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Average Assembly - 7/5/2012 12:14:11 PM   
Emyr Thy King


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I did enjoy the film but oddly enough, I didn't come out of the cinema with a great love for it. I think there was a slight uneveness with the overall pace of the film, long stretches of character moments with action interspersed in-between and then a big long action segment at the end. The humour was mostly funny but at the same time a little bit too obvious, perhaps slightly forced and I think some of it was trying to be a bit too clever. I'm guessing it's Joss Whedon's style, I'm not a fan of his and that doesn't mean I have a problem with him but I'm not overly familiar with his writing style and perhaps it just doesn't do much for me. It's odd, because I felt sometimes that I wasn't watching the characters as they've been set-up previously but as "Whedon's" characters which was a bit jarring. I didn't feel there was a sense of continuity in terms of the characters's language if that makes sense.

Tony Stark/Iron Man shone though and I liked the few scenes between him and Pepper Potts, nice to see the relationship developing. I thought Thor was good but again he seems to get the short shirft out of all the characters, he was just angry most of the time and I didn't feel we got a lot of character development from him. I was surprised with Hawkeye and especially Black Window. I think they developed and expanded upon her character quite nicely from Iron Man 2, where she felt like a third rate supporting character. Props to Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner/Hulk, he's by far the best fit for the character and it seems they've thrown off the curse of the Hulk! However, the most interesting character for me was Steve Rogers/Captain America. I have to say despite my misgivings about the script, I think he worked exceptionally well. As I was concerned he would be upstaged by more colourful characters such as Iron Man. But the way they handled his character, his adjusting to being in the modern world and how he became a true leader was very well done. I agree with Sanchia, he seems a lot more potent in combat. As though he's more acrobatic and nimble, which wasn't really shown in his origin film. I really liked his first fight with Loki and his talk about when he was last in Germany. That was a nice touch.

The plot was fine but I did have a few problems with certain details. Captain America's awakening scene was just a two-second job. C'mon, the guy's been asleep for 70 years and yet we don't see his moment of 'rebirth'? I also think they skipped over Thor's arrival, with some off-hand explanation about Odin using 'dark magic', righto. And why did Whedon feel the need to kill of Coulson?. I think that was a miscalculation personally. I understand why he did it, as the driving force to unite the team, but it just felt wrong. Particularly after Clark Gregg has done such great work in gradually developing his character.. Unless I'm mistaken, I'm sure the scene where Hulk is fighting Thor on a lower deck of the helicarrier and he jumps onto that F-35 fighter jet was directly ripped off Hulk (2003) "you don't want to make me Ang Lee".

I thought the score by Alan Silvestri was functional. The main Avengers theme is good but the rest of the soundtrack just lacks bombast and a real punch. I felt the same with his work on Captain America, I think they ought to pick a new composer for the next Avengers film. Someone who can craft a more rousing theme, perhaps even develope 'sub-themes' for each character.

Overall a good film with some great moments but it just lacked the magic of Iron Man or Thor for me.

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RE: Average Assembly - 7/5/2012 1:26:30 PM   
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I am not sure just how big a threat the alien army was - Black Widow was pretty decent at taking them out, and Stark was able to shoot them down. It didn't look like there were enough of them to take over the world. But it was still fun seeing the heros take them out.

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RE: Average Assembly - 7/5/2012 1:55:03 PM   
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I agreem, but then I think the whole point of this film was to see the team come together and see how they mix and get along. The whole 'enemy army' thing is really just the icing on the cake for what the main draw of the film is, which is the Avengers themselves.

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RE: Average Assembly - 7/5/2012 1:55:15 PM   
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Double post. Damn, Empires forums are probably the buggiest I've ever come across.

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RE: Average Assembly - 7/5/2012 3:21:54 PM   
Emyr Thy King


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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

I am not sure just how big a threat the alien army was - Black Widow was pretty decent at taking them out, and Stark was able to shoot them down. It didn't look like there were enough of them to take over the world. But it was still fun seeing the heros take them out.


