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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 12:24:24 AM

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I watched Thor this evening, and it was exactly what I described above. I'd even forgotten that it was Kenneth Branagh that directed it. Wish I could forget more about it than just that....

Thor is ace.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 12:32:20 AM

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Thor was pretty dumb. The humans have books on norse myth that say Loki is a bad guy, yet somehow Thor and gang don't realise this?

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 12:39:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Thor was pretty dumb. The humans have books on norse myth that say Loki is a bad guy, yet somehow Thor and gang don't realise this?

Of course its dumb, all the recent Marvel films are, but it makes up for it in other ways.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 12:45:48 AM

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It's just the "In" thing I guess, much like the thousands of Westerns and Musicals in the past.

It won't last forever.

Which is what I quite like about the current comic-book boom. Personal feelings as to the quality of the films themselves aside, the last ten years have seen Hollywood defined by the comic-book film, much in the same way that the Western defined it's era, and the manner in which Musical is inherently connected with the American cinema of the mid-1930's thru to the late 50's. It's healthy for the mainstream cinema to have an identity, and is ultimately a good thing. If not we wind up with the bland formless cinema of the late-90's. Hell, I cannot abhor the shitty muscle flicks of the 80's, but at least it leaves a definable period on which to look back on.

Besides, its not like we're not spoilt for choice with current cinema offerings. Don't want to go see John Carter? Once Upon A Time In Anatolia is out on Friday, or you could go see Michael. Or 21 Jump Street. Or Trishna. It might look as tho there are tons of comic-book movies coming up later this year, but, and I'm limiting this solely to the American cinema, we also have the likes of Gravity, The Master, Cogan's Trade, Moonrise Kingdom, new films from John Hillcoat, Terrence Malick and Tarantino (and Prometheus and The Expendables 2 too). Sure, there are a couple of superhero films here and there, but ultimately they're off-set by tons of really exciting looking movies (and thats presuming that you are actually fed up of comic-book movies, when most don't seem to be anyway).

If you're fed up of a specific type of film then it's nobodies fault but your own. Move on, try something new.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 12:48:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Thor was pretty dumb. The humans have books on norse myth that say Loki is a bad guy, yet somehow Thor and gang don't realise this?

Isn't the shortsightedness (driven by arrogance) of the gods a major plot point tho? The entire film is about "learning", I don't think its fair to write off a film as "dumb" when it addresses the very criticism being made at it.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 12:53:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: adambatman82

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Thor was pretty dumb. The humans have books on norse myth that say Loki is a bad guy, yet somehow Thor and gang don't realise this?

Isn't the shortsightedness (driven by arrogance) of the gods a major plot point tho? The entire film is about "learning", I don't think its fair to write off a film as "dumb" when it addresses the very criticism being made at it.

Well there is that, and there is the question of how the humans knew something for two thousand years, that none of the "gods" had figured out.

It was a silly scene to throw in I think, because it takes away the motivation for Loki, and makes it seem like he was always going to be bad.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 12:58:12 AM

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Wow this thread. Where to begin?

While I can't fault Snake Eyes for having different tastes from others, dismissing the Superhero Genre is quite odd to me. Especially when that opinion is partly predicated on dismissing films that haven't even opened yet - such as The Dark Knight Returns and Marvel Avengers Assemble An Ikea Bookcase, or whatever the fuck that thing is called now.

Dismissing an entire genre because of a few duds boggles my mind and seems a bit close minded to me. It's kinda like me dismissing the horror genre because Eli Roth displays the directorial prowess of a lobotomised chimp with his suckfest Hostel flicks, or because the last six Saw movies suck balls.

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ORIGINAL: Snake-Eyes

It just seems to me that nowadays, every latte-slurping, i-pad-peddling, band-wagon-hopping mother-f**ker has automatically become a 'comic-fan' 'cos it's the 'cool' thing to do. So, on go the nice 'designer' T-shirts by Ecko with a nice 'Spider-Man' on it and voila! ANY PRICK can become an expert on all things Marvel & DC! And hey, if that doesn't work, fear not! The latest issue of EMPIRE is f**king GUARANTEED to have a superhero film cover, so just pick that up on the way to Starbuck's. Oh! And don't forget to get yer Marvel, DC or even Dark Horse Comics 'App' for your Tablet. Oh yeah, 70+ Years of storytelling history, nice and convenient.

