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RE: Batman after Nolan - 12/8/2012 6:29:17 PM

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If it going to happen I wouldn't mind seeing Armie Hammer taking a crack at it.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 12/8/2012 6:29:49 PM

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I'm surprised this isn't out next year?

Audience gets more Batman = Win.
Studio gets $ = Win.

Where's the downside?

Why wait a decade? If it was up to me I'd make it an annual event. New Batman every year. That way we don't have to put up with the same bloody origin stories we've seen a thousand times ('Amazing' Spider-Man).

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 12/8/2012 6:31:37 PM

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Because you get dimmishing returns - look at the Saw series for example.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 12/8/2012 6:34:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

If it going to happen I wouldn't mind seeing Armie Hammer taking a crack at it.

That's a Pornstar name if ever I've heard one

If a Batman movie does come out in the next 6/7 years (maybe shorter) then what would you like to see?
I intrigued by the concept of Batman & Robin by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely.I think having Bruce Wayne out of the picture could lead to a great start.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 12/8/2012 6:38:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Because you get dimmishing returns - look at the Saw series for example.

The Saw films are shit because they're made by nobodies, with no budget and no actors. Not because there's a new one out every year.

I'd let a new director/writer have a new crack at Batman every year. That way we keep it fresh, exciting and it can be like a competition

Imagine a new Batman epic once a year by Aronofsky, Duncan Jones, Blompkamp, Winding Refn, Fincher, Scorcese, Del Toro etc

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 12/8/2012 6:39:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Because you get dimmishing returns - look at the Saw series for example.

The Saw films are shit because they're made by nobodies, with no budget and no actors. Not because there's a new one out every year.

I'd let a new director/writer have a new crack at Batman every year. That way we keep it fresh, exciting and it can be like a competition

Imagine a new Batman epic once a year by Aronofsky, Duncan Jones, Blompkamp, Winding Refn, Fincher, Scorcese, Del Toro etc

Nevermind. I forgot who I was speaking to.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 12/8/2012 6:42:51 PM

Rgirvan44

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

If it going to happen I wouldn't mind seeing Armie Hammer taking a crack at it.

That's a Pornstar name if ever I heard one

If a Batman movie does come out in the next 6/7 years (maybe shorter) then what would you like to see?
I intrigued by the concept of Batman & Robin by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely.I think having Bruce Wayne out of the picture could lead to a great start.

Hammer was actually up for Batman when they were thinking about a JLA movie directed by George Miller. Might have been too young then, but I think he would be quite good. He even comes from a family who own a massive company so likely has a bit of the playboy thing already inbuilt.

I think they need to go lighter...but not camper. Just have Wayne be fun, and charming and enjoy being Wayne, and treat Batman not as a burden.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 12/8/2012 8:24:36 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

If it going to happen I wouldn't mind seeing Armie Hammer taking a crack at it.

That's a Pornstar name if ever I heard one

If a Batman movie does come out in the next 6/7 years (maybe shorter) then what would you like to see?
I intrigued by the concept of Batman & Robin by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely.I think having Bruce Wayne out of the picture could lead to a great start.

Hammer was actually up for Batman when they were thinking about a JLA movie directed by George Miller. Might have been too young then, but I think he would be quite good. He even comes from a family who own a massive company so likely has a bit of the playboy thing already inbuilt.

I think they need to go lighter...but not camper. Just have Wayne be fun, and charming and enjoy being Wayne, and treat Batman not as a burden.

Isn't the argument against making Batman lighter the same argument against making Superman darker, or Star Trek more gritty?

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 12/8/2012 8:30:06 PM

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I'm all up for a 2016 reboot of some sort. The Nolan films are excellent and will be bloody tough to match but a slightly different direction would eliminate what the familiarness that Amazing Spiderman is suffering from now.

Christian Bale has admitted to not being a huge fan of batman and his lack of effort clearly shows in the films for me. Don't get me wrong: he looks the part, is believable at kicking ass and is a great actor so will never be bad...but someone who clearly loves the roles more could bring create a more interesting Batman.