Yeah I agree, they seemed to be swatted away quite easily. But I actually liked them, I liked their weapons and the armour and thosr flying dragon type things were interesting. I actually loved how Cap just kicked arse and that scene with him rescuing the hostages was nicely done, not to mention the team-up with Iron Man. But they all kicked arse and had their moment to shine. Particularly the Hulk. So I didn't find them quite so Shitauri as some did.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 7/5/2012 4:02:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Emyr Thy King

I did enjoy the film but oddly enough, I didn't come out of the cinema with a great love for it. I think there was a slight uneveness with the overall pace of the film, long stretches of character moments with action interspersed in-between and then a big long action segment at the end. The humour was mostly funny but at the same time a little bit too obvious, perhaps slightly forced and I think some of it was trying to be a bit too clever. I'm guessing it's Joss Whedon's style, I'm not a fan of his and that doesn't mean I have a problem with him but I'm not overly familiar with his writing style and perhaps it just doesn't do much for me. It's odd, because I felt sometimes that I wasn't watching the characters as they've been set-up previously but as "Whedon's" characters which was a bit jarring. I didn't feel there was a sense of continuity in terms of the characters's language if that makes sense.

Tony Stark/Iron Man shone though and I liked the few scenes between him and Pepper Potts, nice to see the relationship developing. I thought Thor was good but again he seems to get the short shirft out of all the characters, he was just angry most of the time and I didn't feel we got a lot of character development from him. I was surprised with Hawkeye and especially Black Window. I think they developed and expanded upon her character quite nicely from Iron Man 2, where she felt like a third rate supporting character. Props to Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner/Hulk, he's by far the best fit for the character and it seems they've thrown off the curse of the Hulk! However, the most interesting character for me was Steve Rogers/Captain America. I have to say despite my misgivings about the script, I think he worked exceptionally well. As I was concerned he would be upstaged by more colourful characters such as Iron Man. But the way they handled his character, his adjusting to being in the modern world and how he became a true leader was very well done. I agree with Sanchia, he seems a lot more potent in combat. As though he's more acrobatic and nimble, which wasn't really shown in his origin film. I really liked his first fight with Loki and his talk about when he was last in Germany. That was a nice touch.

The plot was fine but I did have a few problems with certain details. Captain America's awakening scene was just a two-second job. C'mon, the guy's been asleep for 70 years and yet we don't see his moment of 'rebirth'? I also think they skipped over Thor's arrival, with some off-hand explanation about Odin using 'dark magic', righto. And why did Whedon feel the need to kill of Coulson?. I think that was a miscalculation personally. I understand why he did it, as the driving force to unite the team, but it just felt wrong. Particularly after Clark Gregg has done such great work in gradually developing his character.. Unless I'm mistaken, I'm sure the scene where Hulk is fighting Thor on a lower deck of the helicarrier and he jumps onto that F-35 fighter jet was directly ripped off Hulk (2003) "you don't want to make me Ang Lee".

I thought the score by Alan Silvestri was functional. The main Avengers theme is good but the rest of the soundtrack just lacks bombast and a real punch. I felt the same with his work on Captain America, I think they ought to pick a new composer for the next Avengers film. Someone who can craft a more rousing theme, perhaps even develope 'sub-themes' for each character.

Overall a good film with some great moments but it just lacked the magic of Iron Man or Thor for me.



Regarding your spoiler text- Whedon didn't want to kill Coulson, that was Marvel's idea. Whedon actually argued against it sying 'they are going to blame me for it' as he has a reputation for such things but Marvel insisted. Head of Marvel movie production Kevin Feige said this in in an interview with Empire's podcast. Also, the Hulk jumping onto the plane bit is from the comics, if I'm not mistaken. It's one of his 'moves'.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 7/5/2012 4:41:27 PM   
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I enjoyed The Avengers but thought it was merely good - 3 stars - and not great.

I enjoyed Captain America and Thor far more. It was always going to be difficult to weave a story with 6 main heroes and it did try its best, but aside from the truly marvellous Loki, the main problem was that the alien menace was simply rather weak.

We needed a bit more info on these new bad guys. Why did they want Earth? What were they going to do to humanity? Eat them as in V? They were pretty weak as a threat I felt.

