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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 1:56:12 PM   
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Anyway, Isn't the racism point moot considering what Stacey initially tweeted? That at the very least is deserving of a roshambo for the total disregard of another man's life. Once you breach the line of intolerance, an individuals right to declare 'freedom of speech' goes out of the window.


Will this also apply when Thatcher eventually dies and the working class are uncorking bottles of champagne all over the country? Does their right to declare 'freedom of speech' also disappear?


Pfft. It'll be bottles of Dog rund wor way, bonny lad.

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 2:00:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tommyjarvis


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Anyway, Isn't the racism point moot considering what Stacey initially tweeted? That at the very least is deserving of a roshambo for the total disregard of another man's life. Once you breach the line of intolerance, an individuals right to declare 'freedom of speech' goes out of the window.


Will this also apply when Thatcher eventually dies and the working class are uncorking bottles of champagne all over the country? Does their right to declare 'freedom of speech' also disappear?


It's different when you diagree with someone. One thing that seems to lack in this whole area is the idea of consistency.
Also what about rappers; they use a lot of language that would have a white person crucified if they used it.

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 2:31:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tommyjarvis


quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

Anyway, Isn't the racism point moot considering what Stacey initially tweeted? That at the very least is deserving of a roshambo for the total disregard of another man's life. Once you breach the line of intolerance, an individuals right to declare 'freedom of speech' goes out of the window.


Will this also apply when Thatcher eventually dies and the working class are uncorking bottles of champagne all over the country? Does their right to declare 'freedom of speech' also disappear?


No. The context and timing are largely different. Thatcher made deeply unpopular policies that affected a great many people who will be glad when she finally shifts on, owing to their own polictical and ideological beliefs. They're entitled to say as much and it's to be expected when you leave such a political legacy and personal history in the public domain. Some will agree with what she did, others will not. That's a great deal different to somene pointing and laughing at a a man who has just collapsed on a football pitch whilst doing his job, don't you think?

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 2:52:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: clownfoot

quote:

ORIGINAL: tommyjarvis


quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

Anyway, Isn't the racism point moot considering what Stacey initially tweeted? That at the very least is deserving of a roshambo for the total disregard of another man's life. Once you breach the line of intolerance, an individuals right to declare 'freedom of speech' goes out of the window.


Will this also apply when Thatcher eventually dies and the working class are uncorking bottles of champagne all over the country? Does their right to declare 'freedom of speech' also disappear?


No. The context and timing are largely different. Thatcher made deeply unpopular policies that affected a great many people who will be glad when she finally shifts on, owing to their own polictical and ideological beliefs. They're entitled to say as much and it's to be expected when you leave such a political legacy and personal history in the public domain. Some will agree with what she did, others will not. That's a great deal different to somene pointing and laughing at a a man who has just collapsed on a football pitch whilst doing his job, don't you think?


I don't really buy this. If you're bringing personal beliefs and ideologies into it then surely that grants everyone the right to laugh at whoever's death they choose to? Or is it only OK to make fun of someone's death if there are lots of other people doing the same thing? I'm not comfortable with the idea that's it's fine to celebrate some people's deaths and not other people's - after all, who gets to draw the line?

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 2:59:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tommyjarvis


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ORIGINAL: clownfoot

quote:

ORIGINAL: tommyjarvis


quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

Anyway, Isn't the racism point moot considering what Stacey initially tweeted? That at the very least is deserving of a roshambo for the total disregard of another man's life. Once you breach the line of intolerance, an individuals right to declare 'freedom of speech' goes out of the window.


Will this also apply when Thatcher eventually dies and the working class are uncorking bottles of champagne all over the country? Does their right to declare 'freedom of speech' also disappear?


No. The context and timing are largely different. Thatcher made deeply unpopular policies that affected a great many people who will be glad when she finally shifts on, owing to their own polictical and ideological beliefs. They're entitled to say as much and it's to be expected when you leave such a political legacy and personal history in the public domain. Some will agree with what she did, others will not. That's a great deal different to somene pointing and laughing at a a man who has just collapsed on a football pitch whilst doing his job, don't you think?


