thought Banners was a bit rushed and not enough was said about his resistance to being a part of civilised society but I suppose thats a whole film in itself). The supporting cast was also bloody brilliant. One of my favourite characters has always been Agent Coulson (I like to bug my bf by calling him Special Agent Casper, one for the West Wing fans!) and I was glad to see him get so much screen time and a little bit of a back story.

The humour only slighted bugged me. It is one of my main bugbears about the Iron Man films, but I can understand why its there cause Tony Stark is such a playboy. Out of all the mains he annoyed me the most. I think it is just the character though as he was always slightly irritating in his own movies and with most of the humour coming from him it didn't bother me too much. My favourite funny bits mostly included Hulk (in particular one featuring Thor and Hulk).

Bruce Banner/Hulk was stand out here. People have been saying it is the best Hulk film and it definitely is. He is giving enough screen time to be able to show he still has demons but not too much that it clogged down the story. There is still a lot of room for a Hulk film and with Mark Ruffalo looking so comfortable in the role I would say it would be a very good movie indeed.

All in all, I really enjoyed it and it surprised me.

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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 12:07:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dirk Miggler

How's about a spoiler warning, fcks sake !


Spoilers are fair game in review threads though, right?

With that in mind...SPOILERS

quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols

One of my favourite characters has always been Agent Coulson (I like to bug my bf by calling him Special Agent Casper, one for the West Wing fans!) and I was glad to see him get so much screen time and a little bit of a back story.


I think it was a testament to the character that his death was so affecting. My missus was incredibly shocked when it happened. END SPOILERS

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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 1:00:08 PM   
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Not sure but seen as comments from this thread are underneath the empire film review on the main site I would have thought not. Anyway its not exactly hard to type spoilers" before a paragraph.

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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 4:12:52 PM   
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Great fun. Just got back and I loved it. A few things below I'll put the first in inviso text just in case anyone stumbels on in here as it goes into heavy spoilers!!!

- Coulson. It had to be him I suppose but he went out like a champ. Although I don't think he's dead. They can easily get around it.

- Shocked by Black Window. Was lukewarm at best with her in Iron Man 2. Thought S.J. really came into the role in this film. She rocked quite simply.

- Hawkeye was awesome but woefully underused.

-Tony and Thor were fantastic. Very funny.

- Honestly I felt Cap fell into the background. Was not a fan of the costume either.

- Hulk stole the entire movie. Just amazeing. If Marvel had any sense they'd fast track a Hulk movie with Ruffalo starring asap.

A note on spoilers. If it's in the review thread I think anything should be able to be discussed without spoiler warnings. It's a thread for people to talk about the film after it's been released. You're putting your own self at risk by coming into a review thread if you've not seen the film.

< Message edited by The REAL Bozz -- 30/4/2012 4:15:13 PM >


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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 4:24:24 PM   
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I was initially very wary of Avengers making it to the big screen. This was mostly due to the varying degrees of success bringing the Marvel Movies to the screen. The original Iron Man was a good, but flawed, fun movie, but it's follow up was really pretty poor. The Incredible Hulk was pretty average, as was Captain America and Thor. One thing I never really liked was the almost real world setting of Iron Man being pulled into this overly comic book world of aliens and other worlds, with magic/science seemingly the root of everything. However, the latter stages of Avengers marketing was starting to work, before going into overdrive in recent weeks, which started to kill off my interest again. However, I did a re-watch of Captain America and Thor the other week, and it was, surprisingly, Thor that really made up my mind about seeing Avengers. For some reason, the rewatch of it resonated and I found myself really enjoying parts (mostly the Asgard/Loki stuff). So, hearing good things I went along to see Avengers with the missus last Thursday. So, the Imax is sold out and we decided on a 2D showing, which was almost sold out (it was a 5.20pm showing) and for the first time since The Dark Knight there was a definate buzz in the audience.

So, after the movie, I'm pleased to say I enjoyed it. A lot. However, it is far from the masterpiece many seem to be calling it. It's definately a flawed film, but one that brushes them aside with it's sense of fun and pace.

The performances were all pertty great, with RDJ standing out for me, simply because he seems to have dialled back the crazy, bringing Stark back to the fast and fun genius of the original, rather than the OTT dick head of its sequel. Tom Hiddleston is good as the villain and the Avengers themselves all get their moment to shine as characters. The only person that felt like a pointless add on was Sam Jackson as Nick Fury, again just delivering everything as Sam Jackson and never really coming across as a character. The effects were mostly great, the scale is appropriately huge, the script is fun and the film is paced near perfectly, with the ac tion jumping in at the perfect moments to break up the one major flaw.... the plot.

I might get spoilery.....