However, Tom Hiddleston clearly has along career ahead of him as a bad guy. I thought Loki stole the show in Thor and I think he did the same again here, though naturally The Hulk ended up being the MOM (Man of the Match) for any non-footie fans on here.

I like Iron Man, but I don't think he should be the hero/leader as I find it hard to believe that a God like Thor would take orders from a man in a robot suit. Captain America is also perhaps the one who should be the lead character since he stands for everything good and he stands up to bullies of all sizes and nationalities (which is a good line).

Perhaps the next movie could get rid of Hawkeye and Black Widow as I think we would all rather concentrate on Iron Man, Captain America, Thor and of course The Hulk. Though still annoyed they never gave us The Hulk's signature line.

Joss Whedon has previous with the messy Alien Resurrection and patchy episodes of Buffy and Angel. But I did think here he did a good job.

I look forward to The Avengers 2.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 7/5/2012 4:54:32 PM   
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We needed a bit more info on these new bad guys. Why did they want Earth? What were they going to do to humanity? Eat them as in V? They were pretty weak as a threat I felt.



They didn't, Loki wanted it to spite his brother. The Chitauri were helping Loki in exchange for the Tesseract.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 7/5/2012 5:39:46 PM   
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So what was going to happen to Earth?

We needed threats and conflict. A genuine worry that Earth and humanity were going to be in Big Trouble. Being ruled by Loki didn't show us his evil side.

Hopefully a better villain/dastardly plot will be in place for part 2. Though I do think Loki is superb, the aliens were, dare I say it, rubbish!

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 7/5/2012 9:17:00 PM   
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Regarding your spoiler text- Whedon didn't want to kill Coulson, that was Marvel's idea. Whedon actually argued against it saying 'they are going to blame me for it' as he has a reputation for such things but Marvel insisted. Head of Marvel movie production Kevin Feige said this in in an interview with Empire's podcast. Also, the Hulk jumping onto the plane bit is from the comics, if I'm not mistaken. It's one of his 'moves'.


Regardless of who came up with the idea, it was a bad call full-stop and wasn't necessary. He's proven he's not averse to slaying his 'beloved' characters anyway. As for the jet sequence, yes it's probably been done in the comics before. There's a 50-year or so history there, just like we expect him to say "Hulk smash!" in every film. But that exact scene almost felt like a facsimile of the 2003 film. The use of a similar fighter jet (F-35 not F/A-22) and just the whole mock-up of it felt too similar and familiar from a visual point of view.

Funnily enough, the Other reminded me both in terms of vocals and looks of the Ringwraiths from LotR:

Lord of the Rings: Conquest

*Spoilers* (bugger off if you don't want to be Ferrero Rocher'd)

As a little trivia, I think some may be aware there are deleted scenes for Cap. One such scene supposedly involves Rogers meeting Peggy for the first time post-deep freeze for a coffee. And the waitress who serves them is the same one that eyed him up and sung his praises at the end. I think they could pursue that further for his next solo film, although the likelihood is she won't return.




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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 7/5/2012 10:45:06 PM   
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quote:

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So what was going to happen to Earth?

We needed threats and conflict. A genuine worry that Earth and humanity were going to be in Big Trouble. Being ruled by Loki didn't show us his evil side.

Hopefully a better villain/dastardly plot will be in place for part 2. Though I do think Loki is superb, the aliens were, dare I say it, rubbish!


Well given who they revealed just before the scrolling credits, I think that's a certainty.

I know what you mean that there feels like a lack of threat & conflict, but I reckon that's because Whedon & co chose to predominantly focus on the coming together of the assemble themselves rather than develop a brand new antagonist for them to worry about.


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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 7/5/2012 11:03:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Emyr Thy King
Regardless of who came up with the idea, it was a bad call full-stop and wasn't necessary. He's proven he's not averse to slaying his 'beloved' characters anyway.


