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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 1/3/2012 11:52:03 AM   
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Dirty Dancing, What the absolute fuck.


Girl meets boy. Girl loses boy. Girl gets boy back in time for all dancing finale.

How is that hard to follow?








I was baffled into why its entertaining, I was trying to get my end away at the time so I let her choose the film. Maybe it was a case of blue balls.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 2:09:03 AM   
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When I saw the title of the thread I thought "I bet this is a David Lynch inspired topic"

I just recently watched Lost Highway for the first time and found it pretty damn strange but (as usual) hypnotically beautiful and hauntingly creepy. I had to watch it again and then go check out all the varying interpretations on IMDB!

I do love Lynch but I think the thing about his films for me is the sheer atmosphere of them is what you watch them for. Like someone said earlier in the thread they are an immersive experience and I can understand how they are not going to be everyone's cup of tea but I find their complete uniqueness so startling and unapolagetic it's impossible for me not to be impressed.

I have yet to see Inland Empire and it is a little intimidating sounding but I will get to it someday and I have only watched the first series of Twin Peaks so I wont be watching Fire Walk With Me til after that either.

Twin Peaks is probably a good way to sample Lynch though as it isn't as full-on as his movies as it's a TV series and was hugely popular at the time and I loved the first series although I believe it gets darker and weirder in series 2. Blue Velvet might be a good starting place or if you want violent road-movie lovers-on-the-run done Lynch style then Wild at Heart is relatively straightforward too.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 2:34:45 AM   
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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 9:13:29 AM   
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Evil Dead 2 and Army Of Darkness. Just. Mental.



But both are great films.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 11:04:36 AM   
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Evil Dead 2 and Army Of Darkness. Just. Mental.



But both are great films.


I wouldn't personally call them great, but they sure are entertaining as hell. I think I'm still surprised as to how completely different they are from the first one.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 12:49:38 PM   
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For all the supposedly 'difficult to follow' examples quoted here (Inception, Memento, The Usual Suspects) I found Quantum of Solace & POTC3 far more baffling in that I totally lost track of what the f*** was going on. Possibly because those 'difficult' examples are superbly crafted and structured so that they remain accessible, whereas those two films just seemed to make it up as they went along.

Oh and the last two Matrix films as well. Bloody ridiculous, innit?

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 1:56:52 PM   
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For all the supposedly 'difficult to follow' examples quoted here (Inception, Memento, The Usual Suspects) I found Quantum of Solace & POTC3 far more baffling in that I totally lost track of what the f*** was going on. Possibly because those 'difficult' examples are superbly crafted and structured so that they remain accessible, whereas those two films just seemed to make it up as they went along.

Oh and the last two Matrix films as well. Bloody ridiculous, innit?


Absoulutely. Movies like Memento and The Usual Suspects may have complex narratives but they are skilfully crafted like you say ensuring that if you pay attention it will make sense. Sadly a lot of big-budget blockbusters these days just seem to randomly throw stuff together with little regard for narrative or pacing and come across as a horrible mess.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 5:04:11 PM   
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Memento anyone? had to see it several times to fully appreciate it's brilliance.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 7:28:10 PM   
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Found Inception easy to follow to be honest.



I don't think it was ever supposed to be hard to follow. Nolan basically went out of his way to make it as accessible as he could.



That was what made me not like it as much as I could have done. Exposition after exposition after exposition. The architect seemed to be written into the film purely as an audience substitute to whom DiCaprio has an excuse to explain everything.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 7:35:37 PM   
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Found Inception easy to follow to be honest.



I don't think it was ever supposed to be hard to follow. Nolan basically went out of his way to make it as accessible as he could.



That was what made me not like it as much as I could have done. Exposition after exposition after exposition. The architect seemed to be written into the film purely as an audience substitute to whom DiCaprio has an excuse to explain everything.


Well yeah, that's exactly what she was there for, but that was a good thing; if Cobb hadn't been able to explain anything we would've had absolutely no idea what was going on.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 7:42:51 PM   
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Found Inception easy to follow to be honest.



I don't think it was ever supposed to be hard to follow. Nolan basically went out of his way to make it as accessible as he could.



That was what made me not like it as much as I could have done. Exposition after exposition after exposition. The architect seemed to be written into the film purely as an audience substitute to whom DiCaprio has an excuse to explain everything.


Well yeah, that's exactly what she was there for, but that was a good thing; if Cobb hadn't been able to explain anything we would've had absolutely no idea what was going on.



