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The Pirates! In An Adventure With Scientists! - 27/3/2012 1:04:45 PM   
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2D FTW - 27/3/2012 1:04:45 PM   
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Absolutely loved this. Have seen it now in both 2D and 3D and as ever the movie fares much better in 2D. Really charming and laugh out loud funny.

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RE: 2D FTW - 27/3/2012 1:43:21 PM   
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Really charming and laugh out loud funny.


Just like the book then, right? (Although Communists is by far and away the best of the books). I still want to know how they are getting round the naming conventions of the crew (the pirate with a scarf, the albino pirate, the pirate in green, the pirate with a hook for a hand, the pirate who used to be a male model). I'm not sure how that's going to translate directly to the big screen...

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RE: 2D FTW - 27/3/2012 1:50:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sephiroth7

Really charming and laugh out loud funny.


Just like the book then, right? (Although Communists is by far and away the best of the books). I still want to know how they are getting round the naming conventions of the crew (the pirate with a scarf, the albino pirate, the pirate in green, the pirate with a hook for a hand, the pirate who used to be a male model). I'm not sure how that's going to translate directly to the big screen...


Do the books have a fish dressed with a hat?

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RE: 2D FTW - 27/3/2012 1:58:58 PM   
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Really charming and laugh out loud funny.


Just like the book then, right? (Although Communists is by far and away the best of the books). I still want to know how they are getting round the naming conventions of the crew (the pirate with a scarf, the albino pirate, the pirate in green, the pirate with a hook for a hand, the pirate who used to be a male model). I'm not sure how that's going to translate directly to the big screen...


Do the books have a fish dressed with a hat?


No. They do feature a fair few anachronisms though. Like post-it notes.

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RE: 2D FTW - 27/3/2012 2:07:59 PM   
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That's ok. I'm currently trying to get over the tragedy that Pirates! has only been released in 3D here. Can I cry on shoulder clowny?

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RE: 2D FTW - 27/3/2012 10:14:14 PM   
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That's ok. I'm currently trying to get over the tragedy that Pirates! has only been released in 3D here. Can I cry on shoulder clowny?


Sure thing Dev. I think I might need a hug as well. The dastardly Bishop of Oxford seems to have been replaced by the Pirate! hating Queen Victoria. And Black Bellamy seems to say 'Dude' a lot. So, it's not going to be exactly like the book (well, the Pirate of the Year debacle is the prologue to the Pirates! Adventure with Napoleon). Just so long as it includes the pieces of ape gag, or the priceless comedy moment involving the pirate with an accordion, I'll be happy...

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RE: 2D FTW - 27/3/2012 10:27:15 PM   
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My local cinema is showing the film in both 2D and 3D, which I was shocked about to be honest. Well, I say 'local' but it takes about 45 minutes to get there.

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Pirates IN an Adventure with Scientists: 2D FTW - 28/3/2012 9:29:17 PM   
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Gloriously, joyously silly and hugely imaginative. Clowny, worry not - Defoe does not let book fans down 

Also, the pirates rarely get name-checked anyway, I think pretty much just the once for any of them. And he tends to call the pirate with the scarf 'no.2'.

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RE: Pirates IN an Adventure with Scientists: 2D FTW - 29/3/2012 5:01:54 PM   
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Ashamed to say I was slightly dissapointed with this the look was perfect it just seemed to be lacking fully on the humor department, just didn't make me laugh like I expected it to.
7/10 (Was hopeing or expecting an 8 or 9)

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- 1/4/2012 4:49:16 PM   
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Extra star for shoehorning Flight of the Conchords on to the soundtrack.

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Here Be Monsters! - 1/4/2012 8:36:19 PM   
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Inventive, subversive, entertaining - Aardman couldn't be boring if they tried! The trailer made it look predictable, but fair play, they save most of the good jokes for the film. As always, the best gags are visual - Charles Darwin telling his monkey to shh ... when he holds up a 'BUT' block capitals sign! I wonder if Aardman shouldn't do a completely silent film - well, it worked for 'The Artist'!