Well- It does matter who came up with the idea, because you wrongly attributed it to Joss. True he has done it before, but this time he didn't actually want to but as a director for hire, he couldn't really say 'no' could he? Plus, the reason they did it was to make the audience think nobody was safe. Now, I do agree with you that it was pointless as it's obvious they weren't going to kill Iron Man or Thor but I was just correcting you on who came up with the idea. Joss really should have come up with a different way to kill him that stabbing him through the chest, though. That seems to be his ''go to' death



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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 1:43:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench
Well- It does matter who came up with the idea, because you wrongly attributed it to Joss. True he has done it before, but this time he didn't actually want to but as a director for hire, he couldn't really say 'no' could he? Plus, the reason they did it was to make the audience think nobody was safe. Now, I do agree with you that it was pointless as it's obvious they weren't going to kill Iron Man or Thor but I was just correcting you on who came up with the idea. Joss really should have come up with a different way to kill him that stabbing him through the chest, though. That seems to be his ''go to' death .


Mhmm..but it's irrelevant. It would only matter if wrongly crediting the idea made a difference to my original point. My point was that it was just a bad decision, whoever made it is inconsequential because it ended up in the film anyway. Otherwise it's just erroneous detailing. Although someone of Whedon's standing would have enough sway with a producer if they really wanted to dig their heels in. Perhaps concessions were made elsewhere or he didn't want a repeat of the Norton affair and so went along with it. The irony is it fits with his history on dealing with such characters anyway. Nonetheless, it appeared in a film he directed and co-wrote. So in theory they have joint responsibility for it. Hmm?

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 2:05:16 AM   
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Regarding the aliens, I didn't mind at all that they weren't a huge threat, the point was to see this team assemble for the first time and put their differences aside to unite and take out the threat to earth, be it minor or major. I thought it was done brilliantly and showed exactly what we wanted to see, the team kicking serious arse. I loved every second of it.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 10:07:36 AM   
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Anyone know anything about the other clip at the end of the credits that the US seem to have got?

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 10:24:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wild about Wilder

Anyone know anything about the other clip at the end of the credits that the US seem to have got?


Yep, its a gag in which (hidden text) the whole gang go for shawarma (end hidden text). Not sure if its been put on to UK prints yet, I'm sure that it will be when tickets drop in a couple of weeks tho.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 10:32:46 AM   
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Mhmm..but it's irrelevant. It would only matter if wrongly crediting the idea made a difference to my original point. My point was that it was just a bad decision, whoever made it is inconsequential because it ended up in the film anyway. Otherwise it's just erroneous detailing. Although someone of Whedon's standing would have enough sway with a producer if they really wanted to dig their heels in. Perhaps concessions were made elsewhere or he didn't want a repeat of the Norton affair and so went along with it. The irony is it fits with his history on dealing with such characters anyway. Nonetheless, it appeared in a film he directed and co-wrote. So in theory they have joint responsibility for it. Hmm?


And I agree with you, was just pointing out who actually came up with the idea. It may be irrelevant but it's still true

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 10:42:22 AM   
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We needed threats and conflict. A genuine worry that Earth and humanity were going to be in Big Trouble. Being ruled by Loki didn't show us his evil side.



Did you not catch the opening bit of the film, in which he brought down the SHIELD headquarters? Or what about the entirety of the final act, which was essentially an invasion of a major city orchestrated by him? Of course, the emphasis of the narrative in the final act wasn't on the attackers, but the Avengers, but the threat was still there (otherwise, what would they have been fighting?). He also killed a major character, pulled a mans eyeball out and called a woman a "quim", which are all pretty evil things to do in my book.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 10:48:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: adambatman82

quote:

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We needed threats and conflict. A genuine worry that Earth and humanity were going to be in Big Trouble. Being ruled by Loki didn't show us his evil side.



Did you not catch the opening bit of the film, in which he brought down the SHIELD headquarters? Or what about the entirety of the final act, which was essentially an invasion of a major city orchestrated by him? Of course, the emphasis of the narrative in the final act wasn't on the attackers, but the Avengers, but the threat was still there (otherwise, what would they have been fighting?). He also killed a major character, pulled a mans eyeball out and called a woman a "quim", which are all pretty evil things to do in my book.


Also, he would have killed that man that wouldn't kneel before him if Captain America hadn't turned up.

