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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/4/2012 10:02:22 AM

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Given that the Avengers is going to be massive and all of the solo films leading into it have been successful I wonder if this will impact WB / DC's thinking. Green Lantern failed to deliver the necessary money to kick start a franchise, we're three months away from Nolan's final Batman film and so the only superhero movie in production for WB / DC is Superman. Therefore they are at a cross-roads. So what next?

Justice League: I think this is unlikely given that Green Lantern failed to catch on and that they are pushing on with a stand-alone Superman film.

Their most profitable and arguably widely recognised hero is Batman but how can they approach it in a new manner? Well my thought would be this;

Do a series of standalone films set within the Bat-family and Gotham. Obviously start with Batman but you could have a Nightwing film, Batgirl, Batwoman, Catwoman or Birds of Prey film and them have come together ala the Avengers.

The concerns however, would be that the characters to the public at large don't seem to be vastly different from each other. As an avid reader of comics I know that certainly isn't the case but they perhaps lack the clear differences that a God, a Super Soldier, an Iron Man and a green rage monster have. Also the fact that they are all "street-level" heroes perhaps would nullify the epic feel that you'd want from a film of this size.

That said if they do it right then it could work

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/4/2012 10:42:39 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob

Given that the Avengers is going to be massive and all of the solo films leading into it have been successful I wonder if this will impact WB / DC's thinking. Green Lantern failed to deliver the necessary money to kick start a franchise, we're three months away from Nolan's final Batman film and so the only superhero movie in production for WB / DC is Superman. Therefore they are at a cross-roads. So what next?

Justice League: I think this is unlikely given that Green Lantern failed to catch on and that they are pushing on with a stand-alone Superman film.

Their most profitable and arguably widely recognised hero is Batman but how can they approach it in a new manner? Well my thought would be this;

Do a series of standalone films set within the Bat-family and Gotham. Obviously start with Batman but you could have a Nightwing film, Batgirl, Batwoman, Catwoman or Birds of Prey film and them have come together ala the Avengers.

The concerns however, would be that the characters to the public at large don't seem to be vastly different from each other. As an avid reader of comics I know that certainly isn't the case but they perhaps lack the clear differences that a God, a Super Soldier, an Iron Man and a green rage monster have. Also the fact that they are all "street-level" heroes perhaps would nullify the epic feel that you'd want from a film of this size.

That said if they do it right then it could work

Saw Avengers last night and was genuinely really impressed with it. Looks like it will do serious business. Therefore, the more I think about it the more I think an adaptation of Arkham Asylum/City would be the next logical step for WB. Personally I could live without a JL movie but if it had to be done then this route would reintroduce the character in a more comic way that could lead to a JL movie, plus the Arkham source material as most know is very strong anyway. No reboot or remake needed. Not technically a sequel, so no cheap imitation of Nolan's style. Everyone wins...maybe. And with all due respect I cant see anyone even remotely interested in seeing standalone films about the Bat Family except die hard comic book fans.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 27/4/2012 11:31:28 AM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob

Given that the Avengers is going to be massive and all of the solo films leading into it have been successful I wonder if this will impact WB / DC's thinking. Green Lantern failed to deliver the necessary money to kick start a franchise, we're three months away from Nolan's final Batman film and so the only superhero movie in production for WB / DC is Superman. Therefore they are at a cross-roads. So what next?

Justice League: I think this is unlikely given that Green Lantern failed to catch on and that they are pushing on with a stand-alone Superman film.

Their most profitable and arguably widely recognised hero is Batman but how can they approach it in a new manner? Well my thought would be this;

Do a series of standalone films set within the Bat-family and Gotham. Obviously start with Batman but you could have a Nightwing film, Batgirl, Batwoman, Catwoman or Birds of Prey film and them have come together ala the Avengers.

The concerns however, would be that the characters to the public at large don't seem to be vastly different from each other. As an avid reader of comics I know that certainly isn't the case but they perhaps lack the clear differences that a God, a Super Soldier, an Iron Man and a green rage monster have. Also the fact that they are all "street-level" heroes perhaps would nullify the epic feel that you'd want from a film of this size.