Now, much was made in some interviews that Avengers would stand on it's own and people could easily understand what was happening and why without having seen the build up movies. This is bullshit. I've seen the all, some just days in advance, and there were elements that made no fucking sense. The overall story is pretty straight forward, Loki wants to rule Earth so he makes a deal with some aliens to take over by leading the alien army invasion. He promises the aliens he will deliver the Tesseract in return. What never really makes any sense is why he needs Stark Tower as the entry point for the invasion (something to do with unlimited energy from Starks building?), also, what is his plan for Hulk, it's clear Hulk is part of Loki's plan, but what does he want him to do? Loki is returned to earth by SHIELD doing the experiments with the Tesseract (I think) and he steals it, using SHIELD agents as mind controlled allies, he starts experiements on the Tesseract which confirm he needs the source of power from Stark Tower, fine, makes sense... so why the fuck is he in Germany? What was that all about?! Made no sense, he's just there stealing something (i think) and as the Avengers are now recruited they track him down there and we get the first real action scene and it's all good, and it's exciting and well handled and edited and well performed, but it makes no sense. So, Thor shows up and we get more action and more plot (at this point, if you haven't seen Thor you have no chance of knowing what is happening) and SHIELD have Loki in custody and the Tesseract is presumably still with the scientist, and Loki is using Hulk to escape (i think) and theres more action.... The film kinda jumps along in this fashion all the way, the plot is there and it isnt really making much sense so we break it up with a big action scene and from there were on to the next bit of plot that doesnt make sense. Like I say, it's great fun, well made, performed well, edited well, with a good (although forgettable) score, but it doesnt seem to have a well thought out plot at all, I still dont know what the trip to Germany was for/.?! By the time Loki and his alien army arrive for the finale I had just given up on the story, I was happy to just watch the action unfold, and that extended finale is great, although somewhat spoiled by the clips released in advance. There is some great, great comic book moments and it is by far the best Marvel movie, despite its piss poor plot. It's a really good solid bit of entertainment, but I dont understand the hype that seems to suggest this is the kind of movie to go down in history - one review suggesting it could have the same cultural impact as Jaws, Star Wars or LOTR!

It's good stuff, and I'll look forward to re-watching it, the audience was having a great time with it too so I suspect repeat viewing s will help take this into Dark Knight Box Office territory, possibly beyond. A good time, but definately flawed.

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Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - 30/4/2012 5:37:35 PM   
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saw it today, went for 2D as recommended by empire podcast. superb film, brilliantly made, action and humour in equal mix (spoiler? check out the very very funny scene betweeen Hulk and Loki near the end, as funny as any scene in any comedy film) great effects, balanced screen time for all the characters- Wheedon will finally get the status he deserves! go see it!!!

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Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - 30/4/2012 5:40:03 PM   
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saw it today, went for 2D as recommended by empire podcast. superb film, brilliantly made, action and humour in equal mix (spoiler? check out the very very funny scene betweeen Hulk and Loki near the end, as funny as any scene in any comedy film) great effects, balanced screen time for all the characters- Wheedon will finally get the status he deserves! go see it!!!

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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 6:11:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

I might get spoilery.....

Now, much was made in some interviews that Avengers would stand on it's own and people could easily understand what was happening and why without having seen the build up movies. This is bullshit. I've seen the all, some just days in advance, and there were elements that made no fucking sense. The overall story is pretty straight forward, Loki wants to rule Earth so he makes a deal with some aliens to take over by leading the alien army invasion. He promises the aliens he will deliver the Tesseract in return. What never really makes any sense is why he needs Stark Tower as the entry point for the invasion (something to do with unlimited energy from Starks building?), also, what is his plan for Hulk, it's clear Hulk is part of Loki's plan, but what does he want him to do? Loki is returned to earth by SHIELD doing the experiments with the Tesseract (I think) and he steals it, using SHIELD agents as mind controlled allies, he starts experiements on the Tesseract which confirm he needs the source of power from Stark Tower, fine, makes sense... so why the fuck is he in Germany? What was that all about?! Made no sense, he's just there stealing something (i think) and as the Avengers are now recruited they track him down there and we get the first real action scene and it's all good, and it's exciting and well handled and edited and well performed, but it makes no sense. So, Thor shows up and we get more action and more plot (at this point, if you haven't seen Thor you have no chance of knowing what is happening) and SHIELD have Loki in custody and the Tesseract is presumably still with the scientist, and Loki is using Hulk to escape (i think) and theres more action.... The film kinda jumps along in this fashion all the way, the plot is there and it isnt really making much sense so we break it up with a big action scene and from there were on to the next bit of plot that doesnt make sense. Like I say, it's great fun, well made, performed well, edited well, with a good (although forgettable) score, but it doesnt seem to have a well thought out plot at all, I still dont know what the trip to Germany was for/.?! By the time Loki and his alien army arrive for the finale I had just given up on the story, I was happy to just watch the action unfold, and that extended finale is great, although somewhat spoiled by the clips released in advance. There is some great, great comic book moments and it is by far the best Marvel movie, despite its piss poor plot.



A confusing, piss poor plot that made no sense??? Did you watch the film or just fade in and out? Loki's plan for the Hulk is for Banner to lose control and go on a rampage, causing as much damage and chaos as possible. Which he does. He went to Germany to get Iridium, a rare chemical element that Selvig needed to stabilise the Tesseract. Possessed Hawkeye tells him that he needs a distraction so that's why Loki goes on a bit of rampage and then allows himself to be captured so he can manipulate the Avengers from the inside.

Avengers is a great film but its hardly got a complex plot, if you had trouble following this then I hate to think what you would make of something that actually required some engagement.

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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 6:16:33 PM   
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I did a video review of The Avengers which I watched on opening night with my girlfriend. I'll cut to the chase... we both loved it!

http://youtu.be/l3uCPag_Nzc

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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 6:21:41 PM   
Spaldron


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vadersville


quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

I might get spoilery.....