Sweeping generalisations are fun, aren't they?

I guess you could say that the term "comic book geek" has been taken on by some people as a cool label, but isn't it possible that the success of films such as the recently rejuvenated Batman franchise or the Marvel Studios films might have ignited a genuine interest of comic books in people who are serious in their desire to devour as many DC/Marvel/Dark Horse stories as they can? Or maybe you're just too blinkered to consider this as possibility, I don't know, sir...

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I mean shit, I've already been made a bit of a pariah due to the fact that I'm no fan of Nolan or Wright.

I highly doubt that any reasonable, even keeled poster sees you as pariah because SHOCK! HORROR! you dislike the works of Mr. Wright and Mr. Nolan. And the percentage of reasonable, even keeled posters is pretty damned high on this forum.

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It's already a knackered genre.

Nah.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 1:01:50 AM

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I have to say snake, I don't anyone had a problem with you not liking Wrights films - it was the way you approached that criticism that perhaps ruffled a few feathers.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 1:26:34 AM

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It was a silly scene to throw in I think, because it takes away the motivation for Loki, and makes it seem like he was always going to be bad.

I think thats kind of the point: It's the inevitable tragedy of the story, hence the focus on the fatherly relationships for much of the first act.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 1:34:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: adambatman82

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

It was a silly scene to throw in I think, because it takes away the motivation for Loki, and makes it seem like he was always going to be bad.

I think thats kind of the point: It's the inevitable tragedy of the story, hence the focus on the fatherly relationships for much of the first act.

But going in we as an audience know that. I just found it odd that all the rest of the world in-universe was also clued in before Thor was.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 8:43:22 AM

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I think this year...The Avengers project finally wrapped up

Haha, this is cute.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 12:04:32 PM

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This is a damned entertaining thread to read.

I don't see the issue with Superhreo/Comic films. Yes some are pretty poor ( I find nearly all watchable though), but mostly you either end up with a stupid and highly enjoyable film with big set pieces, star names and big SFX (Thor, Spiderman 1/2, Scott Pilgrim, Batman Returns..) or you get something with more depth that stands alone as a great film based on performances ,plot etc: (The Dark Knight/BB, Hellboy 2 or X-Men 2).

They are fantastic escapism films...what's not to like??

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 12:55:06 PM

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I take it then, with your burning hatred for superhero/comic book films, you won't be seeing The Divider this year?

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 1:38:56 PM

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I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 1:49:20 PM

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What is Snakes opinion on the Stallone Judge Dread?

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 2:52:23 PM

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What is Snakes opinion on the Stallone Judge Dread?

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 3:39:27 PM

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What is Snakes opinion on the Stallone Judge Dread?

Ah shit!!!! Predictive phone

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 12/3/2012 5:16:22 PM

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What is Snakes opinion on the Stallone Judge Dread?

Ah shit!!!! Predictive phone

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Ahhh now I get it. Awseome avatar btw. (darthbane)

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 13/3/2012 8:23:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: darthbane

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What is Snakes opinion on the Stallone Judge Dread?

Ah shit!!!! Predictive phone

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Ahhh now I get it. Awseome avatar btw. (darthbane)

Thanks. I'd like to say that I made especially for this thread

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 14/3/2012 12:37:11 PM

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I don't mind comic book films, they're dumb & entertaining enough & I like how they tie in all the Marvel into Avengers recently. However, my issue is with the likes of Ryan Reynolds & Chris Evans playing 5 different main characters between them, even though they are characters split across Marvel, DC etc.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 14/3/2012 12:39:25 PM

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However, my issue is with the likes of Ryan Reynolds & Chris Evans playing 5 different main characters between them, even though they are characters split across Marvel, DC etc.

I don't think its that big a deal tbh. Was anyone bothered when Harrison Ford popped up as both Indiana Jones and Han Solo?

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 14/3/2012 1:59:38 PM

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However, my issue is with the likes of Ryan Reynolds & Chris Evans playing 5 different main characters between them, even though they are characters split across Marvel, DC etc.

I don't think its that big a deal tbh. Was anyone bothered when Harrison Ford popped up as both Indiana Jones and Han Solo?

But that's totally different, it's not as if there's spaceships and shit in Indiana Jo........oh......wait.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 14/3/2012 2:41:19 PM

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Comic book casting is very difficult and you will always end up with a crowd that hates your decision.