That said if they do it right then it could work

Saw Avengers last night and was genuinely really impressed with it. Looks like it will do serious business. Therefore, the more I think about it the more I think an adaptation of Arkham Asylum/City would be the next logical step for WB. Personally I could live without a JL movie but if it had to be done then this route would reintroduce the character in a more comic way that could lead to a JL movie, plus the Arkham source material as most know is very strong anyway. No reboot or remake needed. Not technically a sequel, so no cheap imitation of Nolan's style. Everyone wins...maybe. And with all due respect I cant see anyone even remotely interested in seeing standalone films about the Bat Family except die hard comic book fans.

You're probably right but then that's what a lot of people thought about a film with Iron Man! And even though it's hardly enough evidence to green light a movie, titles like Nightwing and Batgirl currently sell more than Iron Man on a monthly basis.

However, it will never happen and I too hope that they follow the Arkham Asylum sensibility in that it's dark, gritty but also has that more fantastical element that the current generation of Batflicks have avoided

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 28/4/2012 12:34:57 PM

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so mapping out a new bat universe comes down to casting as much as with a great script.
counter casting by nolan and with marvel universe on screen has enriched comic book movies.

so who should play the bat, gordon, alfred and the joker?

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 9/5/2012 8:48:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ripperman

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob

Given that the Avengers is going to be massive and all of the solo films leading into it have been successful I wonder if this will impact WB / DC's thinking. Green Lantern failed to deliver the necessary money to kick start a franchise, we're three months away from Nolan's final Batman film and so the only superhero movie in production for WB / DC is Superman. Therefore they are at a cross-roads. So what next?

Justice League: I think this is unlikely given that Green Lantern failed to catch on and that they are pushing on with a stand-alone Superman film.

Their most profitable and arguably widely recognised hero is Batman but how can they approach it in a new manner? Well my thought would be this;

Do a series of standalone films set within the Bat-family and Gotham. Obviously start with Batman but you could have a Nightwing film, Batgirl, Batwoman, Catwoman or Birds of Prey film and them have come together ala the Avengers.

The concerns however, would be that the characters to the public at large don't seem to be vastly different from each other. As an avid reader of comics I know that certainly isn't the case but they perhaps lack the clear differences that a God, a Super Soldier, an Iron Man and a green rage monster have. Also the fact that they are all "street-level" heroes perhaps would nullify the epic feel that you'd want from a film of this size.

That said if they do it right then it could work

Saw Avengers last night and was genuinely really impressed with it. Looks like it will do serious business. Therefore, the more I think about it the more I think an adaptation of Arkham Asylum/City would be the next logical step for WB. Personally I could live without a JL movie but if it had to be done then this route would reintroduce the character in a more comic way that could lead to a JL movie, plus the Arkham source material as most know is very strong anyway. No reboot or remake needed. Not technically a sequel, so no cheap imitation of Nolan's style. Everyone wins...maybe. And with all due respect I cant see anyone even remotely interested in seeing standalone films about the Bat Family except die hard comic book fans.

Yeah, I think they even canned the Batgirl animated feature. It might work the other way around though. Introduce some of these characters in the Batman films, and if any prove popular enough they might get a spin-off.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 25/6/2012 10:15:35 AM

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looks like a reboot is absolutly necessary as nolan's batman ends with this movie.

nolan's trilogy is now similar to frank millar's 'dark knight returns', seperate from the main comic mythology.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 25/6/2012 2:51:25 PM

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looks like a reboot is absolutly necessary as nolan's batman ends with this movie.

nolan's trilogy is now similar to frank millar's 'dark knight returns', seperate from the main comic mythology.

The sad thing is Warner will push for a reboot, particularly if a Justice League film is on the card. I just really wish they'd leave it alone for at least a decade because I'll be surprised if they make anything nearly half as good as The Dark Knight. I could be wrong of course.

Either way Warner are not going to let this Cash Cow slip. It wouldn't surprise me if in four years they try and bribe Nolan to come back for one more...

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 25/6/2012 5:30:48 PM

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Hope Nolan doesn't get tempted to do another, cos if the latest has been approached from a 'saying all I have left to say about this character' perspective then anything but a potential The Dark Knight Returns at some point may simply not work under Nolan.

The good thing about the success under Nolan is that any Reboot has, dramatically, places it can go that wouldn't have been possible before and WB/DC aren't gonna be skimping on either the cash or the integrity of the character (and no director wants to be the one to miss the mark in the wake of Nolan's films, so any reinvention should at least have a lot of thought put into it.