I don't really buy this. If you're bringing personal beliefs and ideologies into it then surely that grants everyone the right to laugh at whoever's death they choose to? Or is it only OK to make fun of someone's death if there are lots of other people doing the same thing? I'm not comfortable with the idea that's it's fine to celebrate some people's deaths and not other people's - after all, who gets to draw the line?


It's not Thatcher's beliefs and ideoligies that make her fair game - it's what she did.

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 3:04:48 PM   
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It's not Thatcher's beliefs and ideoligies that make her fair game - it's what she did.


That's entirely subjective though. Besides, I was referring to everyone else's beliefs and ideologies, not hers specifically.

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 3:07:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tommyjarvis


quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

quote:

ORIGINAL: tommyjarvis


quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

Anyway, Isn't the racism point moot considering what Stacey initially tweeted? That at the very least is deserving of a roshambo for the total disregard of another man's life. Once you breach the line of intolerance, an individuals right to declare 'freedom of speech' goes out of the window.


Will this also apply when Thatcher eventually dies and the working class are uncorking bottles of champagne all over the country? Does their right to declare 'freedom of speech' also disappear?


No. The context and timing are largely different. Thatcher made deeply unpopular policies that affected a great many people who will be glad when she finally shifts on, owing to their own polictical and ideological beliefs. They're entitled to say as much and it's to be expected when you leave such a political legacy and personal history in the public domain. Some will agree with what she did, others will not. That's a great deal different to somene pointing and laughing at a a man who has just collapsed on a football pitch whilst doing his job, don't you think?


I don't really buy this. If you're bringing personal beliefs and ideologies into it then surely that grants everyone the right to laugh at whoever's death they choose to? Or is it only OK to make fun of someone's death if there are lots of other people doing the same thing? I'm not comfortable with the idea that's it's fine to celebrate some people's deaths and not other people's - after all, who gets to draw the line?


Anyone can laugh at anyones death if they so choose. If they then happen to make that disclosure public via twitter straight after the event and are picked up on it by individuals that think that's quite a cuntish thing to do, then said person's action and freedom to say what they think has entered the blurred line of intolerance.

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 3:11:17 PM   
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It's not Thatcher's beliefs and ideoligies that make her fair game - it's what she did.


That's entirely subjective though. Besides, I was referring to everyone else's beliefs and ideologies, not hers specifically.


You don't have to have a particular set of beliefs and ideologies to have been shafted by her government though. My grandad was a lifelong tory and he grew to despise her.
And whether it's subjective or not, millions of people whose communities, industries and lives were ruined by her feel the same way. You can't really say the same about a young footballer can you?

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 3:25:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: horribleives


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It's not Thatcher's beliefs and ideoligies that make her fair game - it's what she did.


That's entirely subjective though. Besides, I was referring to everyone else's beliefs and ideologies, not hers specifically.


You don't have to have a particular set of beliefs and ideologies to have neem shafted by her government though. My grandad was a lifelong tory and he grew to despise her.
And whether it's subjective or not, millions of people whose communities, industries and lives were ruined by her feel the same way. You can't really say the same about a young footballer can you?


Exactly. It's not really comparing like for like.

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 3:29:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: horribleives


quote:

ORIGINAL: tommyjarvis


quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

quote:

ORIGINAL: tommyjarvis


quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

Anyway, Isn't the racism point moot considering what Stacey initially tweeted? That at the very least is deserving of a roshambo for the total disregard of another man's life. Once you breach the line of intolerance, an individuals right to declare 'freedom of speech' goes out of the window.


Will this also apply when Thatcher eventually dies and the working class are uncorking bottles of champagne all over the country? Does their right to declare 'freedom of speech' also disappear?


No. The context and timing are largely different. Thatcher made deeply unpopular policies that affected a great many people who will be glad when she finally shifts on, owing to their own polictical and ideological beliefs. They're entitled to say as much and it's to be expected when you leave such a political legacy and personal history in the public domain. Some will agree with what she did, others will not. That's a great deal different to somene pointing and laughing at a a man who has just collapsed on a football pitch whilst doing his job, don't you think?