Do you cast based on appearance? Or characteristic similarities? Maybe listen to the fans (ha)? How about their acting talent? Or simply just throw in any attractive and so-hot-right-now actor/actrress and hope that his/her fans come in their swarms to the cinema.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 14/3/2012 3:28:27 PM

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However, my issue is with the likes of Ryan Reynolds & Chris Evans playing 5 different main characters between them, even though they are characters split across Marvel, DC etc.

I don't think Evans was really an issue as Cap, because clearly there weren't going to be any more FF films with him in. Reynolds is getting to the point of "Man, can they really not hire someone else?".

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 14/3/2012 3:37:27 PM

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There wll always be superhero films and there will always be fanboys who cant accept that comics and movies are different mediums.There are actually people out there who are still upset that Wolverine doesnt wear yellow spandex in the X men films.

Others like Snake Eyes, will always be bitter because THEY ARENT LIKE THE FILMS I WATCHED AS A KID DURING THE EIGHTIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 14/3/2012 4:38:44 PM

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Do you KNOW you're gonna get gunned down for this because you, yourself know that, that's a very ridiculous and stupid generalisation of people? How about if I generalised you because you speak on an internet forum? I could say you're a 30-40 year old virgin who stays in his mum's basement but that most likely wouldn't be true would it?

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I don't agree with you Snake mate but I can understand your frustration. Coverage for the genre is immense and of course if it isn't to one's palate, then it can be quite annoying seeing superhero films everywhere. I'm glad they're being made, sure there's a few rubbish ones but you can say the same for any genre of film. A film's only as good as its core components. As for the pervasiveness of comic books films with merchandise and things. I don't think that's a bad thing. They're modern mythological figures if you will and I think it's only natural that more and more people embrace them. I can't speak for some nominal group that may or may not have jumped on an apparent bandwagon. But it's just the trend that they've become more accessible to the average film-goer. Some interpret that as a 'dumbing down' of a genre, I don't. I think it's a good thing.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 14/3/2012 7:20:13 PM

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A few years ago I should've felt the way S-E does but about the brief "Grindhouse" fascination.
70's and 80's Exploitation Pictures are a huge love of mine and held them a little too tightly to my chest so would be dumbfounded and a touch angered by magazines and websites when they did things like "THE TOP 10 GRINDHOUSE FILMS YOU MUST SEE THAT YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW EXISTED!!" and name obvious titles like The Big Bird Cage or Mothers Day.
Those were MY precious films! How dare they get Joe TotalFilm to join Cinemageddon or wear a Game Of Death t-shirt?!!

But then I realised it'll all blow over, which for the most part has. Those with a newfound genuine interest in those kinds of films will stick around and the majority will move onto the next mild fad. Which is all good.

Since when has people sharing a common interest with you been a bad thing? Next time you see a bloke in the pub wearing a Spider-Man t-shirt by Ecko ask him if he's looking forward to the upcoming film. Maybe he has no idea what you're going on about. the majority don't.
You wouldn't kick a child in a Wolverine halloween costume in the throat because they have no idea who Barry Windsor-Smith is.

Calling people Lemmings for enjoying the odd superhero flick is just fucking rude and presumptuous.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 14/3/2012 7:35:35 PM

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Okay, I've deleted a few off topic posts and one particularly unnecessary bit of snipping. Let's keep the discussion clean now peeps.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 14/3/2012 7:37:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: giggity
Do you KNOW you're gonna get gunned down for this because you, yourself know that, that's a very ridiculous and stupid generalisation of people? How about if I generalised you because you speak on an internet forum? I could say you're a 30-40 year old virgin who stays in his mum's basement but that most likely wouldn't be true would it?

Christsake, more wind than a bagpipe and more precious than Gabourey Sidibe.

I actully thought it was a pretty good post myself.

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RE: Superhero / Comic Book Films: Am I the only one who... - 14/3/2012 10:17:24 PM

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Has anyone complained about the sheer number of films being made that are based on novels?

Hollywood has always drawn from published stories for inspiration, and one of the reasons that there are more comic book films over the last decade are because special effects make it easier to bring these stories to life

Personally I love comic book movies, the more the better and I can't wait for the Avengers to come out.

Because of Jeremy Renner.

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