Now, much was made in some interviews that Avengers would stand on it's own and people could easily understand what was happening and why without having seen the build up movies. This is bullshit. I've seen the all, some just days in advance, and there were elements that made no fucking sense. The overall story is pretty straight forward, Loki wants to rule Earth so he makes a deal with some aliens to take over by leading the alien army invasion. He promises the aliens he will deliver the Tesseract in return. What never really makes any sense is why he needs Stark Tower as the entry point for the invasion (something to do with unlimited energy from Starks building?), also, what is his plan for Hulk, it's clear Hulk is part of Loki's plan, but what does he want him to do? Loki is returned to earth by SHIELD doing the experiments with the Tesseract (I think) and he steals it, using SHIELD agents as mind controlled allies, he starts experiements on the Tesseract which confirm he needs the source of power from Stark Tower, fine, makes sense... so why the fuck is he in Germany? What was that all about?! Made no sense, he's just there stealing something (i think) and as the Avengers are now recruited they track him down there and we get the first real action scene and it's all good, and it's exciting and well handled and edited and well performed, but it makes no sense. So, Thor shows up and we get more action and more plot (at this point, if you haven't seen Thor you have no chance of knowing what is happening) and SHIELD have Loki in custody and the Tesseract is presumably still with the scientist, and Loki is using Hulk to escape (i think) and theres more action.... The film kinda jumps along in this fashion all the way, the plot is there and it isnt really making much sense so we break it up with a big action scene and from there were on to the next bit of plot that doesnt make sense. Like I say, it's great fun, well made, performed well, edited well, with a good (although forgettable) score, but it doesnt seem to have a well thought out plot at all, I still dont know what the trip to Germany was for/.?! By the time Loki and his alien army arrive for the finale I had just given up on the story, I was happy to just watch the action unfold, and that extended finale is great, although somewhat spoiled by the clips released in advance. There is some great, great comic book moments and it is by far the best Marvel movie, despite its piss poor plot.



A confusing, piss poor plot that made no sense??? Did you watch the film or just fade in and out? Loki's plan for the Hulk is for Banner to lose control and go on a rampage, causing as much damage and chaos as possible. Which he does. He went to Germany to get Iridium, a rare chemical element that Selvig needed to stabilise the Tesseract. Possessed Hawkeye tells him that he needs a distraction so that's why Loki goes on a bit of rampage and then allows himself to be captured so he can manipulate the Avengers from the inside.

Avengers is a great film but its hardly got a complex plot, if you had trouble following this then I hate to think what you would make of something that actually required some engagement.


Bit harsh no?

For the record PT made some pretty fair assessments of the plot issues.

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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 7:13:15 PM   
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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 7:47:09 PM   
dolfinack

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vadersville


quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

I might get spoilery.....

Now, much was made in some interviews that Avengers would stand on it's own and people could easily understand what was happening and why without having seen the build up movies. This is bullshit. I've seen the all, some just days in advance, and there were elements that made no fucking sense. The overall story is pretty straight forward, Loki wants to rule Earth so he makes a deal with some aliens to take over by leading the alien army invasion. He promises the aliens he will deliver the Tesseract in return. What never really makes any sense is why he needs Stark Tower as the entry point for the invasion (something to do with unlimited energy from Starks building?), also, what is his plan for Hulk, it's clear Hulk is part of Loki's plan, but what does he want him to do? Loki is returned to earth by SHIELD doing the experiments with the Tesseract (I think) and he steals it, using SHIELD agents as mind controlled allies, he starts experiements on the Tesseract which confirm he needs the source of power from Stark Tower, fine, makes sense... so why the fuck is he in Germany? What was that all about?! Made no sense, he's just there stealing something (i think) and as the Avengers are now recruited they track him down there and we get the first real action scene and it's all good, and it's exciting and well handled and edited and well performed, but it makes no sense. So, Thor shows up and we get more action and more plot (at this point, if you haven't seen Thor you have no chance of knowing what is happening) and SHIELD have Loki in custody and the Tesseract is presumably still with the scientist, and Loki is using Hulk to escape (i think) and theres more action.... The film kinda jumps along in this fashion all the way, the plot is there and it isnt really making much sense so we break it up with a big action scene and from there were on to the next bit of plot that doesnt make sense. Like I say, it's great fun, well made, performed well, edited well, with a good (although forgettable) score, but it doesnt seem to have a well thought out plot at all, I still dont know what the trip to Germany was for/.?! By the time Loki and his alien army arrive for the finale I had just given up on the story, I was happy to just watch the action unfold, and that extended finale is great, although somewhat spoiled by the clips released in advance. There is some great, great comic book moments and it is by far the best Marvel movie, despite its piss poor plot.



A confusing, piss poor plot that made no sense??? Did you watch the film or just fade in and out? Loki's plan for the Hulk is for Banner to lose control and go on a rampage, causing as much damage and chaos as possible. Which he does. He went to Germany to get Iridium, a rare chemical element that Selvig needed to stabilise the Tesseract. Possessed Hawkeye tells him that he needs a distraction so that's why Loki goes on a bit of rampage and then allows himself to be captured so he can manipulate the Avengers from the inside.

Avengers is a great film but its hardly got a complex plot, if you had trouble following this then I hate to think what you would make of something that actually required some engagement.


I wasn't too fussed on the plot either.

3D was rubbish, way too dark. Most of it was Hulk and RDJ. And the characters were all too indestructible for there to be any real peril.

It was ok though. I suppose you can't get a fair assessment of a superhero film on a fanboy site like this, its all five stars and best film evs! It was enjoyable enough and 3/5 for me.


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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 7:49:42 PM   
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Hehehe. Glad I'm not the only one that made this typo when typing Widow. Tho I spotted mine before posting...


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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 8:16:35 PM   
porntrooper

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vadersville


quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

I might get spoilery.....