My personal hope would have been for a tonal continuation, introducing further elements into the Nolanesque type Batverse, for new things for Batman to encounter, not understand and then overcome, because you can go anywhere, sci-fi wise, supernatural wise that way, AND counter the less hardcore feeling of disbelief about such things by having Batman be expressing disbelief himself. Evolution, not revolution would be my 'businesslike' approach and I think that would appeal to the money men at least, since Nolan has brought a lot of viewers in that wouldn;t necessarily go along with a radical more comic book reboot, in pure business terms, it doesn't make much sense to reboot too extremely while there is something to lose, and, much less box office than Nolan = failure in movie lore as yet unwritten.

But that would depend on where Nolan leaves the main character at. Can't continue from a dead batman ending, but you can from a batman becomes the fully fledged, fully accepted Caped Crusader ending (cos the character creation arc is completed and then you can make a long series of films using major adversaries and also reboot the joker, a total box office banker when it comes along, and this series doesn't have to be so rooted in reality, it can add what it wants to add and broaden the world of the story).

Then again, DC might just trial out a new Batman in a JLA film and if that goes well, rebuild Gotham as part of a world where superheroes do exist and magical powers/superpowers are not unwanted whistles and bells).

Or they could go wherever.

Whatever, I'll go and see whatever gets made and then praise/bitch about the results

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 28/6/2012 8:32:52 PM

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I would like to see them make the Batman vs Superman movie that was once talked about. There was a script online for a long time.

Would be awesome.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 20/7/2012 1:15:40 AM

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I reckon a gritty, noir-ish multi thread tv series could be the way forward as mentioned upthread. Maybe HBO could take it on, make it decent budget like Boardwalk Empire, possibly even give it a period setting. Not every ep would focus on Bats but on Gotham's underbelly, shifting focus between the cops and the crims. Call it simply, Gotham or Gotham City, something like that.

Either that or an Arkham style movie.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 20/7/2012 8:26:27 AM

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I reckon a gritty, noir-ish multi thread tv series could be the way forward as mentioned upthread. Maybe HBO could take it on, make it decent budget like Boardwalk Empire, possibly even give it a period setting. Not every ep would focus on Bats but on Gotham's underbelly, shifting focus between the cops and the crims. Call it simply, Gotham or Gotham City, something like that.

I hadn't thought of this, but it sounds like a terrific idea.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 20/7/2012 3:23:10 PM

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As soon as Nolan has moved on, no doubt WB will post convert and release the trilogy in 3D ASAP.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 20/7/2012 3:52:09 PM

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having seen 'rises' i think nolan has given future movies room to move to more fantastical elements.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 20/7/2012 11:10:43 PM

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quote:

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I reckon a gritty, noir-ish multi thread tv series could be the way forward as mentioned upthread. Maybe HBO could take it on, make it decent budget like Boardwalk Empire, possibly even give it a period setting. Not every ep would focus on Bats but on Gotham's underbelly, shifting focus between the cops and the crims. Call it simply, Gotham or Gotham City, something like that.

I hadn't thought of this, but it sounds like a terrific idea.

They should adapt Gotham Central as quite a few sites have suggested in the past - it focused on the GCPD (including longtime supporting characters like Bullock and Montoya) and how they handle the metahuman stuff, very noir and street level - think The Wire but set in Gotham; Batman, his sidekicks and the really colourful villains were only seen in glimpses for most of it although Joker and Two Face featured heavily in a couple of stories.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 23/7/2012 4:07:13 PM

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It did look like Nolan was passing the flame, as is done in the movie, as he's given a director a foothold if they want to come in and make another movie.

I'd love to see a standalone Catwoman movie with Anne Hathaway, but I don't really think that's likely considering the atrocious mess that Halle Berry's Catwoman got into.

In fact, I think it'd be better if they just left this well alone. We have Man of Steel next year, and Nolan is producing, so I'd like them to just move on and leave this trilogy as it is - masterful.

If they tack another sequel on then it'll cheapen everything that Nolan, Bale and Ledger achieved.

Although, if they did make another, I'd like it to be about Batman's self-imposed exile that is touched upon in Rises. Maybe show JGL and Oldman cleaning up the streets using the Dent act, and have minor villains come back. The Scarecrow was in Rises, so he could be in the next one as well...

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 23/7/2012 4:25:48 PM

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Will we see a John Blake Batman film with him joining the Justice League? Or will we have a complete change of direction, I don't really care for another origin story. I have a terrible fear we're going to get a Len Wiseman / Bradley Cooper shit fest.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 23/7/2012 4:32:54 PM

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I'd be hugely surprised if WB continued with Nolan's version at all. I think they'll wait a few years and then reboot. However, I too don't want another origin story so perhaps they could do a quick pre-credits sequence explaining how Bruce Wayne became Batman (most people know anyway) and then just launch straight into his latest adventure.