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RE: Here Be Monsters! - 4/4/2012 5:25:23 PM   
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Pirate Captain is an ambitious but not too competent amateur pirate with a very strange crew which include Pirate With Gout, Surprisingly Curvaceous Pirate and Number Two, who is, of course, his number two. Every year he tries to win the coveted Pirate Of The Year award, and every year he fails, hardly surprising when his opponents are the cream of the pirating crop such as Black Bellamy, Peg Leg Hastings and Cutlass Liz. This year, he is trying one last time, and with his crew sets out to pillage as much booty as he can. He takes over the ship of Charles Darwin, who is on a scientific voyage looking for rare animals. Darwin reveals that Captain’s adored parrot Polly is, in fact, a dodo. If the crew will sail him to London and enable Darwin to present the bird to his fellow scientists, he suggests they will have the riches that they have so long desired……


I don’t know what it is about Aardman and especially Wallace And Gromit. I am in total admiration for the painstaking craftsmanship employed, and do like their work, but I don’t love it, which seems to annoy many people, Wallace And Gromit being one of those things that everyone is supposed to love. So far my favourite Aardman productions have been collaborations with other studios such as Flushed Away [my favourite] and Arthur Christmas. Then again, I’ m the kind of heathen who prefers the Shrek franchise to the Toy Story franchise! Now I actually expected rather a lot from Pirates!, which is Aardman’s second collaboration with Sony Animation, and it seems to be getting uniformly good reviews, but I found it a bit of a disappointment. It’s certainly an enjoyable hour and a half, and it will certainly keep most young children occupied, but it is not really anything special. Perhaps Gideon Defoe, who adapted his book for the screen, was the wrong person to do it?

The basic premise is certainly an irresistible one, and Pirate Captain is a wonderful character, a totally ineffectual pirate with a misguided sense of his own importance and his beard. I was reminded a little of Captain Jack Sparrow, who is told he is “probably the worst pirate on the world”. His crew, who most amusingly include a fish with a hat, are a colourful lot, but are not characterised much and not enough is done with them. Instead we spend more time with a less interesting Darwin, who bemoans the fact that he can’t get a girlfriend. There is a hilarious sequence near the beginning where Captain and his crew unsuccessfully attack a variety of ships including a children’s tour ship, a leper ship and a ghost ship, but for the most part the humour is more mildly amusing rather than side-splitting. Some of the funniest bits are actually in the background, such as a wanted poster for a notorious pirate, offering as a reward “12 doubloons and a free pen”. Overall though, I often smiled, but only sometimes laughed, which surprised me a little, as much of the comedy is of an absurdist nature not that far from Monty Python at times. I also find certain things, such as a monkey with subtitle cards which was also used in A Monster In Paris, rather familiar.

There is undoubtedly a wonderful surreality to aspects of the film. A pirate arrives at a town emerging from the mouth of a whale. An early chase set piece involving a bath, stairs, an Easter Island statue [don’t ask] and other things is astoundingly imaginative, and the climactic action includes such bizarre sights as a huge blob-like creation, the unintended result of mixing vinegar and dough mix. The plot winds up being less interesting and more conventional than expected, but does throw in a few surprises. You may be surprised to see Queen Victoria as a villain, and a really nasty and clever one at that, one who is able to do the most amazing things. The film only sometimes reaches the heights it ought to though. That is not to say it’s a bad movie; it certainly isn’t. It’s fairly good, but fairly good isn’t really enough. Every now and again, there is a great image or idea, and, just for a second or two, there is the sense of a truly magical, awe-inspiring, funny movie, but a movie which is not really the one we have been given.

Like the second, third and fourth Pirates Of The Caribbean efforts, Pirates! skirts around the issue of what pirates were [ or should that be are?] like and romanticises the plundering and pillaging, which has always left an awkward taste in my mouth though of course you couldn’t show the reality in a ‘U’ certificate film! Technically of course Pirates! is superb. Unlike last year’s Arthur Christmas, which approximated the Aardman character look through computer animation, Pirates! is a welcome return to plasticine and stop motion, and it took them five years to make. CGI has been used for the backgrounds, and it actually goes smoothly with the hand- made action at the foreground. The amount of tiny detail everywhere is incredible; though I wasn’t ‘wowed’ by the film, I do want to see it again at home to pick up on all the background things I missed first time round. I was especially impressed with the water, some of the best CG water I have ever seen. Of course, like most films that are released in the format, I had no interest in seeing the 3D version, and I doubt that it adds to proceedings much.

