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RE: Batman after Nolan - 26/7/2012 12:39:24 PM   
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nolan talks reboot-


http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a395250/christopher-nolan-on-batman-reboot-the-character-needs-reinvention.html

possible casting-


http://www.mania.com/cast-next-batman-movie_article_133717.html




Not great choices IMO. Even if it is a reboot I don't want to see the Joker again and Paul Bettany's name has been thrown around for the part for a good decade now. I wouldn't mind seeing it rebooted in a slightly more fantastical direction with some of Batman's mutated villains such as Killer Croc, Man Bat etc.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 26/7/2012 8:09:09 PM   
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As to the style of a potential reboot, I would like to see something grounded in the Animated series tone. Heightened attention to the style, not like Burton's Gothic tower haven, but a noir like feel.

Unfortunately, due to the success of The Avengers, we are no doubt going to get something that will tie in with a JLA movie which, I'm afraid, I have very little interest in. Creating a film with the primary objective being financial gain with creative license and exploration coming behind selling a franchise will without doubt hinder further interpretations of the Batman and I feel it may lose its attention to detail and become akin to any one of the faceless marvel vehicles we are subjected to time and time again. I sincerely hope it is not turned into a sideshow for the sake of competing with Marvel.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/7/2012 12:36:19 AM   
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Nolan will come back in 10-20 years, with Bale, and make Dark Knight Returns. John Blake is dead and Gotham is once again in need of a saviour...



No he wont, no they wont and it wont happen.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/7/2012 2:23:54 AM   
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One thing you movie illuminati could explain as I've never understood this...

Warners owns DC.

The DCAU movies and shows are widely regarded as the best/most faithful/accurate adaptations of the DC properties (outside of the source material)

Bruce Timm/Paul Dini work for Warners.

Warners needs a successful superhero - I was going to say franchise, but it has that in Batman... It needs... to challenge Marvel in the movie arena.

I don't under stand why the Timm/Dini team haven't been approached to take on - the Wonder Woman TV show, for instance. Or the Justice League movie.

Yes, animation is a different medium, but Team Timm seem to have the characterisation so nailed on - surely these people could work on a DC movie as producers, writers.... consultants even.

Does anyone know if this was ever even raised in the hallowed halls of WB?


Boaz Yakin (Remember The Titans) was very keen to work with Dini/Burnett on a live action Batman Beyond film for him to direct, and got them onboard with Timm consulting. But WB balked at the apparently R-rated script, and put it on hold once Nolan's project came to prominence.



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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/7/2012 8:07:59 AM   
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Well - this is good news, I think. If Timm is on the WB radar for live action, that can only be a good thing. Fingers crossed for his (and his team's) future involvement,

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/7/2012 11:06:04 AM   
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Good for the Fans. Maybe a little shite for the mainstream cinema audience, the main source of the income these films have to tap.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/7/2012 12:01:58 PM   
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How is nailing the characterisation of DC's major properties shite for mainstream audiences?

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/7/2012 12:26:19 PM   
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Misread the post above mine (only gave a glance) and commented that a Batman Beyond (old Bruce trains young Batman replacement) would be shite. That said, live action being such a different kettle of fish to animation, there is no cast iron guarantee that using tested personnel who have been doing something for years can translate pics to flicks, and who may have already done the best work they will ever be capable of would be any better for the job than hungry untested creatives with something to prove and fresh minds to bring to the party.

I commute my pronouncement to might be shite

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/7/2012 12:29:10 PM   
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If it's based out of a graphic novel, I think they should go for Batman Absolution.

Some people love it, some people hate it but I think it fits the story arc really well. That of a terrorist bombing killing innocent workers at Wayne Enterprises (still going, as Wayne needs the money for his trip away with Selina Kyle!) and Jennifer Blake, the perpetrator of the crime, fleeing the country and Batman chasing her over a 10 year time span.

That's where the new director could come in and take the story on. It doesn't have to be Bale, of course, but the director could pick up on the fact that he survived the explosion at the end of Rises and moved away. Then, when he heard about the terror attack, he donned his cape and cowl again and began chasing Blake.

That could all be done in a flashback, and we could see the final year of the chase - with Blake figuring that she's outsmarted Batman and goes back to doing what she does best - blowing shit up.

Of course, in the graphic novel, Blake is played really sympathetically and you kind of grow to like her, and identify with her as opposed to Batman.

Assuming Bale and Joseph Gordon-Levitt aren't on board, I'd give the Batman part to Jon Hamm as he'd fit the age needed for the '10 years later' plot, and I think he'd play the part really well.

As for Blake, I'd give the part to Jennifer Connelly as she's a fantastic actress and she'd be able to pull of the villain in my eyes.

For the other parts, I'm not sure yet, but I think the movie could work. Maybe the casting, in some people's eyes, would be wrong, but these are just my ramblings...