Now, much was made in some interviews that Avengers would stand on it's own and people could easily understand what was happening and why without having seen the build up movies. This is bullshit. I've seen the all, some just days in advance, and there were elements that made no fucking sense. The overall story is pretty straight forward, Loki wants to rule Earth so he makes a deal with some aliens to take over by leading the alien army invasion. He promises the aliens he will deliver the Tesseract in return. What never really makes any sense is why he needs Stark Tower as the entry point for the invasion (something to do with unlimited energy from Starks building?), also, what is his plan for Hulk, it's clear Hulk is part of Loki's plan, but what does he want him to do? Loki is returned to earth by SHIELD doing the experiments with the Tesseract (I think) and he steals it, using SHIELD agents as mind controlled allies, he starts experiements on the Tesseract which confirm he needs the source of power from Stark Tower, fine, makes sense... so why the fuck is he in Germany? What was that all about?! Made no sense, he's just there stealing something (i think) and as the Avengers are now recruited they track him down there and we get the first real action scene and it's all good, and it's exciting and well handled and edited and well performed, but it makes no sense. So, Thor shows up and we get more action and more plot (at this point, if you haven't seen Thor you have no chance of knowing what is happening) and SHIELD have Loki in custody and the Tesseract is presumably still with the scientist, and Loki is using Hulk to escape (i think) and theres more action.... The film kinda jumps along in this fashion all the way, the plot is there and it isnt really making much sense so we break it up with a big action scene and from there were on to the next bit of plot that doesnt make sense. Like I say, it's great fun, well made, performed well, edited well, with a good (although forgettable) score, but it doesnt seem to have a well thought out plot at all, I still dont know what the trip to Germany was for/.?! By the time Loki and his alien army arrive for the finale I had just given up on the story, I was happy to just watch the action unfold, and that extended finale is great, although somewhat spoiled by the clips released in advance. There is some great, great comic book moments and it is by far the best Marvel movie, despite its piss poor plot.



A confusing, piss poor plot that made no sense??? Did you watch the film or just fade in and out? Loki's plan for the Hulk is for Banner to lose control and go on a rampage, causing as much damage and chaos as possible. Which he does. He went to Germany to get Iridium, a rare chemical element that Selvig needed to stabilise the Tesseract. Possessed Hawkeye tells him that he needs a distraction so that's why Loki goes on a bit of rampage and then allows himself to be captured so he can manipulate the Avengers from the inside.

Avengers is a great film but its hardly got a complex plot, if you had trouble following this then I hate to think what you would make of something that actually required some engagement.


I was paying attention fine, and as these poorly plotted points came up, I noted that they were poorly handled, hence including them in the review. I didnt say it was confusing or complex, I was pretty clear in that overall story was simplistic in that it's a 'Loki attacks earth with an Alien Army' story. However, as plotting it is piss poor and a number of elements make no sense, not confusing, just lacking in sense.

I noted that Loki is in Germany stealing something, the reason I said "I think" was because it is so poorly presented within the story, it's never really clear what or why he needs that something. So, he needs 'Iridium' to stabalise the Tesseract? Why, was that ever explained? Why does he need to stabalise the Tesseract? It may have been explained during the scene with Loki and Selvig, but during that I was saying to myself "Where the fuck did Loki get all these servants from in such a short space of time?!". Why does stabalising the Tesseract have to happen? How does that element link into the fact he must use Stark Tower as the entry point for the invasion? Loki didnt enter at Stark Tower, so why now can the portal only open there? That, to me, is poor plotting, in that it doesn't really make any sense.

Loki means to get captured? Why? To manipulate from the inside? Why? Just steal what you need and get out! Even after his initial capture he essentially escapes while Thor, Cap and Iron Man fight, but he sits about and watches. Why? Just use your special magic skills to let them think you're there when you've really transported away!! No, he hangs around to be captured again, where he then plans to use Hulk to escape by having him smash the joint up? Really, is that what he's doing? If so,why the hell is he waiting for Hawkeye and his other men to show up? Why not just unleash Hulk and be done with it, without loosing the grip on Hawkeye in the process? Why have Hawkeye and his men show up if it's all about getting Hulk to break him out? It doesnt make much sense, other than allowing the action scene to play out in a bigger fashion.

The overall story is simplistic, but how that story is plotted and how it moves from A to B to C, is poor and in parts doesn't make sense. Avengers is poor in the way it is plotted, in my opinion. It's a flaw that is overcome by having such well played out action scenes, but the flaw exists. I also stand by the comment that if you have not seen any previous Marvel movie, Thor in particular, that you will have no chance to follow what happen in Avengers. As I say, I watched them recently and there are elements that either don't make sense, or are so poorly explained you would never be able to understand it without prior knowledge.



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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 9:50:50 PM   
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I suppose you can't get a fair assessment of a superhero film on a fanboy site like this, its all five stars and best film evs!



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RE: Avengers Assemble - 30/4/2012 10:44:35 PM   
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Hehehe. Glad I'm not the only one that made this typo when typing Widow. Tho I spotted mine before posting...



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RE: Avengers Assemble - 1/5/2012 12:41:50 AM   
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It was ok though. I suppose you can't get a fair assessment of a superhero film on a fanboy site like this, its all five stars and best film evs! It was enjoyable enough and 3/5 for me.



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RE: Avengers Assemble - 1/5/2012 1:12:19 AM   
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I think I just died and went to fanboy heaven.

The Avengers really is a dream come true. The superhero movie I’ve dreamt of since I was a kid but was impossible until the dawn of the digital era. (I was always disappointed that TV’s Not-So-Incredible Hulk never got to toss tanks around like they were toys the way he did in the comics!)

Witty, entertaining, but above all, fun, The Avengers is as cheerful and exuberent as the pre-Watchmen comics I used to enjoy and, if I’m honest, always preferred. I don’t know about you, but I’m tired of black leather-clad, “realistic” superheroes (an oxymoron if ever there was one) clearly ashamed of the colourful comic book origins they try to distance themselves from – faster than a speeding bullet.