The voice work is very well done in this film and I can safely say that Hugh Grant, voicing Pirate Captain, gives a really good performance, which certainly surprised me. In fact, it might be the best performance he has ever given, of course helped by the fact that you don’t see him. There’s a nicely eclectic use of songs, from The Clash to Flight Of The Concordes, which works considering the free-wheeling nature of the film. There is a great deal to like in Pirates!, there’s nothing bad in it, but not much to love, at least in my opinion, except for perhaps the technical wizardry. Much like Wallace And Gromit, I suppose. In my opinion…..of course!

Rating: 6.5/10

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- 4/4/2012 10:01:39 PM   
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A brillant film from the masters of stop-motion-Aardman. This film appeals to both children and adults with some brilliant references to pop-culture. Definantley worth a watch and very enjoyable.

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Sexist shambles. - 5/4/2012 12:15:39 AM   
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The Pirates! Certificate U. Expect a fun filled family friendly comedy, delivered with a sexist atrocity.

Certificate U endorses that this film is appropriate for anyone over the age of 4. Not only does this include highly impressionable young children, but also highly impressionable men. The women in this film come in three categories:

1. The sexual object – the cooing ladies luring in ‘the Pirate Captain’ One of whom actually turns out to be Jane Austen, with breasts alluring him and him dribbling over them. This is hardly an example of intelligent respectability. The constant referral to women by the male characters solely as sexual objects especially Charles Darwin who “never got to second base” and has “never had a girlfriend”. The only female character in the ‘pirate of the year competition’ is a booty swinging, scantily glad girl, great role model.

2. The manipulator- Queen Victoria uses the attraction she holds over Charles Darwin to her own advantage. What lesson is this teaching young girls? What lesson is this teaching young boys about the dangers of women? This is not a healthy portrayal to a young audience. Queen Victoria is similarly recognised by men with regard to her appearance and even refers to herself as a “just a weak woman” on more than one occasion.

3. The ‘man’ - The only woman to seem happy and ‘part of the gang’ has to by covering up as a man. The only one who manages to be accepted and ‘fit in’. Her femininity is never officially recognised, even at the climax where all the loose ends are tied up – this subtly suggests she must remain in denial of her gender to remain included.

This is not even mentioning the portrayal of the scientists as ‘nerds’ who don’t have girlfriends and lead boring lifestyles. Exactly the image you want your child to have. I worry for the future generations, and will look t

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RE: Sexist shambles. - 5/4/2012 5:33:58 AM   
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RE: Sexist shambles. - 5/4/2012 8:22:06 AM   
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The Pirates! Certificate U. Expect a fun filled family friendly comedy, delivered with a sexist atrocity.

Certificate U endorses that this film is appropriate for anyone over the age of 4. Not only does this include highly impressionable young children, but also highly impressionable men. The women in this film come in three categories:

1. The sexual object – the cooing ladies luring in ‘the Pirate Captain’ One of whom actually turns out to be Jane Austen, with breasts alluring him and him dribbling over them. This is hardly an example of intelligent respectability. The constant referral to women by the male characters solely as sexual objects especially Charles Darwin who “never got to second base” and has “never had a girlfriend”. The only female character in the ‘pirate of the year competition’ is a booty swinging, scantily glad girl, great role model.

2. The manipulator- Queen Victoria uses the attraction she holds over Charles Darwin to her own advantage. What lesson is this teaching young girls? What lesson is this teaching young boys about the dangers of women? This is not a healthy portrayal to a young audience. Queen Victoria is similarly recognised by men with regard to her appearance and even refers to herself as a “just a weak woman” on more than one occasion.

3. The ‘man’ - The only woman to seem happy and ‘part of the gang’ has to by covering up as a man. The only one who manages to be accepted and ‘fit in’. Her femininity is never officially recognised, even at the climax where all the loose ends are tied up – this subtly suggests she must remain in denial of her gender to remain included.

This is not even mentioning the portrayal of the scientists as ‘nerds’ who don’t have girlfriends and lead boring lifestyles. Exactly the image you want your child to have. I worry for the future generations, and will look t



Oh some feminists....calm down love.

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RE: Sexist shambles. - 5/4/2012 10:16:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OliviaJessica

The Pirates! Certificate U. Expect a fun filled family friendly comedy, delivered with a sexist atrocity.