I think a Noir approach is best. We've done camp/fantasy and we've done realistic/dark so either a Noir or sci fi approach would be best.

I'd like to see where he says this, perhaps he's not very knowledgeable on Batman but I wouldn't say he's not interested. Far from it, I even remember reading an interview from when he was promoting Reign of Fire in 2002 and someone asked him about playing James Bond and about playing Batman, he said Bond might be fun but when asked about Batman he seemed much more interested and keen on how layered the character is. He's been the best Batman/Bruce Wayne by far and very happy to play the character which you can see in interviews and on screen.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 12/8/2012 8:52:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

If it going to happen I wouldn't mind seeing Armie Hammer taking a crack at it.

That's a Pornstar name if ever I heard one

If a Batman movie does come out in the next 6/7 years (maybe shorter) then what would you like to see?
I intrigued by the concept of Batman & Robin by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely.I think having Bruce Wayne out of the picture could lead to a great start.

Hammer was actually up for Batman when they were thinking about a JLA movie directed by George Miller. Might have been too young then, but I think he would be quite good. He even comes from a family who own a massive company so likely has a bit of the playboy thing already inbuilt.

I think they need to go lighter...but not camper. Just have Wayne be fun, and charming and enjoy being Wayne, and treat Batman not as a burden.

Isn't the argument against making Batman lighter the same argument against making Superman darker, or Star Trek more gritty?

Not really - Batman is a fairly blank canvass - millionaire playboy is also crimefighter....and action! A huge chunk of the characters history has had a lighter tone.

But the whole point of Superman as a character was where he was born and the values he was given by his human parents. Without that, you don't have Superman.

And Star Trek has handled darkness quite well, and also comedy.

Not every character or series can be alterted in terms of tone, but Batman has succesful went across the spectrum. A more care free Bruce Wayne is just the tonic we need,

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 12/8/2012 8:59:08 PM

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I'm not too demanding, but I'd be perfectly happy to see Batman go back to the gothic style, perhaps more like the early 90's animated series than Burton's/Schumacher's films.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 13/8/2012 10:12:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Because you get dimmishing returns - look at the Saw series for example.

The Saw films are shit because they're made by nobodies, with no budget and no actors. Not because there's a new one out every year.

I'd let a new director/writer have a new crack at Batman every year. That way we keep it fresh, exciting and it can be like a competition

Imagine a new Batman epic once a year by Aronofsky, Duncan Jones, Blompkamp, Winding Refn, Fincher, Scorcese, Del Toro etc

For a movie the size of Batman it usually takes more than a year to get a story that the director, studio and star are happy with. Then if they do it properly, pre-production (design, casting, location hunting) can take getting on for a year, too. Then the shoots take longer than other movies, too, because they've got a bigger budget to work with (and you need a large budget for a movie the scope of a Batman movie). Then after that there's post-production (visual effects, sound effects, etc.) and the studio requires a decent amount of time to promote it.

In short, Batman will be just as shit as Saw if they make the sacrifices necessary to make it an annualised series. You can't rush these things. Three years is the minimum that it could possibly take... Batman & Robin was rushed out in two years to capitalise on the success of Batman Forever. We know how that went.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 13/8/2012 10:18:40 AM

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If a Batman movie does come out in the next 6/7 years (maybe shorter) then what would you like to see?
I intrigued by the concept of Batman & Robin by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely.I think having Bruce Wayne out of the picture could lead to a great start.

I think if they're gonna do that, they'll have to go through how Bruce Wayne went out of the picture first. A straight up adaptation of Batman & Son (with elements of The Black Glove storylines included), then R.I.P., (if they're up to it, the Justice League movies could then lead up to Final Crisis), then a couple of movies with Dick and Damian as Batman and Robin followed by two movies, one following the Return Of Bruce Wayne storyline, and the other following Batman And Robin Must Die! would be awesome. Or even make it one long movie with the two storylines running concurrently like The Godfather Part II... though they'll have to make the Return Of Bruce Wayne storyline a lot less complicated if they went down that route.