I don't really buy this. If you're bringing personal beliefs and ideologies into it then surely that grants everyone the right to laugh at whoever's death they choose to? Or is it only OK to make fun of someone's death if there are lots of other people doing the same thing? I'm not comfortable with the idea that's it's fine to celebrate some people's deaths and not other people's - after all, who gets to draw the line?


It's not Thatcher's beliefs and ideoligies that make her fair game - it's what she did.


What about the people who liked what she did, do they get a say?

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 3:42:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Woger


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ORIGINAL: horribleives


quote:

ORIGINAL: tommyjarvis


quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

quote:

ORIGINAL: tommyjarvis


quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

Anyway, Isn't the racism point moot considering what Stacey initially tweeted? That at the very least is deserving of a roshambo for the total disregard of another man's life. Once you breach the line of intolerance, an individuals right to declare 'freedom of speech' goes out of the window.


Will this also apply when Thatcher eventually dies and the working class are uncorking bottles of champagne all over the country? Does their right to declare 'freedom of speech' also disappear?


No. The context and timing are largely different. Thatcher made deeply unpopular policies that affected a great many people who will be glad when she finally shifts on, owing to their own polictical and ideological beliefs. They're entitled to say as much and it's to be expected when you leave such a political legacy and personal history in the public domain. Some will agree with what she did, others will not. That's a great deal different to somene pointing and laughing at a a man who has just collapsed on a football pitch whilst doing his job, don't you think?


I don't really buy this. If you're bringing personal beliefs and ideologies into it then surely that grants everyone the right to laugh at whoever's death they choose to? Or is it only OK to make fun of someone's death if there are lots of other people doing the same thing? I'm not comfortable with the idea that's it's fine to celebrate some people's deaths and not other people's - after all, who gets to draw the line?


It's not Thatcher's beliefs and ideoligies that make her fair game - it's what she did.


What about the people who liked what she did, do they get a say?


They can go jump off a cliff.

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 3:42:48 PM   
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A say in what? Whether I choose to celebrate her death? No, they don't.

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 3:48:49 PM   
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I don't think he means that. If there is going to be an accepted line of offence that can't be crossed then it can't only come from one side - so if you go with the suggestion above then celebrating the death of a sick old woman would be offensive to some - so why wouldn't their views be an issue (in the context of discussion in this thread).

And this is why there has to be at least a proxy for an objective assessment on what is acceptable and the only one we have is what exists in the legal system (except for online lynch mobs). It's also why that dreadful idea of an offence law was shouted down - because the career offended would have us all gagged in a corner.

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 3:54:08 PM   
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I think the line in these cases is a simple one really, and it goes back to the point already made. Thatcher (and any other political leader) is being given power over the lives of people in their country. Their day to day actions has a very real impact. A footballer, actor, musician, etc doesn't have the same power. When people celebrate the death of Thatcher they'll be celebrating the death of someone they believe had a negative impact on their lives and their country. When people celebrate the death of a footballer they're just being a cunt.

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 3:59:10 PM   
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Ok who gets to decide where the line is? How do you write it into law?

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 4:00:12 PM   
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I don't think he means that. If there is going to be an accepted line of offence that can't be crossed then it can't only come from one side - so if you go with the suggestion above then celebrating the death of a sick old woman would be offensive to some - so why wouldn't their views be an issue (in the context of discussion in this thread).



True, I think my point in relation to TJ's original one was slightly off-topic and more to do with the question of who was the bigger douchebag - someone celebrating the death of a woman who caused them and millions of others untold anguish or a mouthy little bully having a go at a harmless footballer. For the record though, I don't think he should have gone to jail either so I'm certainly not advocating one rule for racists and another for Thatcher-haters.
I guess we'll have to wait 'til she dies and people start Tweeting about it to find out whether the views of Thatcher-lovers are an issue or not...


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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 4:01:02 PM   
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I don't think he means that. If there is going to be an accepted line of offence that can't be crossed then it can't only come from one side - so if you go with the suggestion above then celebrating the death of a sick old woman would be offensive to some - so why wouldn't their views be an issue (in the context of discussion in this thread).

And this is why there has to be at least a proxy for an objective assessment on what is acceptable and the only one we have is what exists in the legal system (except for online lynch mobs). It's also why that dreadful idea of an offence law was shouted down - because the career offended would have us all gagged in a corner.