But not Joss Whedon. He embraces them. When Nick Fury reassures the self-doubting Captain America that “People need a little old-fashioned,” there is little doubt the SHIELD director is channelling his director. Whedon is an unapologetic fanboy and The Avengers unashamedly sports its red, white, blue, green and gold with pride and is a better movie for it. Even if Chris Evans, in true Harrison Ford-style, does look awkward and embarrassed a lot of the time.

Just as Bryan (The Usual Suspects) Singer was the perfect director for a dour ensemble like X-Men (and was somewhat less than ideally suited to Superman Returns – a super stalker? Really!?!), Joss (Buffy/Firefly/Serenity) Whedon was the perfect, if not the only director for this Marvel mash-up.

Cos Whedon absolutely nails it! And it’s ALL about the characters. Tony Stark’s arrogance. Thor’s wounded pride. Bruce Banner’s studied bemusement. And Captain America’s sense of dislocation. But that’s always been Whedon’s secret weapon – relationships. And he’s spun a complex web of superbly well-drawn character dynamics here, especially between Banner and a surprisingly sympathetic Stark. There’s also a great running gag about these two geniuses (genii?) understanding each other’s blatant technob*ll*cks when no-one else does. Including Whedon himself probably.

But any fears that The Avengers would be Iron Man and His Amazing Friends, while understandable, were unfounded. Everyone gets a fair shake of the hammer here. Even the non-super and minor characters get a chance to shine and be heroic. (Including my personal favourite, the usually unflappable Agent Coulson, here sweetly reduced to a dribbling fanboy in the presence of Captain America.) Robert Downey Jnr’s Tony Stark still hogs the best zingers, especially when pricking Asgardian pomposity from “Shakespeare in the park” to “Doth mother know thou are wearing her drapes?” But I doubt any of the stars went home after the premier feeling short-changed or hard done by. Unlike, say, any X-Men stars whose names don’t rhyme with Huge Shark Fan.

Having said that, “Man” of The Match, surprisingly, is old Jade Jaws himself. After two false starts and as many actors, Whedon (and ILM) have finally got the Not-So-Jolly Green Giant right. Thanks in no small part to the man actually filling the purple pants (and mo-cap suit) this Hulk really is Incredible. And actually looks like his alter-ego for a change. He’s also very, very funny – most incredible of all, The Hulk gets THE funniest line in the whole film!

The cuddly and understated Mark Ruffalo (a much warmer screen presence than the somewhat aloof Edward Norton and frequently catatonic Eric Bana) is one of the best actors around as well as one of the best-kept secrets – check him out opposite Robert Downey Jnr again in David Fincher’s unacknowledged masterpiece, Zodiac! But when’s he going to star in a big screen adaptation of The Gruffalo? I can see the posters now – Mark Ruffalo IS The Gruffalo!

If The Hulk unexpectedly steals the entire movie from his less digitally enhanced team-mates, so does Tom Hiddleston’s Loki who oozes reptilian evil as only a privately educated posh British actor can. Banged-up like Hannibal Lecter channelling Alan Rickman, his verbal sparring with Samuel L Jackson’s Nick Fury is a witty delight – “Do let me know if ‘Real Power’ would like a magazine or something.” (EMPIRE definitely missed a golden product placement opportunity there, I think!)

He even gets to call Scarlet Johansson’s Black Widow something incredibly ungallant if appropriately Shakespearean (and probably archaic enough that the censors either missed it or thought it would go over young audiences’ heads). You don’t get that in the comics! There was nothing low key about this gloriously OTT performance. And with that smile, he should be a shoo-in for The Joker in any future Batman reboot…

Few genre writers do female characters as well as Whedon. And the Black Widow gets the best Buffy moments – her two “interrogation” scenes are highlights. Even the overrated Gwyneth Paltrow’s wan Pepper Potts is better served here than she has been hitherto. And with less screen time.

It really is a remarkable juggling act. I seriously doubt anyone else could have so deftly balanced pleasing the fanboys without baffling the punters. Did I say juggling act? More like juggling on a high (barbed) wire. Over a tank full of online sharks ready to strike at the first whiff of blood.

The Avengers is also surprisingly complex and layered for a summer blockbuster. Subtleties and ironies abound. There’s that literal hero shot at the end complete with surprisingly affecting allusions to 9/11 (which contrast with the earlier, darker allusions to certain 9/11 conspiracy theories).

There are a lot of subtly fanpleasing moments too. So subtle a lot of fans might miss them. (They tend to do that, you know - miss the point, I mean.) Whedon’s script playfully incorporates Hawkeye and The Black Widow’s comic book origins as villains while it transpires that Loki’s scheme is exactly the same as it was in the very first Avengers comic. Sort of. There are a lot of surprising and delightful cameos too. As well as the best Stan Lee gag yet!

But most fanpleasing of all is the inter-team rivalry – kinda inevitable with all that testosterone, supersoldier serum and gamma radiation flying around. Indeed, with all the playground argument resolving dust-ups – Iron Man V Thor, Thor V Hulk and Cap’s shield V Thor’s hammer(!), The Avengers is more entertaining when Earth’s Mightiest Heroes are fighting among themselves like a bunch of online fanboys.

So what if our heroes uniting in the final reel against an alien threat as faceless (and useless) as a bunch of battledroids maybe isn’t as entertaining as the bickering earlier, it still has its compensations: The Avengers finally assembling and fighting as a team; Captain America emerging as their natural leader; Iron Man showing his true colours at last; and The Hulk causing about $100 Million worth of structural damage saving him. Well, $100 Million more of structural damage.