This is a God that wanted to subjugate a whole planet out of spite. Sounds like quite a threat to me.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 10:48:54 AM   
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I think you need to add the 'mewling' 

It might have been short-hand, but I think the German side-mission and the wee man standing up were supposed to make very clear nods to Loki not being the nicest guy around.


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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 11:13:37 AM   
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I think you need to add the 'mewling' 



Ha, I'm not quite sure what "mewling" means, but it actually kind of softens the "quim" part to me. I'm approaching this from the perspective of someone who has always been taught that the Q word is as bad as the C word and "Motherfucker" in terms of its place in the English language.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 12:01:00 PM   
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Saw this Sunday night, and it was totally great.
A thought it took a little while to find is stride, but when it did it bounded along.

Great Film for me 4/5

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 12:07:02 PM   
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The first film I've gone to see 3 times in the cinema since The Phantom Menace. Hopefully in 13 years I'll be fonder of this than I am of TPM.

It's still not perfect but I'm not sure what I'd change to be honest.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 12:13:31 PM   
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And I agree with you, was just pointing out who actually came up with the idea. It may be irrelevant but it's still true


But still irrelevant. It ended up in a film he made, that's the end of it. If Captain America walked around with a pair of pink knickers, whether it would've been Whedon's idea or not. As he made the film, he'd share part of the blame. Peace out

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ORIGINAL: adambatman82
Ha, I'm not quite sure what "mewling" means, but it actually kind of softens the "quim" part to me. I'm approaching this from the perspective of someone who has always been taught that the Q word is as bad as the C word and "Motherfucker" in terms of its place in the English language.


I think "mewling" means "moaning" or "whinging".

I do agree that the lack of threat or real menace the aliens had to the Avengers didn't make us feel they were ever in peril. Which was one purpose of killing off Coulson, and again rather pointless seeing as we know the Avengers will return in a "multi-picture deal". Kind of kills the suspense there.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 12:48:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson
We needed threats and conflict. A genuine worry that Earth and humanity were going to be in Big Trouble. Being ruled by Loki didn't show us his evil side.



Did you not catch the opening bit of the film, in which he brought down the SHIELD headquarters? Or what about the entirety of the final act, which was essentially an invasion of a major city orchestrated by him? Of course, the emphasis of the narrative in the final act wasn't on the attackers, but the Avengers, but the threat was still there (otherwise, what would they have been fighting?). He also killed a major character, pulled a mans eyeball out and called a woman a "quim", which are all pretty evil things to do in my book.


True, but you could say the exact same thing about Transformers: Dark Of The Moon and that contained about as much threat as a game of Snap.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 1:02:09 PM   
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Did you not catch the opening bit of the film, in which he brought down the SHIELD headquarters? Or what about the entirety of the final act, which was essentially an invasion of a major city orchestrated by him? Of course, the emphasis of the narrative in the final act wasn't on the attackers, but the Avengers, but the threat was still there (otherwise, what would they have been fighting?). He also killed a major character, pulled a mans eyeball out and called a woman a "quim", which are all pretty evil things to do in my book.


True, but you could say the exact same thing about Transformers: Dark Of The Moon and that contained about as much threat as a game of Snap.


They're different films though, and ones in which a vaguely similar situation is handled very differently. Its all about the execution of the scenario, and from my point of view it worked in Avengers, and didn't work in TF.* Similarity of the premise aside the two final acts are nothing alike.

*Theres a sense of geographical place and scale in Avengers that's completely lacking in TF, and there are a bunch of characters that have actual character Involved within the scenario for a start, as opposed to the tech-demo-esque screaming idiocy of TF.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 1:23:28 PM   
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Did you not catch the opening bit of the film, in which he brought down the SHIELD headquarters? Or what about the entirety of the final act, which was essentially an invasion of a major city orchestrated by him? Of course, the emphasis of the narrative in the final act wasn't on the attackers, but the Avengers, but the threat was still there (otherwise, what would they have been fighting?). He also killed a major character, pulled a mans eyeball out and called a woman a "quim", which are all pretty evil things to do in my book.


