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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 12/1/2013 12:12:05 AM   
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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 12/1/2013 12:17:49 AM   
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 Do you accept the appearance of aliens in sci-fi films? Or that Superman can fly? Or the way one man can take down an army in action films? Because it's the same principle, you're being asked to suspend your disbelief and simply accept the oddities as part of the world the film is presenting. It's no different with musicals.

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 12/1/2013 12:23:00 AM   
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Do you accept the appearance of aliens in sci-fi films? Or that Superman can fly? Or the way one man can take down an army in action films? Because it's the same principle, you're being asked to suspend your disbelief and simply accept the oddities as part of the world the film is presenting. It's no different with musicals.

I certainly do and it is not the same principle at all - as in every sci fi/horror/fiction case, these are suitably explained and I can therefore suspend belief due to narrative, back story etc. I have never seen a musical where at some point it is explained why everyone needs to sing instead of talking - in many ways aliens are more believable than people running about singing at everyone !


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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 12/1/2013 12:40:10 AM   
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 Actually I can think of one exception, that episode of Buffy where they all sang, now I liked that !

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 12/1/2013 1:12:07 AM   
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Actually I can think of one exception, that episode of Buffy where they all sang, now I liked that !

Yeah that is cracking, but the the convention of the musical means that it doesn't matter why they are singing just that that is the way the story is told, you either except it or not.

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 12/1/2013 1:18:38 AM   
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I'd rather watch The Notebook tbh. It doesn't go all annoying French film in that way annoying French films do - there's an initial discussion between Trintignant and Huppert that just made me go 'FFS' and switch off. 

This always amazes me about you guys, you wax lyical about arthouse cinema when it is getting overlooked by the oscars but as soon as they reconise the talent of someone like Heneke you suddenly turn your back on them. Why can't you except that it is a good thing for cinema that such a film has been nominated?

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 12/1/2013 1:20:50 AM   
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Personally, I just cannot balance story telling with the sudden desire for characters to break into song for no apparrent reason, no matter how good the stars or direcors may be. I am a pretty open minded chap and will go with most plot ideas if properly introduced, but singing a story along ? Why ?
I am also confused as to why perfectly good actors suddenly feel they have voices worthy of song just because they are in a musical, some actors can sing and 'tother way around but that is the exception, not the rule !


But isn't there a difference between your personal opinion that you don't like musicals - fair enough - and the idea they aren't suitable for films? Given they don't explain the singing on stage either, the medium isn't really relevant, I don't think, to your problem with them.


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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 12/1/2013 1:24:45 AM   
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Actually I can think of one exception, that episode of Buffy where they all sang, now I liked that !

Yeah that is cracking, but the the convention of the musical means that it doesn't matter why they are singing just that that is the way the story is told, you either except it or not.


Which is kind of my point really, I just can't accept it - hats off to those of you who can, but I'm gonna stick to the old tradition of speech thanks !

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 12/1/2013 10:53:44 AM   
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Personally, I just cannot balance story telling with the sudden desire for characters to break into song for no apparrent reason, no matter how good the stars or direcors may be. I am a pretty open minded chap and will go with most plot ideas if properly introduced, but singing a story along ? Why ?
I am also confused as to why perfectly good actors suddenly feel they have voices worthy of song just because they are in a musical, some actors can sing and 'tother way around but that is the exception, not the rule !


But isn't there a difference between your personal opinion that you don't like musicals - fair enough - and the idea they aren't suitable for films? Given they don't explain the singing on stage either, the medium isn't really relevant, I don't think, to your problem with them.



But both lines of thought are my personal opinion , others may think differently but I don't really see a diffference, in my eyes it doesn't work. When recruiting for the stage on a musical, if you can't sing, you rarely apply and would hardly ever be considered. In a film, it really doesn't seem to matter if you sing like my drunken tone deaf Auntie, which, I think, goes some way to tell you how important the musical aspect really is. The stage is limited by it's physical size and the medium of song is often used to expand the audiences perception of time or location, memory etc. The medium of film suffers no such problems because it has no limit on scope and therefore has no real reason for abusing song at all . . . . . in my opinion

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 12/1/2013 10:59:14 AM   
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Obviously it's your opinion - isn't this just a discussion of it?

And again - your comments on stage vs screen apply to more than just musicals. Some directors successfully transfer a stage play to screen by reconsidering the way the story is told, others plonk down the camera and do barely anything different (helloooooo Ron Howard) and you might as well have been watching the play. Opinions on voices are just voices - some apparently great voices can feel like nails down a blackboard too


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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 12/1/2013 11:53:39 PM   
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 If anything, you could say humans have an innate emotional connection with music and rhythm - musicals are therefore another medium to express that emotion within the story.

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 13/1/2013 9:40:20 PM   
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Interesting to see the Observer critics today all saw the Foreign Film category as a pretty straight fight between Amour and A Royal Affair. No mention of War Witch but I remember it being the same with The Secret In Their Eyes, the post Oscar reason being given as none of them had actually seen it (and, shamefully, I think it was Bradshaw that dismissed it out of hand NOT having seen it just because films he had seen and liked didn't win).