This inevitably raises a few awkward questions. What do you suppose the death toll would be if something like this (or Transformers) actually happened in a densely populated area? Who cleans up the mess afterwards? And how come Hawkeye (almost) never runs out of arrows?

I’m nitpicking, of course. It’s not that kind of film. Nor should it be. I love Alan Moore, Frank Miller and Christopher Nolan’s Batflicks. But the superhero movie has been crying out for this kind of pure escapism. I think audiences have been crying out for it. If you want doom and gloom at the moment you only have to turn on the telly! Which means it’ll be interesting to see who wins the battle of the summer box office – The Avengers or The Dark Knight Rises

So Marvel’s Big Gamble has finally paid off. And a gamble it was. Who outside of fandom had ever heard of Iron Man? Who in their right mind ever thought Thor (the trickiest big screen proposition of all) would be anything other than an embarrassingly camp joke? And who thought Captain America’s boy scout heroics could be made to work for cynical modern audiences? He certainly didn’t!

Yet through a combination of inspired casting in front of and behind the cameras which the big studios would have been unlikely to even consider - Robert Downey Jnr? Gedouttahere! Kenneth Branagh? Fuggedaboutit! - the fledgling Marvel Studio has deservedly hit the jackpot. But Marvel’s Big Gamble didn’t just make good commercial sense, it made good storytelling sense too. Could you imagine what The Avengers would have been like without all those origin movies preceding it? Just how exposition laden (and leaden) it would have been?

So what next? Well there’s the customary fanteasing hint after the credits of what to expect in the inevitable sequel, of course – “The Other” my big green foot! But I’m looking forward to Robert Downey Jnr being reunited with his Kiss Kiss Bang Bang writer/director, Shane Black, for Iron Man 3. (Be nice if he could reunite with Val Kilmer too!)

Crossovers could well be the next big thing, starting with the long-delayed JLA movie. Or Andrew Kevin Walker’s near-legendary Superman V Batman. And maybe, someday, The JLA V The Avengers? Who knows? But in this digital age where anything really is possible, would a truly cosmic Fantastic Four reboot which somehow translates the unique visual style of Jack Kirby to the big screen be too much to ask for? A fanboy can dream, can’t he…?

‘Nuff said!


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avengers - 1/5/2012 10:06:33 AM   
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this movie was no great,it had zero character development,some very cringe worthy dialogue, a lot of pro -america propaganda, the worst part one does not feel anything for the characters.it felt like something aimed at 12 year olds.this film is spiderman 3 of 2012 but people eep trying to make it seem better than what it was .way too simplistic and banal.wasted opportunity

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RE: Seen it and it's incredible! - 1/5/2012 10:53:18 AM   
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except for one crucial beat where he gives in to one of his more infamous impulses.


I don't watch a lot of Joss Whedon stuff. What was this in reference to?

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RE: Avengers Assemble - 1/5/2012 11:11:12 AM   
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I might get spoilery.....

Now, much was made in some interviews that Avengers would stand on it's own and people could easily understand what was happening and why without having seen the build up movies. This is bullshit. I've seen the all, some just days in advance, and there were elements that made no fucking sense. The overall story is pretty straight forward, Loki wants to rule Earth so he makes a deal with some aliens to take over by leading the alien army invasion. He promises the aliens he will deliver the Tesseract in return. What never really makes any sense is why he needs Stark Tower as the entry point for the invasion (something to do with unlimited energy from Starks building?), also, what is his plan for Hulk, it's clear Hulk is part of Loki's plan, but what does he want him to do? Loki is returned to earth by SHIELD doing the experiments with the Tesseract (I think) and he steals it, using SHIELD agents as mind controlled allies, he starts experiements on the Tesseract which confirm he needs the source of power from Stark Tower, fine, makes sense... so why the fuck is he in Germany? What was that all about?! Made no sense, he's just there stealing something (i think) and as the Avengers are now recruited they track him down there and we get the first real action scene and it's all good, and it's exciting and well handled and edited and well performed, but it makes no sense. So, Thor shows up and we get more action and more plot (at this point, if you haven't seen Thor you have no chance of knowing what is happening) and SHIELD have Loki in custody and the Tesseract is presumably still with the scientist, and Loki is using Hulk to escape (i think) and theres more action.... The film kinda jumps along in this fashion all the way, the plot is there and it isnt really making much sense so we break it up with a big action scene and from there were on to the next bit of plot that doesnt make sense. Like I say, it's great fun, well made, performed well, edited well, with a good (although forgettable) score, but it doesnt seem to have a well thought out plot at all, I still dont know what the trip to Germany was for/.?! By the time Loki and his alien army arrive for the finale I had just given up on the story, I was happy to just watch the action unfold, and that extended finale is great, although somewhat spoiled by the clips released in advance. There is some great, great comic book moments and it is by far the best Marvel movie, despite its piss poor plot.



A confusing, piss poor plot that made no sense??? Did you watch the film or just fade in and out? Loki's plan for the Hulk is for Banner to lose control and go on a rampage, causing as much damage and chaos as possible. Which he does. He went to Germany to get Iridium, a rare chemical element that Selvig needed to stabilise the Tesseract. Possessed Hawkeye tells him that he needs a distraction so that's why Loki goes on a bit of rampage and then allows himself to be captured so he can manipulate the Avengers from the inside.

Avengers is a great film but its hardly got a complex plot, if you had trouble following this then I hate to think what you would make of something that actually required some engagement.