I'm not sure if Warner Bros. would ever do something like that, but that whole arc is one of my favourite Batman storylines, and I'd love to see it played out in a movie series.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 13/8/2012 12:01:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: AxlReznor

quote:

ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES
If a Batman movie does come out in the next 6/7 years (maybe shorter) then what would you like to see?
I intrigued by the concept of Batman & Robin by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely.I think having Bruce Wayne out of the picture could lead to a great start.

I think if they're gonna do that, they'll have to go through how Bruce Wayne went out of the picture first. A straight up adaptation of Batman & Son (with elements of The Black Glove storylines included), then R.I.P., (if they're up to it, the Justice League movies could then lead up to Final Crisis), then a couple of movies with Dick and Damian as Batman and Robin followed by two movies, one following the Return Of Bruce Wayne storyline, and the other following Batman And Robin Must Die! would be awesome. Or even make it one long movie with the two storylines running concurrently like The Godfather Part II... though they'll have to make the Return Of Bruce Wayne storyline a lot less complicated if they went down that route.

I'm not sure if Warner Bros. would ever do something like that, but that whole arc is one of my favourite Batman storylines, and I'd love to see it played out in a movie series.

But why do that when when audiences have just seen a Batman film that ended with him out of the picture, what would be the point also it would be quite jarring for the audience on the level of Amazing Spider-man origin story version 2.0 !

I'm not saying direct sequel but you could use the events of the last film as a starting point to do whatever you want, Robin on his own overwhelmed by the criminals of Gotham with the reintroduction of the new, reluctant Bruce Wayne/Batman at some point. Sounds like a safe way to kick start a new franchise.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 13/8/2012 1:17:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

If it going to happen I wouldn't mind seeing Armie Hammer taking a crack at it.

That would actually be a really good choice.

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ORIGINAL: vad3r

I'm surprised this isn't out next year?

Audience gets more Batman = Win.
Studio gets $ = Win.

Where's the downside?

Why wait a decade? If it was up to me I'd make it an annual event. New Batman every year. That way we don't have to put up with the same bloody origin stories we've seen a thousand times ('Amazing' Spider-Man).

Yeah I agree what's the point waiting for a decade - good superhero movies are a cash cow for studios and let's face it we can't get enough of 'em either.

I'd be looking to see the next Batman movie pencilled in for a 2014/15 release if I was in charge.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 29/8/2012 11:50:49 AM

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Rumours circulating that the JLA movie will introduce the new Batman so no reboot or indeed any other DC movie before then. 2015 as a possible date.

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2012/08/29/rebooted-batman-to-debut-in-justice-league-movie

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 29/8/2012 2:43:11 PM

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time to ditch the batsuit.

by all means a costume with kevlar protection but i want to get back to the bat being more vunerable during a fight or in a potential death trap.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 29/8/2012 3:51:54 PM

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Ray Stevenson plays an older dry witted Wayne in a wheel chair!, but he not a cripple really! the wheel chair is just to put people off the scent that he is actually a dark and towering kick ass Batman with wings of steel!! WWAAAPPOOOWW!! BLAMMM!!! bascially Punisher Warzone with wings!!...yeh that would do me actually..anything is better than another Nolan/Bale borefest.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 29/8/2012 3:56:11 PM

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I think something like the Arkham Asylum / City game costume would work. Ostensibly a grey spandex suit with black gauntlets, boots, belts etc. to bulk it out a bit

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 29/8/2012 6:52:30 PM

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Rumours circulating that the JLA movie will introduce the new Batman so no reboot or indeed any other DC movie before then. 2015 as a possible date.

