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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 4/1/2013 1:12:51 PM   
Chief


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I quite liked S2 but I think they should leave it there.

There was no cliff hanger or major loose ends to tie up, call it a day and finish on a high.

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 4/1/2013 1:26:15 PM   
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I quite liked S2 but I think they should leave it there.

There was no cliff hanger or major loose ends to tie up, call it a day and finish on a high.


Who framed Brody?
Who's the mole in the CIA?
How does Brody clear his name?

Pretty big loose ends that I definitely want tied up

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 4/1/2013 1:36:16 PM   
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How does Brody clear his name?



"I did make that tape when I was planning to blow up something else, but I didn't blow up Langley, I swear."

Was Brody given a deal (even if Estes was going to kill him anyways) if the info he provided lead to Nazir?

For all this seasons faults and stupid stupid plot turns, (I never really bought the romance between Carrie and Brody) there were moments, usually from Lewis, that just made me realise why I love this show. His reaction to the news of Nazir's death for one, running the gamut of emotions.

And as always there's Saul, who summed up Carrie and ironically the show best this year "You're the smartest and the dumbest fucking person/show I know."

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 4/1/2013 11:20:06 PM   
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I gotta say, I was kinda hoping both Carrie and Brody would disappear, thujs paving the way for a brand new story with Saul at the helm. Rupert Friends character could also come back.

It would give Claire Danes time to spend with her new baby and Damien Lewis a chance to take on a couple of lucrative movie roles.

And then, in season four, they could be brought back depending on the demands of the new story, if necessary...


What the hell happened to his character!? Suddenly becomes a "good guy" defending Brody? Presume he must be kicking himself now after the bomb in Brody's car, I doubt he'll be back






So... he got a crisis of conscience, he didn't kill Brody and now shitloads of people are dead because he mistakenly thinks he failed to act when he was ordered to. He comes back into the fold, determined to do the right thing ( just like Carrie had guilt over 9/11) gets involved in a brand new mission and then, at some point, Brody re-appears...

Wow, this shit writes itself!

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 8/1/2013 12:30:12 AM   
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Thinking about it wouldnt Quinn of been in deep trouble just for insubordination alone? its an order from the director of the CIA.....never mind entering his house and threatening to kill him, or do Quinns ilk answer to nobody?

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 8/1/2013 12:36:01 AM   
musht


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Thinking about it wouldnt Quinn of been in deep trouble just for insubordination alone? its an order from the director of the CIA.....never mind entering his house and threatening to kill him, or do Quinns ilk answer to nobody?


I think Estes was the deputy director. But pedantry aside you're dead right. The whole season was full of holes like this.

I just done a googling and supposedly Quinn will be back

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 8/1/2013 12:50:27 AM   
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Thinking about it wouldnt Quinn of been in deep trouble just for insubordination alone? its an order from the director of the CIA.....never mind entering his house and threatening to kill him, or do Quinns ilk answer to nobody?


I think Estes was the deputy director. But pedantry aside you're dead right. The whole season was full of holes like this.

I just done a googling and supposedly Quinn will be back

Oh the Deputy director, the director (like the president) must be having a long holiday :D

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 8/1/2013 1:28:44 PM   
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Errrr...you do realise that was a 'black ops' unofficial and illegal order right? That's why he could throw it back in Estes face with the threat. If it came out Estes career would be over, and he'd probably go to prison. I really don't consider that a plot hole or bad writing, but wholeheartedly admit there's been others.



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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 8/1/2013 2:18:18 PM   
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Errrr...you do realise that was a 'black ops' unofficial and illegal order right? That's why he could throw it back in Estes face with the threat. If it came out Estes career would be over, and he'd probably go to prison. I really don't consider that a plot hole or bad writing, but wholeheartedly admit there's been others.




I would of thought there would have been some sort of backlash; even something from that dude Quinn met on the bus. Regardless of illegal orders I doubt black ops guys can get away with breaking into the deputy director of the CIA's house and threaten him.


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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 8/1/2013 2:37:45 PM   
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That WAS the whole point of the threat. To show Estes how easy it was for him to break in and threaten him and why he could get away with it, as well as how easily he could leak the info and ruin his career. He basically had him by the balls. Of course, there's no reason why Estes couldn't just turn round to the guy running the black ops and tell him he had a rogue agent, but pretty sure Rupert Friends character was prepared for that anyway. He is already pretty much living off the grid as was shown in one of the episodes.

I love it all, its classic black ops espionage stuff - right up my street.

