jobloffski
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Said it once. Will say it again - hand the fourth film to Michael Mann, with Nolan producing and Michael Shannon as The Riddler. Boom. Job done.
Keep the dark intensity. We have other superheroes for lighter stuff.
Only if we can have Crockett's Theme playing over the Tumbler's driving scenes....
Mann is wrong for Batman. Nolan homaged quite a lot of Heat (colour pallete, Pacino from Heat attributes for Gordon, the single sustained notes in the music, the grand operatic crime epic scale) for TDK anyway.
Mann has lost it a bit as a director over the years, his films have become increasingly about the Mann slow burning style and less about character conflict/emotion. Public Enemies was a very damp squib of a film, even with Mann re-employing the underlying mechanics of heat. His movie of Miami Vice was terrible.
Del Toro has made films with fine visual style, but has resolutely failed with both Hellboy films to translate intention to atmosphere in the comic book genre and on both occasions made films that do not live up to the potential of Hellboy as played by Ron Pearlman. You don't just need someone who can design a pretty axe, you need someone who can be deadly when it comes to swinging it.
A whole new direction would be brave after Nolan, but TDK passed the billion mark for Box office and it's hard to imagine TDKR not doing the same. Therefore, I think WB would have to be affected by a sudden wave of idiot disease to take too much of a risk after TDKR, which will, as with TDK raise the bar for what you can get away with in a superhero film. After that, going 'back to formula' by going more traditional would be a massive step backwards.
There is SO much scope for a treatment of characters like The Riddler, Hugo strange, and even The Penguin (the latter two both in the same movie perhaps to have a street hood lord and mastermind pairing) in the kind of 'based in reality, pushing the psychology to the fore in a development of Nolan's tropes, not to mention a return of the Joker to the continuity, far enough down the line for a recasting to be acceptable (third film with new cast by then) that WB would be looking at at least three more billion dollar plus films before they need to even thing about reinventing the wheel, so they protect a certain level of income while simultaneously working through the new Superman cycle of films.
Nolan wont push the material so far that it is left with nowhere else to go. He's only been going through the character arc of taking Batman to being Gotham's accepted and love caped crusader. That's where his interest in making the films has been. His third film in story terms is just the end of the beginning.
WB would be crazy to end the current continuity with the character finally fully formed and able to just get on with facing threats, in films that would have virtual carte blanche to go as dark as necessary, whenever necessary and given how far Nolan will have taken the technology (batwing) the road to more striking looking vehicles is already paved, once Batman no longer has to hide in the shadows (which Nolan will bringing him out of in TDKR, hence the daytime action. And if he has new toys, in post Nolan continued adventures, the baddies will make new toys too (totally, totally, totally, continuing the theme of escalation Nolan has introduced. and thereby facilitating more comic book elements as things go along, with it being totally organic for such things to be happening).
I know I'm banging on about it, but I really can't see WB throwing away the opportunities made for them by Nolan to get at least another trilogy out of the current continuity, escalating things a little higher each time, perhaps concluding with the return of the joker, to the Gotham that would exist by then, using the post Nolasn recasting not to start from scratch, but to facilitate more aggressive expansion of the filmic world, taking the newly captured non comic book geek audience along for the ride.
But if I bang this drum any harder, gonna break it, so here endeth the 'campaign'. WB don't be stupid. The world nolan has built for you is somewhere that can stand any kind of story. Invite directors in to play, hand over the cash necessary to realise their visions, and let them get on with it the way Nolan has been allowed to. TDKR is not the end. It's only the end of the construction work (Wayne Manor and the Bat cave will only be seen in their full glory in the third film), let Batman live there for a while before you demolish it all again. It's a franchise for adults now, an iteration of it's own, hire new hands, but keep the newly acquired balls. Job(loffski) done.
< Message edited by jobloffski -- 8/3/2012 2:15:57 PM >
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RE: Batman after Nolan - 
Plus they're developing a JL film anyway.
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