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2012/08/29/rebooted-batman-to-debut-in-justice-league-movie

Probably the easiest way to do it, I think.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 29/8/2012 7:43:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: Darth Marenghi

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ORIGINAL: ripperman

Rumours circulating that the JLA movie will introduce the new Batman so no reboot or indeed any other DC movie before then. 2015 as a possible date.

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2012/08/29/rebooted-batman-to-debut-in-justice-league-movie

Probably the easiest way to do it, I think.

Agreed, I think if WB want to create a shared DC cinematic universe then they could do worse than a "reverse Avengers" approach of having a team film and the solo films spinning off from that. Easiest way to do a Batman reboot for sure, gives audiences time to warm up to him in an ensemble before seeing the new take on the entire solo franchise. Could work for Green Lantern too if they don't want to continue with a Reynolds sequel...which seems less and less likely as the months go by.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 29/8/2012 7:44:17 PM

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Will MAN OF STEEL tie into Jusitce League though? Having a do-over of Superman again in JLA just seems silly.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 29/8/2012 7:52:53 PM

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time to ditch the batsuit.

by all means a costume with kevlar protection but i want to get back to the bat being more vunerable during a fight or in a potential death trap.

You remember how Harvey Dent shot him point blank in TDK and that wounded him? How the Joker beat on him with crowbars? Liam Neeson pummeling him in the train fight of Begins? How Talia stabbed him through the suit in TDKR? Or Bane beating the shit out of him and breaking his back? He's still plenty vulnerable in that thing and lets be honest - with no superpowers it makes sense that he'd load himself up with as much protection as possible (without compromising his honed skills and physique). Or do you mean he's more at risk facing off against a group of regular thugs etc? In which case while it might add more drama to his predicament it would kind of go against him trying to establish himself as some unstoppable force against crime-style myth. I'm all for superheroes having vulnerability but he's not superpowered, he needs some edge and I think audiences would find him kind of uninspiring if he gets a beatdown himself everytime he's breaking up a gang. Unless it was a streamlined, pared down approach. IMO another thing the Nolan films got right is that it shows Bruce gets hurt quite often in his adventures and there are lasting scars and damage even though he's got all his tricks, gadgets and a more armoured suit.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 29/8/2012 8:41:17 PM

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As long as its not another origin story.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 29/8/2012 9:10:34 PM

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I wouldn't mind seeing an older, damaged Batman telling his own tale. Regrets, triumphs and madness all recounted through the eyes of a man who has finally given in to the bat. He could be teaching a successor, trying to instil values. I like Millers tale of temptation, were he found himself at the brink, ready to murder the Joker. It could be that the bats fractured mind would allow a more fantastical take on the character.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 30/8/2012 2:01:53 AM

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If it going to happen I wouldn't mind seeing Armie Hammer taking a crack at it.

I think that's who the smart money is on. I don't envy him though. Whoever follows Bale is in danger of becoming the George Lazenby of Batman.

(Lazenby was underrated, BTW. Still is.)

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 30/8/2012 2:03:32 AM

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Will MAN OF STEEL tie into Jusitce League though?

No. Nolan and Snyder have been very specific about this. But you never know...

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 30/8/2012 5:55:21 PM

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Will MAN OF STEEL tie into Jusitce League though?

No. Nolan and Snyder have been very specific about this. But you never know...

I think ultimately it depends on Man of Steel, if it is a success and JLA is in the works it will definately have to tie in, if not in this then certainly down the road it will but I would imagine the studio will wait and see what happens with Man of Steel next year before releasing any concrete date on JLA.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 30/8/2012 6:24:40 PM

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Will MAN OF STEEL tie into Jusitce League though? Having a do-over of Superman again in JLA just seems silly.

Not according to Zach Synder. Im sure recently he said that his MoS would be a seperate entity from the JLA, and that there would be two different versions of superman. Which I think he said was "kindof cool".

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 30/8/2012 8:53:13 PM

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I think you could get away with having two versions of Supes if one was in the cinema and the other one on TV. Two versions on the big screen......... sounds like a terrible idea to me !

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