When the rebooted Hulk didn't they do a quick explanation in the credits of the Edward Norton version? I've only seen it once but remember there being something like that.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 23/7/2012 4:47:05 PM

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Yeah Punisher Warzone did something similar by having a few flashback montages.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 24/7/2012 12:37:17 PM

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SPOILERS FOR THE DARK KNIGHT RISES.....

Given the films ending i dont think they need to reboot at all.It would make the idea of Joseph Gordon Levitts character having the mantle of the Bat being passed on to him seem like such a waste.I really liked his character and would love to see the series continue with Blake being the new Batman ( or a possible Nightwing movie at least? ).

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 24/7/2012 12:43:22 PM

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I wonder how long they will wait to undertake a reboot.

Going to be interesting to see the direction they go. As for directors - I am being a total fanboy here but would love to see Winding-Refn get a shot at it.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 24/7/2012 12:55:31 PM

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there will be another 3 or 4 straight to dvd sequels

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 24/7/2012 1:00:09 PM

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I'd love to see a standalone Catwoman movie with Anne Hathaway, but I don't really think that's likely considering the atrocious mess that Halle Berry's Catwoman got into.

That's on the cards - if Nolan goes there, she's up for doing it.

http://www.scifinow.co.uk/news/catwoman-movie-anne-hathaway-would-do-it/?utm_source=scifinow&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=twitterfeed

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 24/7/2012 1:05:09 PM

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One thing you movie illuminati could explain as I've never understood this...

Warners owns DC.

The DCAU movies and shows are widely regarded as the best/most faithful/accurate adaptations of the DC properties (outside of the source material)

Bruce Timm/Paul Dini work for Warners.

Warners needs a successful superhero - I was going to say franchise, but it has that in Batman... It needs... to challenge Marvel in the movie arena.

I don't under stand why the Timm/Dini team haven't been approached to take on - the Wonder Woman TV show, for instance. Or the Justice League movie.

Yes, animation is a different medium, but Team Timm seem to have the characterisation so nailed on - surely these people could work on a DC movie as producers, writers.... consultants even.

Does anyone know if this was ever even raised in the hallowed halls of WB?

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 24/7/2012 1:11:28 PM

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You forget that Warners is more than just DC. They only just finished off doing Harry Potter. Marvel Studios have one purpose and one purpose only - to make superhero movies.

It really isn't fair to compare the two to be honest. And more to the point when the final box office tallies come in I suspect TDKR won't be far off the Avengers box office - without the aid of 3D.

I am sure that Warners will be thinking about a team up movie but they have plenty of other films making lots of money for them inbetween. Marvel needed the Avengers....Warners doesn't have the same need.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 24/7/2012 1:18:30 PM

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That's true - but creatively... for me, its a no-brainer.

They just tried (and failed) with the Wonder Woman TV show. I liked Green Lantern, but clearly I'm in the minority (and to be fair, it was a case of "could do better" on the GL school report) - I'm just curious as to whether the Timm Team has ever been approached about the live action franchises and opted not to go there... I can't imagine this has never come up in the WB boardroom at some stage.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 24/7/2012 1:57:28 PM

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I'd love to see a standalone Catwoman movie with Anne Hathaway, but I don't really think that's likely considering the atrocious mess that Halle Berry's Catwoman got into.

That's on the cards - if Nolan goes there, she's up for doing it.

http://www.scifinow.co.uk/news/catwoman-movie-anne-hathaway-would-do-it/?utm_source=scifinow&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=twitterfeed

one of the many mistakes made with the berry movie was ignore selina as catwoman.

hathaway's selina was based on the comic and nolan has established that on screen so a spin off is more viable now.
maybe they could include 'birds of prey' and 'gotham central' as well into a 'catwoman' movie.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 24/7/2012 8:16:21 PM

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Nolan will come back in 10-20 years, with Bale, and make Dark Knight Returns. John Blake is dead and Gotham is once again in need of a saviour...

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 24/7/2012 8:26:38 PM

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I doubt that as many of the themes and ideas of The Dark Knight Returns were already explored in this film.

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RE: Batman after Nolan - 24/7/2012 8:31:57 PM

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That didn't bother Singer.