I was paying attention fine, and as these poorly plotted points came up, I noted that they were poorly handled, hence including them in the review. I didnt say it was confusing or complex, I was pretty clear in that overall story was simplistic in that it's a 'Loki attacks earth with an Alien Army' story. However, as plotting it is piss poor and a number of elements make no sense, not confusing, just lacking in sense.

I noted that Loki is in Germany stealing something, the reason I said "I think" was because it is so poorly presented within the story, it's never really clear what or why he needs that something. So, he needs 'Iridium' to stabalise the Tesseract? Why, was that ever explained? Why does he need to stabalise the Tesseract? It may have been explained during the scene with Loki and Selvig, but during that I was saying to myself "Where the fuck did Loki get all these servants from in such a short space of time?!". Why does stabalising the Tesseract have to happen? How does that element link into the fact he must use Stark Tower as the entry point for the invasion? Loki didnt enter at Stark Tower, so why now can the portal only open there? That, to me, is poor plotting, in that it doesn't really make any sense.

Loki means to get captured? Why? To manipulate from the inside? Why? Just steal what you need and get out! Even after his initial capture he essentially escapes while Thor, Cap and Iron Man fight, but he sits about and watches. Why? Just use your special magic skills to let them think you're there when you've really transported away!! No, he hangs around to be captured again, where he then plans to use Hulk to escape by having him smash the joint up? Really, is that what he's doing? If so,why the hell is he waiting for Hawkeye and his other men to show up? Why not just unleash Hulk and be done with it, without loosing the grip on Hawkeye in the process? Why have Hawkeye and his men show up if it's all about getting Hulk to break him out? It doesnt make much sense, other than allowing the action scene to play out in a bigger fashion.

The overall story is simplistic, but how that story is plotted and how it moves from A to B to C, is poor and in parts doesn't make sense. Avengers is poor in the way it is plotted, in my opinion. It's a flaw that is overcome by having such well played out action scenes, but the flaw exists. I also stand by the comment that if you have not seen any previous Marvel movie, Thor in particular, that you will have no chance to follow what happen in Avengers. As I say, I watched them recently and there are elements that either don't make sense, or are so poorly explained you would never be able to understand it without prior knowledge.




You say that none of these things were clear or that they didn't make sense yet the vast majority of people who have seen this film seem to have understood them perfectly fine. Every question you've asked was already answered in the film. I can't believe you're getting hung up on the believability of Loki aquiring so many henchmen in a short space of time. He has a staff that turns people into his drones, anyone he walks up to and touches is his henchmen! Plus at the very start of that scene Possessed Hawkeye tells Posessed Selvig that he used his knowledge of Shield's enemies to help Loki recruit the men he needed. Move on.

Why does the Terresact have to be stabilised? Why does it need Iradium or Stark Tower if Loki had already come through it? Again these questions were addressed in the film. Only Loki came therough the portal at the start and notice how it brought down the whole Shield base? That's why it needed stabilising and why it needed a significant power source to sustain the portal and keep it open so that the Army could come through.

I've already said that Loki allowwed himself to be captured so that he could manipulate them from the inside. Hence why he didn't try to escape. Capatain America even says it was too easy! And why? So he could turn them all on each other and get them out of the way so nobody could stop him? Divide and conquer! And did you notice the glowing staff when they were arguing, feeding their anger? Hell, Banner even picked it up!

I agree to an extent that you'd be pretty lost if you haven't watched the previous films but only as far as who as who. That said, my cousin saw it with us the second time I went to see it and he's only see Iron Man and he had a blast and said he didn't find it very confusing and just picked up on who was who as the film went along.

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RE: Seen it and it's incredible! - 1/5/2012 12:04:22 PM   
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except for one crucial beat where he gives in to one of his more infamous impulses.


I don't watch a lot of Joss Whedon stuff. What was this in reference to?


I too was wondering this.

Galaga joke, maybe?

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RE: Seen it and it's incredible! - 1/5/2012 1:28:56 PM   
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except for one crucial beat where he gives in to one of his more infamous impulses.


I don't watch a lot of Joss Whedon stuff. What was this in reference to?


I too was wondering this.

Galaga joke, maybe?


GREAT STEAMING SPOILERS FOR WHEDON'S WORK - Avengers, Buffy, Serenity, Dr Horrible...

I'm pretty sure it's referring to Whedon's habit of killing off a loved character, in this case, Coulson. Hell, Buffy died in Buffy, Wash in Serenity, the girl in Dr Horrible, etc. Spoilers end.


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RE: Seen it and it's incredible! - 1/5/2012 2:34:51 PM   
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I think 'impulse' is the opposite of what they are. If Homer's right, and I think he is, then those are very deliberate and very brave and very effective ways to go IMO. I don't think each has the same effect, and the effect is used for different purposes or aimed at the other characters or the audience in different ways. 


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Ironman x Transformers - 1/5/2012 6:46:16 PM   
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A solid film but nothing new. Goodies fighting baddies over a cosmic 'allspark' cube...Transformers without robots.

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Ironman x Transformers - 1/5/2012 6:49:59 PM   
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A solid film but nothing new. Goodies fighting baddies over a cosmic 'allspark' cube...Transformers without robots.

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- 1/5/2012 8:21:18 PM   
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They have really hit it here. They have took what combines every character great and blended them together perfectly. I had my doubts that certain people would have more screen time but it is even amongst them and done so that your fine not seeing your favourites as much. This is the film to watch if you're not a massive superhero fan and if you are...then i'm sure you wont be dissapointed by the outcome of a 4 year wait.