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/7/2012 1:17:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Spaldron


quote:

ORIGINAL: KeithM

Nolan will come back in 10-20 years, with Bale, and make Dark Knight Returns. John Blake is dead and Gotham is once again in need of a saviour...



No he wont, no they wont and it wont happen.


And weíll be all the better for it...

Weíve had a stab at a realistic Batman and apart from Rises, it was a rousing success. Letís go back to a more comic orientated Batman now. I want to see the likes of Clayface and Killer Croc... but above all, I want to see Man Bat get the movie treatment.

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As to the style of a potential reboot, I would like to see something grounded in the Animated series tone. Heightened attention to the style, not like Burton's Gothic tower haven, but a noir like feel.



Yep, just like that will do very nicely indeed!

I hope these Nolan films do not dictate the tone of Batman films for many years to come, like Donner did with Superman. Give us a nice stylised Gotham (as in quote above) to tell future stories in too. Apart from Begins, with the Narrows and the el train system, Nolan didnít do this. Gotham got progressively more dull and boring as the films went along. In Begins it was a huge sprawling metropolis jutting out into the sea and it looked and felt great... by Rises, it was just shots of New York which weíve seen a million times before. Uninspired and dull... like Rises as a whole really.


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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/7/2012 3:51:08 PM   
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I think I speak for a lot of people when I say Nolan was good, but let's have a Batman film now.

Let's have Gotham as a dark and sinister place. Let's have Batman as a true creature of the night. Let's have a Bruce Wayne truly enraged by the murder of his parents. Let's have him visiting that grave. Let's have villains as comic book villains. No campness, no hyper reality... just the Batman world as it is month in month out in the comics.

Please

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/7/2012 4:47:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jon5000

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say Nolan was good, but let's have a Batman film now.

Let's have Gotham as a dark and sinister place. Let's have Batman as a true creature of the night. Let's have a Bruce Wayne truly enraged by the murder of his parents. Let's have him visiting that grave. Let's have villains as comic book villains. No campness, no hyper reality... just the Batman world as it is month in month out in the comics.

Please


Gets my vote.

The tag line Empire attached to their review on the home page is somewhat laughable having now seen TDKR:

God help the bloke who reboots this!

I donít actually think itís too tall an order seeing as TDKR really let the trilogy down as a whole for many, myself included.


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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/7/2012 8:53:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pete_traynor

quote:

ORIGINAL: jon5000

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say Nolan was good, but let's have a Batman film now.

Let's have Gotham as a dark and sinister place. Let's have Batman as a true creature of the night. Let's have a Bruce Wayne truly enraged by the murder of his parents. Let's have him visiting that grave. Let's have villains as comic book villains. No campness, no hyper reality... just the Batman world as it is month in month out in the comics.

Please


Gets my vote.

The tag line Empire attached to their review on the home page is somewhat laughable having now seen TDKR:

God help the bloke who reboots this!

I donít actually think itís too tall an order seeing as TDKR really let the trilogy down as a whole for many, myself included.



Actually id say youre in the minority as most people loved the film.And indeed god help the person who reboots this as Nolan has set the bar so high i dont think anyone can top what he has done with this trilogy.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/7/2012 9:24:55 PM   
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Idon't think Nolan's set the bar very high at all and think it would be really easy to top the trilogy!

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/7/2012 10:10:43 PM   
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Idon't think Nolan's set the bar very high at all and think it would be really easy to top the trilogy!


And for that comment alone I will not check out your reviews.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 28/7/2012 12:48:40 AM   
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Idon't think Nolan's set the bar very high at all and think it would be really easy to top the trilogy!


Hey!, and maybe you could do it,y'know as its so "easy to top".

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 28/7/2012 1:15:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pete_traynor

quote:

ORIGINAL: jon5000

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say Nolan was good, but let's have a Batman film now.

Let's have Gotham as a dark and sinister place. Let's have Batman as a true creature of the night. Let's have a Bruce Wayne truly enraged by the murder of his parents. Let's have him visiting that grave. Let's have villains as comic book villains. No campness, no hyper reality... just the Batman world as it is month in month out in the comics.

Please


Gets my vote.

The tag line Empire attached to their review on the home page is somewhat laughable having now seen TDKR:

God help the bloke who reboots this!

I donít actually think itís too tall an order seeing as TDKR really let the trilogy down as a whole for many, myself included.



Actually id say youre in the minority as most people loved the film.And indeed god help the person who reboots this as Nolan has set the bar so high i dont think anyone can top what he has done with this trilogy.


Oh I know it's the opinion of a minority... We're the realistic ones sent to keep all the undeserved gushing in check

I didn't say anything about topping these films, just that rebooting isn't the impossible task most seem to think. It's got nothing to do with topping as a completely different approach is what's needed. And getting that right will not require devine intervention from above

I didn't hate it... Just disliked it quite a lot.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 28/7/2012 9:23:29 PM   
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I disagree with the sentiment that all three will be easy to top, as I thought Begins was fantastic and The Dark Knight is one of my all time favourite films.

