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ORIGINAL: sam89
There's nothing wrong with what I said.
Statement 1 - Banning a specific comment is censorship, whereas faith is a particular irrational way of thinking and therefore cannot be censored. Just as educating people about racism isn't the same as banning racist comments, educating people about the dangers of faith isn't the same as banning faith based comments. So I see no problem here.
The arrogance that suggests that religious people need to be educated. That's what screams of trolling.
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Statement 2 - I'm assuming you're saying this contradicts statement 1? Eradicating a particular way of thinking that is detrimental to human well-being (e.g. faith/bigotry) isn't the same as censorship and should be applauded as long as it is done by education rather than force.
In your mind it's detrimental, I'm sure to a religious person their faith is a great help in their life. Once again, the statement that assumes you're right and those who disagree with you are in need of education is either trolling or a remarkable level of arrogance.
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Statement 3 - Religious texts such as the Bible and the Koran endorse murder, slavery, sexism, homophobia, racism and rape. And all of this is endorsed by the all knowing creator of the universe. I can see how that might lead to evil acts. Obviously the majority of religious people are peaceful, but that's besides the point. There's the famous quote by Steven Weinberg which goes "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
Yes, some religious people commit fucked up acts. So do some non-religious people. And racism, homophobia and all the rest is just as much of an issue among the non-religious as it is the religious. Religion doesn't drive good people to become bigots, they're bigots anyway, hiding it behind their religion. Because if all it took to become a bigot was exposure to religious books, then every religious person would be a bigot.
The fact is, that in other threads you're willing to say that those offended by anti-gay or racist beliefs can just ignore them, the most important part is that those beliefs aren't censored. Yet here, your ultimate aim is to eradicate faith, because you think that those without faith are somehow superior. That is censorship, no matter how much you try and dress it up. . And let's not forget, you haven't tried voicing this as an opinion in a general religion thread, you've gone into a thread about the recovery of an ill man and used his personal comments about his own belief as a stick to beat him with. He hasn't tried forcing those beliefs on others, he's talked about his near-death experience and how his belief gave him strength. Why that should bother you, or anyone else, astonishes me.
I'm not religious in any sense, but this kind of extreme atheism, where people somehow feel they have not only the right, but the obligation, to try and "educate" others so they're no longer religious doesn't strike me as being very different from religious fundamentalists who think they have the right to try and get everyone to follow their beliefs. You're both trying to enforce your own belief system at the expense of others, you're both coming from an assumed superiority to the others, the only true difference between you is where that sense of superiority comes from.
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