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RE: - 1/5/2012 8:44:27 PM   
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The Avengers

SPOILER WARNING!

Yep I'm using the original US title for the film and not the lame Euro version 'Avengers Assemble' which sounds like a cartoon, all because the powers that be seem to think we're all dumb enough to mistake this new film with another rather old TV series and its mega budget flop film counterpart. Deal with it.

So lets do this thing...the first MEGA blockbuster of the year, how does it fare you ask, well its pretty good says I, not quite as GOOD as I have been led to believe (hyper hype) but its good.

We all know the score so why review it, the 'backup' films to this entry were all solid to great films with most having their favourites, my personal fav is easily the Iron Man films. So with all the guys together for the first time the film does start at a slow pace...for quite some time its gotta be said, I was getting a little twitchy in my seat. Allot of dialog and pacing around very metallic looking military facilities with a whole load of comicbook sci-fi jargon I really don't understand haha. The team are introduced one by one and things feel familiar a they should, a quick bit of action from Black Widow doesn't help though as it looks tacky and stupid in a Milla Jovovich type of way.

Honestly the film didn't really kick into gear for me until we get our first Hulk moment on board that huge flying aircraft carrier thingy (a bit too G.I.Joe there?), this is our first team action and its good, its very good everyone looks good and the action is sharp, slick and clear.
For me the whole film is all about certain characters and how they come across in battle, in general all the team battles in this film are really very good, as said by many all the characters get their time to shine and no one is left in the cold but clearly some characters just work so much better.

The finale is a firestorm of cgi action and really does blow your balls off with non-stop Avenger ass kicking, its not even hard to follow either, you can see what's happening and there's no silly shaky camera to make you ill, its all precise. Best action from a character goes to Hulk for me with some earth shatteringly pumped destruction going on, they really nailed him good in this one, of course Iron Man gets second spot. The cgi overall is excellent but its not like we haven't seen this kind of thing before though its hardly ground breaking but it looks way better than the 'X-Men' 'Spider Man' 'Fantastic 4' films, I also liked the huge flying alien metallic dragon things, some nice design work there, the alien soldiers didn't look much (never got a good look really) but those big space dragons were ultra cool.

For me its all about Iron Man, easily the best character in the team, he looks fudging sweet, has great tech, the cgi looks best with him and Downey Jr is by far the best thing about this film. The guy carries the film when there is dialog with his witty comments and subtle sarcasm, the other players can't seem to put across the right angle, Ruffalo and Hiddleston are probably the best of the rest with Hiddleston giving Loki a slightly 'Joker-ish' play with his wry smiles.

As for the superheroes well they all look spotless, Iron Man as I said is my personal best and looks awesome, Hulk is a close second looking the best he's ever been here and actually appearing like Ruffalo facially so you can actually believe he transformed into this green monster, Loki hasn't changed much from 'Thor' and looks good whilst Thor also stays pretty much the same and looks fine. Now this is where I get picky folks, Black Widow (Johansson) looks sexy, a nice tight ass shot whilst she speaks with an incarcerated Loki I enjoyed muchly, but in this day and age her look simply doesn't cut the mustard anymore, its been done soooooo many times you think she could have been plucked from any number of films.
Captain America...what the hell did they do to his suit!? it was fine in his first film so why make it look so childish looking for this!? the hood part looks dreadful, thought so when I first saw pics of it. We all know of Fury so this leaves Hawkeye, probably the dullest looking character, I didn't like him.

Some niggles do come to mind, I wouldn't say its totally perfect but these maybe my own personal niggles hehe. Its clear Black Widow and Hawkeye are the weak litter in this film, neither really do a great deal and neither really look all that much to be honest, very dull. Hawkeye just seems like a silly character to use for this day and age, I know he's part of the original team but come on the guy runs around using a bow n arrow for Christs sake haha guns, guns, guns, knives, other worldly powers and super strength and this guy fires arrows! kinda funny really.
Plus he seems to be able to hit targets from high up without any consideration for weather, range, trajectory, altitude etc...it also takes him along time to actually run out, am I looking into this too much?.
Black Widow just doesn't really fit in the team for me, sure she's sexy and can fight but she carries two small handguns and that just comes across as rather pathetic in the midst of all out superhero war, like bringing a water pistol to a knife fight.

The other thing was Loki and his alien buddies, I presume Loki's exile was him falling into that abyss at the end of 'Thor'? how did he meet that alien race? how did he get to earth through the portal or get to the portal? and why does he even want to rule Earth? what does he get out of it?
I must also ask what the 'Chitauri' are exactly, when Iron Man downs the big mothership they all just drop, so are they robotic? or somehow connected to a central brain or something?. Trivial but hey that's how I roll.

So yes this film is very good and probably the best its gonna get for superhero team flicks and even superhero flicks to a degree, and when I say superhero flicks I mean superheroes which involve magic, sorcery, space, aliens etc...Batman, Blade, Punisher etc...are different beasts. I still wasn't blown away completely I must admit but for an eye popping mindless comicbook adaptation you can't really get much better, it does what its suppose to do with good cgi, good humour and great continuity from the previous films. Definitely a one off and historical moment as we get the first real superhero team movie, I can't see 'Justice League' topping it.

Ps. No need to stay right to the end of the credits, but don't leave straight away

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RE: Seen it and it's incredible! - 1/5/2012 10:37:57 PM   
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except for one crucial beat where he gives in to one of his more infamous impulses.


Although, according to Kevin Feige in the Empire podcast, (highlight to read) the death in Avengers was down to Marvel and not Joss

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