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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 13/1/2013 10:31:25 PM   
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 They say the rules that all foreign nominees have to be watched in Academy screenings means that it's a lot of the older, less active, voters who dominate the voting. Amour might absolutely terrify them.

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 13/1/2013 10:42:32 PM   
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Using older actors is certainly the way to play to the voters though. But I wondered if they might, then, be more likely to go Best Picture than Best Foreign. I kind of think it might have a better chance of that. Like Les Mis not having a hope of hell in winning the Best British Film category at Bafta which just looks silly this year. 

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 13/1/2013 10:44:53 PM   
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 If Amour's going to win anything major I think it'll either be actress or screenplay.

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 13/1/2013 11:04:45 PM   
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Well, you are the better guesser with these things. 

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 14/1/2013 12:35:55 AM   
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 Just finished listening to Kermode & Mayo's nominations podcast.

Emma Stone and Seth MacFarlane were great, and the Harvey Weinstein gag made me lol.

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 14/1/2013 5:20:19 AM   
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 Having just watched the Golden Globes, I'm encouraged to hope that maybe the Academy won't be boringly obvious and give best picture to the worthy but dull Lincoln. I was so pleased to see Argo take the Globes for Best Picture and Best Director.
But let's face it, I don't really care that much so long as Tarantino doesn't come within a bull's roar.

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 14/1/2013 7:06:50 PM   
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This opinion is subject to change as I'm yet to see Django Unchained, Lincoln, Zero Dark Thirty, Silver Linings Playbook, Amour or Beasts of the Southern Wild*, but I really hope Argo takes the top prize. It won't, but I would love it to.

*Hope to catch SLP, Amour and Beasts on their pre-Oscars cinema re-run.

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 25/1/2013 6:56:43 AM   
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I so damn agree. The Hobbit is amazing. Damn amazing.

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 28/1/2013 10:45:41 AM   
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waiting for oscars 2013...

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 30/1/2013 10:36:32 PM   
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Having seen pi the other day must say that is a very weak nomination, its not terrible, just painfully avenge.

Out of the ones I have seen so far wouldn't mind either Les Miserables or Silver Linings winning both satisfied me in different ways. But do plan on seeing Lincoln and Zero Dark Thirty over the next week.

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 3/2/2013 11:41:44 PM   
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Django
Silver Linings

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Life Of Pi

I'm yet to see Lincoln which opens here in a few days, Amour I probably won't get to see until after the ceremony unless I *cough cough mumble mumble* and I really don't want to see Les Mis I probably will though.

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 4/2/2013 8:23:48 PM   
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Zero Dark Thrity 10/10

Silver Linings Playbook 8/10

Argo 8/10

Les Miserables 7.5/10

Lincoln 7.5/10

Beasts of the Southern Wild 6/10

Life of Pi 5/10



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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 11/2/2013 6:33:39 PM   
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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 13/2/2013 12:10:41 AM   
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Zero Dark Thrity 10/10

Silver Linings Playbook 8/10

Argo 8/10

Les Miserables 7.5/10

Lincoln 7.5/10

Life of Pi 5/10



Updated! Just three to see now, will be seeing Amor around the time of the awards themselves.

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 18/2/2013 9:06:20 PM   
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Having now seen them all I'm having difficulty calling Documentary between Gatekeepers and Five Broken Cameras. I have a feeling the subject matter might carry the former. 

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 22/2/2013 1:20:21 AM   
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Saw Beasts to say and have to say it was not the film I was hopeing for. Will see the final two Django and Amour next week.

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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 23/2/2013 10:18:41 AM   
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My sweepstake

Best Film - Lincoln
Best Director - Haneke
Best Actor - Day-Lewis
Best Actress - Riva
Best Supporting Actor - Lee Jones (although I'd love Arkin to get it)
Best Supporting Actress - Adams
Best Animated - Wreck it Ralph (should be Pirates!)
Cinematography - Life of Pi (should be Skyfall)
Costume - Mirror Mirror
Documentary - The Gatekeepers
Doc Short - Innocente
Film Editing - Zero Dark Thirty
Foreign Language - War Witch
Hair - Hitchcock (would you give hathaway's haircut and award?!?)
Music - Lincoln
Song - Skyfall
Prodn Design - Lincoln (although I'm not that happy with the noms here)
Animated Short - Head over Heels
Sound Editing - Zero Dark Thirty
Sound Mixing - Skyfall
Visual Effects - Life of Pi
Adapted Screenplay - Lincoln
Original Screenplay - Amour
Short - about to watch them



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RE: Oscars 2013 - The Predictions! - 23/2/2013 10:21:32 AM   
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I was interested to see a story about the Academy's shorts distributor - Shorts HD - getting stroppy about the nominees putting the films on line for free. It's a bit off if you have to give up some rights to allow the Academy to profit just because you're nominated. 

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