Aye, but a film based on a concept that takes nigh-on a quarter of the film to explain isn't as successful as I would like it to be. It was entertaining enough but not a film that I'd be bothered about watching over and over again.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 8:11:59 PM   
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The Holy Mountain always baffles me. But in a good way.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 8:57:04 PM   
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Me too.



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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 9:01:50 PM   
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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 9:35:54 PM   
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Though I think Nicholas Roeg is one of the greatest directors, I remember feeling a bit lost by parts of The Man Who Fell to Earth, but this was a few years back late one night on the tv.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 2/3/2012 10:56:35 PM   
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Though I think Nicholas Roeg is one of the greatest directors, I remember feeling a bit lost by parts of The Man Who Fell to Earth, but this was a few years back late one night on the tv.



I knew there was one film that completely baffled me.
Reminds me to sit and watch it again after 5 years of none viewing,not on purpose though.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 3/3/2012 2:06:52 AM   
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Ah, I frgot to mention The Fountain. I thought I was following it alright, but by the end I had no idea what happened.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 3/3/2012 9:01:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chewbacasnapsak


quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon


quote:

ORIGINAL: chewbacasnapsak

Dirty Dancing, What the absolute fuck.


Girl meets boy. Girl loses boy. Girl gets boy back in time for all dancing finale.

How is that hard to follow?








I was baffled into why its entertaining, I was trying to get my end away at the time so I let her choose the film. Maybe it was a case of blue balls.


LOL
Im with yo on Dirty Dancing, its not hard to follow, just bafflingly as to why it is so ridiculously popular when its so shit!

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 3/3/2012 10:44:44 AM   
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For all the supposedly 'difficult to follow' examples quoted here (Inception, Memento, The Usual Suspects) I found Quantum of Solace & POTC3 far more baffling in that I totally lost track of what the f*** was going on. Possibly because those 'difficult' examples are superbly crafted and structured so that they remain accessible, whereas those two films just seemed to make it up as they went along.

Oh and the last two Matrix films as well. Bloody ridiculous, innit?


Absoulutely. Movies like Memento and The Usual Suspects may have complex narratives but they are skilfully crafted like you say ensuring that if you pay attention it will make sense. Sadly a lot of big-budget blockbusters these days just seem to randomly throw stuff together with little regard for narrative or pacing and come across as a horrible mess.


Very good point. I sidestepped all but the first POTC films and Quantum of Solace, but without wanting to sound seriously stupid, I gave up on The A-Team - that was as incoherent and messy a film as any I've ever tried to watch. The amount of wine I'd drank probably didn't help, but it just seemed like that substituted a decent plot and structure for ADHD editing, silly action and plot exposition that was essentially just shoving random people's faces in your face and telling you that they were now the baddie. Shite! It's not that often that I'll switch a film off and not even bother attempting to watch again.


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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 3/3/2012 11:33:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: scary_ice


quote:

ORIGINAL: MattTheBadger

For all the supposedly 'difficult to follow' examples quoted here (Inception, Memento, The Usual Suspects) I found Quantum of Solace & POTC3 far more baffling in that I totally lost track of what the f*** was going on. Possibly because those 'difficult' examples are superbly crafted and structured so that they remain accessible, whereas those two films just seemed to make it up as they went along.

Oh and the last two Matrix films as well. Bloody ridiculous, innit?


Absoulutely. Movies like Memento and The Usual Suspects may have complex narratives but they are skilfully crafted like you say ensuring that if you pay attention it will make sense. Sadly a lot of big-budget blockbusters these days just seem to randomly throw stuff together with little regard for narrative or pacing and come across as a horrible mess.


Transformers 2 and 3 being prime examples. They just have no regard for coherent plotting whatsoever.

Ju-On confused the hell out of me (as well as gave me the willies) and so did Casshern.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 4/3/2012 4:18:24 PM   
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Most Lynch films to be honest but that's what I love about them, there bananas dream like quality, Mulholland Drive being my favourite. Also Ong Bak 2, was completely lost by the end, but I guess that's what happens when the director/star has a mental breakdown during the shoot.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 4/3/2012 8:02:55 PM   
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Inland Empire...what the hell went on there?! I managed to follow it up to a certain point but after that I have no idea what was happening or what it all meant...and not in a good way.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 4/3/2012 8:13:23 PM   
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Evil Dead 2 and Army Of Darkness. Just. Mental.



But both are great films.


I wouldn't personally call them great, but they sure are entertaining as hell. I think I'm still surprised as to how completely different they are from the first one.



Great = entertaining as hell. But of course I would say that where Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness are concerned. The former is a masterpiece after all.

Lost Highway. What the fuck? but a beautiful, glorious what the fuck.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 4/3/2012 10:24:12 PM   
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The Fountain's not that confusing, surely?