Certificate U endorses that this film is appropriate for anyone over the age of 4. Not only does this include highly impressionable young children, but also highly impressionable men. The women in this film come in three categories:

1. The sexual object – the cooing ladies luring in ‘the Pirate Captain’ One of whom actually turns out to be Jane Austen, with breasts alluring him and him dribbling over them. This is hardly an example of intelligent respectability. The constant referral to women by the male characters solely as sexual objects especially Charles Darwin who “never got to second base” and has “never had a girlfriend”. The only female character in the ‘pirate of the year competition’ is a booty swinging, scantily glad girl, great role model.

2. The manipulator- Queen Victoria uses the attraction she holds over Charles Darwin to her own advantage. What lesson is this teaching young girls? What lesson is this teaching young boys about the dangers of women? This is not a healthy portrayal to a young audience. Queen Victoria is similarly recognised by men with regard to her appearance and even refers to herself as a “just a weak woman” on more than one occasion.

3. The ‘man’ - The only woman to seem happy and ‘part of the gang’ has to by covering up as a man. The only one who manages to be accepted and ‘fit in’. Her femininity is never officially recognised, even at the climax where all the loose ends are tied up – this subtly suggests she must remain in denial of her gender to remain included.

This is not even mentioning the portrayal of the scientists as ‘nerds’ who don’t have girlfriends and lead boring lifestyles. Exactly the image you want your child to have. I worry for the future generations, and will look t



Oh some feminists....calm down love.


You are a sexist shambles Dev.

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RE: Sexist shambles. - 5/4/2012 1:03:59 PM   
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Please be quiet. I'm quite pissed that there are about 3.5 billion women on the planet AND I still had to make my own sandwich.

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RE: Sexist shambles. - 5/4/2012 1:09:09 PM   
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Oh [female]God I hope OliviaJessica didn't hear you say that. You'll get both phallically-symbolic barrels.

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RE: Sexist shambles. - 5/4/2012 1:18:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OliviaJessica

The Pirates! Certificate U. Expect a fun filled family friendly comedy, delivered with a sexist atrocity.

Certificate U endorses that this film is appropriate for anyone over the age of 4. Not only does this include highly impressionable young children, but also highly impressionable men. The women in this film come in three categories:

1. The sexual object – the cooing ladies luring in ‘the Pirate Captain’ One of whom actually turns out to be Jane Austen, with breasts alluring him and him dribbling over them. This is hardly an example of intelligent respectability. The constant referral to women by the male characters solely as sexual objects especially Charles Darwin who “never got to second base” and has “never had a girlfriend”. The only female character in the ‘pirate of the year competition’ is a booty swinging, scantily glad girl, great role model.

2. The manipulator- Queen Victoria uses the attraction she holds over Charles Darwin to her own advantage. What lesson is this teaching young girls? What lesson is this teaching young boys about the dangers of women? This is not a healthy portrayal to a young audience. Queen Victoria is similarly recognised by men with regard to her appearance and even refers to herself as a “just a weak woman” on more than one occasion.

3. The ‘man’ - The only woman to seem happy and ‘part of the gang’ has to by covering up as a man. The only one who manages to be accepted and ‘fit in’. Her femininity is never officially recognised, even at the climax where all the loose ends are tied up – this subtly suggests she must remain in denial of her gender to remain included.

This is not even mentioning the portrayal of the scientists as ‘nerds’ who don’t have girlfriends and lead boring lifestyles. Exactly the image you want your child to have. I worry for the future generations, and will look t




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RE: Sexist shambles. - 5/4/2012 1:32:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OliviaJessica

The Pirates! Certificate U. Expect a fun filled family friendly comedy, delivered with a sexist atrocity.

Certificate U endorses that this film is appropriate for anyone over the age of 4. Not only does this include highly impressionable young children, but also highly impressionable men. The women in this film come in three categories:

1. The sexual object – the cooing ladies luring in ‘the Pirate Captain’ One of whom actually turns out to be Jane Austen, with breasts alluring him and him dribbling over them. This is hardly an example of intelligent respectability. The constant referral to women by the male characters solely as sexual objects especially Charles Darwin who “never got to second base” and has “never had a girlfriend”. The only female character in the ‘pirate of the year competition’ is a booty swinging, scantily glad girl, great role model.