True, but you could say the exact same thing about Transformers: Dark Of The Moon and that contained about as much threat as a game of Snap.


They're different films though, and ones in which a vaguely similar situation is handled very differently. Its all about the execution of the scenario, and from my point of view it worked in Avengers, and didn't work in TF.* Similarity of the premise aside the two final acts are nothing alike.

*Theres a sense of geographical place and scale in Avengers that's completely lacking in TF, and there are a bunch of characters that have actual character Involved within the scenario for a start, as opposed to the tech-demo-esque screaming idiocy of TF.


I'd agree with all of that and I pretty much loved The Avengers (apart form the length of some of the action scenes). My point was that just because the climax featured an invasion of a major city doesn't automatically give it a sense of real threat (as proven by Michael Bay's last abomination). And as much as The Avengers was on a completely different level to the likes of TF3 in terms of, well, everything, I personally didn't feel any more genuine peril - anonymous alien cannon-fodder on flying bikes vs anonymous robot cannon-fodder with metal beards.
Though the 'quim' bit shook me right up...

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 2:14:50 PM   
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My point was that just because the climax featured an invasion of a major city doesn't automatically give it a sense of real threat (as proven by Michael Bay's last abomination). And as much as The Avengers was on a completely different level to the likes of TF3 in terms of, well, everything, I personally didn't feel any more genuine peril - anonymous alien cannon-fodder on flying bikes vs anonymous robot cannon-fodder with metal beards.


As I said in my initial post though, there are a number of reasons that combine to create peril, you just chose to focus on one. It's not really fair to take one aspect of my argument out of context to try and push your own point. To reiterate, a number of things suggested Loki's evilness. Amongst them are - 1) the city battle. 2) The Germany sequence [both the crowd sequence and the eye-gauging). 3) the opening section, which displayed the destructive power of the cosmic cube. 4) The thing he did to that guy that we all like. The four of these things, combined with a number of other incidents that I haven't mentioned, come together to give a sense of peril.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 2:20:50 PM   
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My point was that just because the climax featured an invasion of a major city doesn't automatically give it a sense of real threat (as proven by Michael Bay's last abomination). And as much as The Avengers was on a completely different level to the likes of TF3 in terms of, well, everything, I personally didn't feel any more genuine peril - anonymous alien cannon-fodder on flying bikes vs anonymous robot cannon-fodder with metal beards.


As I said in my initial post though, there are a number of reasons that combine to create peril, you just chose to focus on one. It's not really fair to take one aspect of my argument out of context to try and push your own point. To reiterate, a number of things suggested Loki's evilness. Amongst them are - 1) the city battle. 2) The Germany sequence [both the crowd sequence and the eye-gauging). 3) the opening section, which displayed the destructive power of the cosmic cube. 4) The thing he did to that guy that we all like. The four of these things, combined with a number of other incidents that I haven't mentioned, come together to give a sense of peril.


Not for me they didn't but then again, there aren't a hell of a lot of comic book movies that do, really.

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RE: The Avengers (2012) - 8/5/2012 2:21:55 PM   
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My point was that just because the climax featured an invasion of a major city doesn't automatically give it a sense of real threat (as proven by Michael Bay's last abomination). And as much as The Avengers was on a completely different level to the likes of TF3 in terms of, well, everything, I personally didn't feel any more genuine peril - anonymous alien cannon-fodder on flying bikes vs anonymous robot cannon-fodder with metal beards.


As I said in my initial post though, there are a number of reasons that combine to create peril, you just chose to focus on one. It's not really fair to take one aspect of my argument out of context to try and push your own point. To reiterate, a number of things suggested Loki's evilness. Amongst them are - 1) the city battle. 2) The Germany sequence [both the crowd sequence and the eye-gauging). 3) the opening section, which displayed the destructive power of the cosmic cube. 4) The thing he did to that guy that we all like. The four of these things, combined with a number of other incidents that I haven't mentioned, come together to give a sense of peril.


Yup to all of this.

I'd also add that the fact that the human council felt the need to release a Nuke towards their own populace due to the level of peril was pretty key also.

Edit: But we always know its going to turn out alright though.

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