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 5/3/2012 10:29:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NCC1701A

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ORIGINAL: Whistler

Evil Dead 2 and Army Of Darkness. Just. Mental.



But both are great films.


I wouldn't personally call them great, but they sure are entertaining as hell. I think I'm still surprised as to how completely different they are from the first one.



Great = entertaining as hell. But of course I would say that where Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness are concerned. The former is a masterpiece after all.

Lost Highway. What the fuck? but a beautiful, glorious what the fuck.



Nah, Lost Highway, piece of piss

Very beginning of the film, Fred is awaiting execution for murdering his wife. The only time you ever see Fred from outside his own head.

Very end of the film: Fred, in his head, is attempting to flee from justice, but outside his delusion he is in the electric chair, he looks around in panic, the electric current is switched on, Fred screams, and yells, and his face becomes distorted and burns a bit, as his death sentence is carried out.

Because Fred has retreated inside his head, we see the execution as it appears to him, him driving the car, chased by police.

Between the opening and closing moments, various aspects of the truth of what is happening are hidden in plain sight, here there and everywhere, mixed among Fred's attempts, in his own head, to remember things his own way, not necessarily how they happened. And when attempts to rewrite history in his head/invent things/invent someone to blame so he can escape his guilt of murder don't work, he imagines himself becoming someone else (Pete) so he can escape from himself. He can't. The whole Pete thing is delusion, and wish fulfillment (Pete is younger, not impotent, in prison due to some kind of mistake and set free).

Fred tries to live in his head, as Pete, but delusions/psychotic breaks inevitably get impinged upon by reality, and therefore, this innocent, blank altar ego Pete is frightened and confused by strange things that start to happen, and his attempt to run with 'Alice' from the strangeness (Fred wanting to be Pete and for his wife to still be with him) is an attempt to flee from the breaking down of his fantasy alternative life. But reality pursues him. He killed his wife, and he has to pay the price. Pete turns back into Fred, who knows he is going to be executed. But he never completely comes back to reality, and his fear/desire to escape from his death by electric chair is depicted by the police chase at the end (which is probably a depiction of sorts of how he tried to run from the police in the first place, so his last thoughts in this life, as he is being executed, are of the last moments in his life that he was still a free man, the moment he became totally deranged and the moments of his execution both depicted in the same imagery.

The mystery man is his conscience, that wont allow him to get away with any kind of self delusion for too long, because even he knows, deep down, he doesn't deserve to.


Or sum shit like dat

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 5/3/2012 11:58:23 AM   
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The Fountain's not that confusing, surely?


I get the present day timeline and the whole thought of when you die you change into something else and become part of it.

No idea what was happening in the future bubble or to the conquistador (spelling)

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 5/3/2012 12:13:04 PM   
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The Fountain's not that confusing, surely?


I get the present day timeline and the whole thought of when you die you change into something else and become part of it.

No idea what was happening in the future bubble or to the conquistador (spelling)


My take is:

His wife knows that he will obsess forever about ways he could have helped her, but she has accepted that there in no more that can be done, so she writes the story of the conquistador, imagining him as that character to 'send the message' that seeking to prevent life ending is not possible in the terms someone who wants eternal life wants. Your life/essence becomes part of the fabric of nature, and goes on in that way or something, but the obsession with the fountain of youth leads to life passing someone by.

We all die, we all become part of the 'cosmos' or whatever.

Re the bubble, I read that as symbolising him, isolated from life by the grief pre and post losing his wife, in retreat from the rest of life, hence the monk like appearance/rituals. But via this contemplation, and once he has understood that his wife accepted her passing and, and wrote the story of the conquistador because he must accept the natural processes of life and death too, and just saying this literally would have less effect, he symbolically becomes 'enlightened' and 'ascends' out of his state of isolation/contemplation/grief to accept her passing and be able to go on with life, and not let life pass him by in grief or wishing he could have done more to, help, just as his wife wanted.



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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 6/3/2012 1:12:05 AM   
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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 6/3/2012 5:26:54 AM   
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oh man! I remember that film - I had to buy the dvd for a friend who is a HUGE Neil Gaiman fan. I tried to watch it with her but fell asleep.

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RE: Films That Completely Baffle You - 6/3/2012 7:51:40 AM   
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Versus.
I think I started to lose the plot after about 5 minutes, then just thought "what the fuck" and watched it for pure entertainment purposes. I have no idea what happened, or why, or to whom.
I just recall lots of great zombie deaths and amusing choreography. I enjoyed it without understanding any of it.

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