2. The manipulator- Queen Victoria uses the attraction she holds over Charles Darwin to her own advantage. What lesson is this teaching young girls? What lesson is this teaching young boys about the dangers of women? This is not a healthy portrayal to a young audience. Queen Victoria is similarly recognised by men with regard to her appearance and even refers to herself as a “just a weak woman” on more than one occasion.

3. The ‘man’ - The only woman to seem happy and ‘part of the gang’ has to by covering up as a man. The only one who manages to be accepted and ‘fit in’. Her femininity is never officially recognised, even at the climax where all the loose ends are tied up – this subtly suggests she must remain in denial of her gender to remain included.

This is not even mentioning the portrayal of the scientists as ‘nerds’ who don’t have girlfriends and lead boring lifestyles. Exactly the image you want your child to have. I worry for the future generations, and will look t


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RE: The Pirates! In An Adventure With Scientists! - 5/4/2012 2:00:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OliviaJessica

The Pirates! Certificate U. Expect a fun filled family friendly comedy, delivered with a sexist atrocity.

Certificate U endorses that this film is appropriate for anyone over the age of 4. Not only does this include highly impressionable young children, but also highly impressionable men. The women in this film come in three categories:

1. The sexual object – the cooing ladies luring in ‘the Pirate Captain’ One of whom actually turns out to be Jane Austen, with breasts alluring him and him dribbling over them. This is hardly an example of intelligent respectability. The constant referral to women by the male characters solely as sexual objects especially Charles Darwin who “never got to second base” and has “never had a girlfriend”. The only female character in the ‘pirate of the year competition’ is a booty swinging, scantily glad girl, great role model.

2. The manipulator- Queen Victoria uses the attraction she holds over Charles Darwin to her own advantage. What lesson is this teaching young girls? What lesson is this teaching young boys about the dangers of women? This is not a healthy portrayal to a young audience. Queen Victoria is similarly recognised by men with regard to her appearance and even refers to herself as a “just a weak woman” on more than one occasion.

3. The ‘man’ - The only woman to seem happy and ‘part of the gang’ has to by covering up as a man. The only one who manages to be accepted and ‘fit in’. Her femininity is never officially recognised, even at the climax where all the loose ends are tied up – this subtly suggests she must remain in denial of her gender to remain included.

This is not even mentioning the portrayal of the scientists as ‘nerds’ who don’t have girlfriends and lead boring lifestyles. Exactly the image you want your child to have. I worry for the future generations, and will look t



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RE: Sexist shambles. - 5/4/2012 2:19:49 PM   
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The Pirates! Certificate U. Expect a fun filled family friendly comedy, delivered with a sexist atrocity.

Certificate U endorses that this film is appropriate for anyone over the age of 4. Not only does this include highly impressionable young children, but also highly impressionable men. The women in this film come in three categories:

1. The sexual object – the cooing ladies luring in ‘the Pirate Captain’ One of whom actually turns out to be Jane Austen, with breasts alluring him and him dribbling over them. This is hardly an example of intelligent respectability. The constant referral to women by the male characters solely as sexual objects especially Charles Darwin who “never got to second base” and has “never had a girlfriend”. The only female character in the ‘pirate of the year competition’ is a booty swinging, scantily glad girl, great role model.

2. The manipulator- Queen Victoria uses the attraction she holds over Charles Darwin to her own advantage. What lesson is this teaching young girls? What lesson is this teaching young boys about the dangers of women? This is not a healthy portrayal to a young audience. Queen Victoria is similarly recognised by men with regard to her appearance and even refers to herself as a “just a weak woman” on more than one occasion.

3. The ‘man’ - The only woman to seem happy and ‘part of the gang’ has to by covering up as a man. The only one who manages to be accepted and ‘fit in’. Her femininity is never officially recognised, even at the climax where all the loose ends are tied up – this subtly suggests she must remain in denial of her gender to remain included.

This is not even mentioning the portrayal of the scientists as ‘nerds’ who don’t have girlfriends and lead boring lifestyles. Exactly the image you want your child to have. I worry for the future generations, and will look t


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RE: The Pirates! In An Adventure With Scientists! - 5/4/2012 2:24:46 PM   
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So you have a pirate who's female and clearly on a normal day more capable than the hapless main character who happily kills anyone who gets in her way - ie a pirate, female or not.