Exactly, and different people get offended by different things and who gets to decide what's offensive.
To be clear just because I think someone should be allowed to say something doesn't mean I agree with them and the people that say vile things like what the thread is about are usually mouth breathers who are best ignored.

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 4:01:27 PM   
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TJ has a point here, why is it okay to laugh and celebrate the death of one person but not another. Regardless of who they are or what they've done - a human being is a human being is a human being surely?

When bin Laden got capped I was in the 'glad they got the bastard' camp but I'm sure there was plenty of his gang were quite sad and weren't happy with people celebrating it. What if a member of al-Quaeda complained about some of the stuff written - would they have grounds?

Who draws the line?

All purely hypothetical bullshit in the interest of debate!

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 4:02:19 PM   
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I don't think he means that. If there is going to be an accepted line of offence that can't be crossed then it can't only come from one side - so if you go with the suggestion above then celebrating the death of a sick old woman would be offensive to some - so why wouldn't their views be an issue (in the context of discussion in this thread).



True, I think my point in relation to TJ's original one was slightly off-topic and more to do with the question of who was the bigger douchebag - someone celebrating the death of a woman who caused them and millions of others untold anguish or a mouthy little bully having a go at a harmless footballer. For the record though, I don't think he should have gone to jail either so I'm certainly not advocating one rule for racists and another for Thatcher-haters.
I guess we'll have to wait 'til she dies and people start Tweeting about it to find out whether the views of Thatcher-lovers are an issue or not...




I'll also wager there will be an overlap for some of those celebrating Thatcher and mourning Castro!


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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 4:03:02 PM   
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Ok who gets to decide where the line is? How do you write it into law?


Again, I guess we'll find out when she finally shuffles off and someone gets sent to jail for tweeting Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead!

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 4:10:16 PM   
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Is it perhaps 2 different things then?

A personal view on whether someone is being a tit is one thing - Stacey obviously was, and I'd think celebrating Thatcher's death would be iffy, even though I think she/her politics were a nightmare for this country. But this is entirely distinct from whether someone has broken the law, which is different to offending someone or being offensive (and, I think, should remain that way).

I can't think celebrating Thatcher's death would break any law and I doubt the public order offences used against Stacey could be used. But then, I do think there is a questionmark over the charges made against Stacey and certainly the sentence.


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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 4:12:43 PM   
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Was he actually sentenced for the comments about the possible death or the racial abuse ones?

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 4:28:31 PM   
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I think it said it was summarised as a racially aggravated public order offence? 

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 4:32:21 PM   
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That's why I think this would end up different to a tweet cheering Thatcher's death, the racism element here gave something else to convict on.

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 4:34:46 PM   
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It was 2 different offences though - the racial element was only one part.

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causing intentional harassment, alarm or distress under s4A of the Public Order Act 1988


From DPP's post above, was the other charge.


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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 4:38:21 PM   
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But would it have ended up as a prison sentence based solely on that aspect of it or would it have been seen as shaky ground without the racism charges? Where's DPP when you need him?

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 4:54:42 PM   
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Is there a political equivalent of bigotry? Like, hating someone for their political beliefs instead of religious beliefs?

I'm thinking, you can get charged for calling someone a fenian so-and-so at a football game but can you get done for calling Thatcher a Tory bitch?

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 5:03:30 PM   
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I'm thinking, you can get charged for calling someone a fenian so-and-so at a football game but can you get done for calling Thatcher a Tory bitch?


Yeah but there's a religious aspect to calling one a Fenian these days, plus all the hoo-ha surrounding it.

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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 5:05:46 PM   
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As Spaldron says - hence the ban of that term on the boards. All of the sentencing notes I can find for Section 4a also refer to religious/racial bigotry so I can't work out what the sentence without the aggravation.


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RE: Should Liam Stacey have gone to prison? - 11/4/2012 5:06:43 PM   
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I'm thinking, you can get charged for calling someone a fenian so-and-so at a football game but can you get done for calling Thatcher a Tory bitch?


Hmmm, arguably, could attaching the term 'bitch' not add a sexist element to the abuse? Certainly I know a fair few women's groups who would object to the term regardless of the type of person it's aimed at.


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