As for Rises, I was massively disappointed so I wouldn't be against a reboot, as it'd rid my memory of this recent failure (if its any good.)

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 29/7/2012 2:02:15 AM   
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As for Rises, I was massively disappointed so I wouldn't be against a reboot, as it'd rid my memory of this recent failure (if its any good.)


As someone who enjoyed DKR a lot, I wouldn't be against a reboot either. The story of the Nolan/Bale Batman is over now, so let's see a new take on the character.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 30/7/2012 4:31:24 PM   
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As for Rises, I was massively disappointed so I wouldn't be against a reboot, as it'd rid my memory of this recent failure (if its any good.)


As someone who enjoyed DKR a lot, I wouldn't be against a reboot either. The story of the Nolan/Bale Batman is over now, so let's see a new take on the character.


I agree with this as long as it's not another origin story. Begins did that perfectly.

What I'd like to see would be an enemy of the state chase style chase thriller. With Batman being framed buy a criminal 'Mastermind' *insert any of the rogues gallery here* and Batman going on the run in Gotham as he's pursued by the Police and trying to prove it was someone else. In the comics Batman was always avoiding the law anyway so it would lend itself to that and plus his use of gadgets could give it that old school spy movie/ one man against the system feel of films like Enemy of the State, Eagle Eye and the Bourne movies (but don't include horrible shaky cam fighting that only Greengrass got right).

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 31/7/2012 10:55:11 AM   
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This is pretty much the impression I get of Batman from reading the New 52 Justice League (I confess, I've not read the proper Batman titles). I think any reboot will follow the New 52 (as Man of Steel appears to have).

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 31/7/2012 2:28:10 PM   
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So this is where all the sane people are.


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I think I speak for a lot of people when I say Nolan was good, but let's have a Batman film now.

Let's have Gotham as a dark and sinister place. Let's have Batman as a true creature of the night. Let's have a Bruce Wayne truly enraged by the murder of his parents. Let's have him visiting that grave. Let's have villains as comic book villains. No campness, no hyper reality... just the Batman world as it is month in month out in the comics.

Please


This. The Arkham games have shown the (a) way, as have the Timm cartoons. I'd like a more comic-bookish, Arkham Asylum/City, Kevin Conroy-sh, more self-assured Batman next time around. Play it straight and serious, but with full-on Batshit craziness too.

I can also just about see the Conroy-style Batman interacting with the Justice League, albeit very sceptically, unlike Nolan's, which you just couldn't, I'm still not convinced a Justice League movie is the way to go, but if they do go down that route we need a Batman who can interact with others and not look stupid and utterly out-of-place. Um. Relatively.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 31/7/2012 3:01:58 PM   
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The do sort of address this issue in the New 52 JLA where no one can quite believe that Batman is "just a guy in a bat costume." Its really quite funny in places, in the issues I've read thus far, its a bit of a running joke. Its very similar to the way that they play on Batman's terse scariness in the JL and JLU cartoons (the one where he makes Orion go to the Flash Museum springs to mind). So whilst Batman is still scary and dark, the there's room for levity (where in the Noloverse there clearly isn't that scope).

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 1/8/2012 2:05:41 PM   
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would still like to see the rest of the bat villains- riddler, penguin, hugo strange-done in the nolan style.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 2/8/2012 12:23:12 PM   
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I don't understand this talk of having to "top this or that". It isn't a pony show, you only need to match what's come before. A different tone and focus is what's needed here and I'm fully on-board for a Arkham Asylum/City type reality. Not away with the neon fairies like Schumacher but one that is more fantastical than Nolan's version which can accomodate the more ostentatious or outlandish villains in the rogues gallery. And I would like to see a Batman that can fit into the Justice League. I think such a team-up could be fascinating.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 2/8/2012 6:16:51 PM   
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How about Warners don't do anything until somebody comes along with a great idea instead of just firing it out to make money?

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 3/8/2012 2:23:56 AM   
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Well yes that would be preferable.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 3/8/2012 1:15:53 PM   
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Warner Brothers planning for a 2016 release date.

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/not-wasting-any-time-wb-to-bring-a-new-batman-franchise-to-theaters-in-2016

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 3/8/2012 2:20:09 PM   
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They mentioned Man Bat... so this is the way to go!

Sounds good to me as I want to see the more fantastical elements back in. Weíve tried real, letís move past that now.


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RE: Batman after Nolan - 7/8/2012 10:15:49 AM   
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ew.com thinks they should adapt 'hush'-



http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/08/06/dark-knight-rises-batman-franchise/


if they did i doubt it will be a full adapt, just some of the key elements.

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