The main character is male therefore lured by females - this isn't really something to get fussed over.

It being a period piece women didn't by and large get to go to sea so took the initiative to disguise themselves to do what they wished in defiance of societal norms - and you're criticising that get up and go? (Also, it's Juliet Mills, straight out of Carry on Jack).

And as for Victoria - an intelligent, evil villainess who can kick arse in her own right - and that's a problem?!?

I'm probably the first to have concerns about the male focus in much modern animation - Pixar have a particularly poor record IMO and the father/son thing has been done to death. They are still highly enjoyable as individual films, which doesn't stop a separate conversation on where the role models for young girls can be found or even a sight of a female lead. I don't see that being pertinent here given, technically, it's a period film and we don't generally rewrite history to pander to modern sensibility. Which is why if if you're concerned about giving young girls films where they are the focus I'd direct you to Studio Ghibli.

And for some of the other comments? Sexist jokes are still sexist jokes - so please put the proverbial sock in them because I doubt this poster is in on that particular brand of funny?

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RE: Here Be Monsters! - 5/4/2012 2:28:35 PM   
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Inventive, subversive, entertaining - Aardman couldn't be boring if they tried!


Isn't much of the inventiveness and subversiveness down to Gideon Defoe though? Aardman just add to this...

(still haven't seen it, sniff).


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RE: The Pirates! In An Adventure With Scientists! - 5/4/2012 2:39:23 PM   
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And for some of the other comments? Sexist jokes are still sexist jokes - so please put the proverbial sock in them because I doubt this poster is in on that particular brand of funny?


Fair enough. Soz

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RE: The Pirates! In An Adventure With Scientists! - 5/4/2012 2:48:15 PM   
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So you have a pirate who's female and clearly on a normal day more capable than the hapless main character who happily kills anyone who gets in her way - ie a pirate, female or not.

The main character is male therefore lured by females - this isn't really something to get fussed over.

It being a period piece women didn't by and large get to go to sea so took the initiative to disguise themselves to do what they wished in defiance of societal norms - and you're criticising that get up and go? (Also, it's Juliet Mills, straight out of Carry on Jack).

And as for Victoria - an intelligent, evil villainess who can kick arse in her own right - and that's a problem?!?

I'm probably the first to have concerns about the male focus in much modern animation - Pixar have a particularly poor record IMO and the father/son thing has been done to death. They are still highly enjoyable as individual films, which doesn't stop a separate conversation on where the role models for young girls can be found or even a sight of a female lead. I don't see that being pertinent here given, technically, it's a period film and we don't generally rewrite history to pander to modern sensibility. Which is why if if you're concerned about giving young girls films where they are the focus I'd direct you to Studio Ghibli.

And for some of the other comments? Sexist jokes are still sexist jokes - so please put the proverbial sock in them because I doubt this poster is in on that particular brand of funny?


Not to mention that Defoe's original intent for writing The Pirates! Adventures was to impress a girl. This is an on-going joke throughout the book series. i.e. the Pirates! are a hapless shambles of men that are mostly wedded to the sea because they can't get girlfriends. When Jennifer, a Victorian lady, joins the crew she is easily the most able and effective of the group. It's like art reflecting Defoe's reality. Or something like that. Where OliviaJessica sees sexism in her narrow world view, others see the joke being the ineptitude of men (exacerbated through the Pirate Captain's high opinion of himself) . The female characters in the books actually rule over them (Jennifer, Cutlass Liz) because they're smart. Remember the secondary school dichotomy between teenage girls and teenage boys. It's a bit like that. That's the key to why the books work so well. Alongside the Pirate Captain being the Inspector Clouseau of the high seas...

Although elab, with all the anachronisms I'm not sure how it can really be considered a period piece...


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RE: The Pirates! In An Adventure With Scientists! - 5/4/2012 3:04:03 PM   
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I know - I word these things terribly.

Potential Spoilers from the Books

I can see why they didn't choose to include Jennifer in this film (inevitable with the shift of villain and loss of the circus plot) - I'd guess a shoe-in for the sequel, though.

Hopefully you'll get to see it soon though.

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Charming and clever - 6/4/2012 1:31:44 PM   
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Aardman are such a clever bunch and their productions always a joy. Typical wit and nonsense here, always entertaining and always clever with a number of visual gags you will probably miss on the first viewing.

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