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 8/1/2013 3:12:09 PM   
musht


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That WAS the whole point of the threat. To show Estes how easy it was for him to break in and threaten him and why he could get away with it, as well as how easily he could leak the info and ruin his career. He basically had him by the balls. Of course, there's no reason why Estes couldn't just turn round to the guy running the black ops and tell him he had a rogue agent, but pretty sure Rupert Friends character was prepared for that anyway. He is already pretty much living off the grid as was shown in one of the episodes.

I love it all, its classic black ops espionage stuff - right up my street.


This make sense but at the same time if it was an illegal black ops order than there surely wouldn't be documentation or proof that it was ever issued, therefore what can he leak?

Anyway it doesn't really matter because now Quinn is fucked as far as I can see. Dunno where they'll go with his character now, will he change his mind again and decide to hunt down Brody after all

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 8/1/2013 6:48:46 PM   
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Errrr...you do realise that was a 'black ops' unofficial and illegal order right?

And...? So a Black op can just report someone, that being the CIA deputy director for 'illegal orders'? To who? With what? Isnt that going against the point of being in Black Operations in the first place

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 27/1/2013 10:15:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: musht


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

I quite liked S2 but I think they should leave it there.

There was no cliff hanger or major loose ends to tie up, call it a day and finish on a high.


Who framed Brody?
Who's the mole in the CIA?
How does Brody clear his name?

Pretty big loose ends that I definitely want tied up


I've just watched both seasons in the past few weeks, catching up on this thread. Re your questions above,

1. Nazir did, Brody was a patsy, Nazirs plan played out as he intended. Not sure how much more definitive that could be?
2. Why does there have to be a mole?
3. He can't.

Overall I enjoyed the show but the number of plot gaps towards the end just got ridiculous. For the story to ring true, Brody really had to die. Anything else is delving into the realms of Prison Break where the worlds most wanted fugitives roam the streets without challenge.

After a great season 1, season 2 was not so far removed from typical 24 fare. Not the biggest insult, but Homeland is nowhere near the class of Breaking Bad or Mad Men for me.

Having said all that, I'll tune in for season 3, if only for more from the superb Inyigo Montoya.....sorry Saul "the Bear" Berensen!


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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 27/1/2013 10:39:36 PM   
musht


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quote:

ORIGINAL: musht


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

I quite liked S2 but I think they should leave it there.

There was no cliff hanger or major loose ends to tie up, call it a day and finish on a high.


Who framed Brody?
Who's the mole in the CIA?
How does Brody clear his name?

Pretty big loose ends that I definitely want tied up


I've just watched both seasons in the past few weeks, catching up on this thread. Re your questions above,

1. Nazir did, Brody was a patsy, Nazirs plan played out as he intended. Not sure how much more definitive that could be?
2. Why does there have to be a mole?
3. He can't.

Overall I enjoyed the show but the number of plot gaps towards the end just got ridiculous. For the story to ring true, Brody really had to die. Anything else is delving into the realms of Prison Break where the worlds most wanted fugitives roam the streets without challenge.

After a great season 1, season 2 was not so far removed from typical 24 fare. Not the biggest insult, but Homeland is nowhere near the class of Breaking Bad or Mad Men for me.

Having said all that, I'll tune in for season 3, if only for more from the superb Inyigo Montoya.....sorry Saul "the Bear" Berensen!



We were told there's a mole, there was definitely a reason why they suspected there was a mole I just can't remember ... also it's the kind of thing the producers would throw in there. If there's no mole I'll be disappointed.

I really hope there's more to it than Abu Nazir planted the bomb, how would he have done so and to what aim? Is that it, his terrorist cell is disbanded, mission accomplished. Makes no sense.

Nowhere near as good as those shows (admittedly haven't seen much of BB). Second season really did drop the ball, the plot holes were ridiculous - "I'm just going to stay here with this unarmed CIA crazy lady to check out this "wall" you other 5 armed military dudes go on ahead we'll catch up with you."

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 8/10/2013 7:33:08 AM   
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Bit of a slow start to the season. No idea what time has passed since Series 2 (something like 58 days since Langley is mentioned) but the kids have both aged at least a year.
I knew Saul would blame Carrie, not that he had much choice but I don't like the chairman one bit, so he's the new bad guy for me.
I also expected Brody to pay a surprise visit at the end, no idea how or why, a phone call, turning up outside the window to whisk Carrie away, but it looks like we're going to wait a bit for him.


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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 8/10/2013 10:37:36 AM   
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Quite enjoyed the first episode back, a low-key affair but well acted none the less.

Perhaps I'm a bit of a cold-hearted bastard, but I've spent two seasons screaming at the TV when Carrie does something stupid (most episodes), so I'm not quite as sympathetic to her cause as perhaps I should be. Sucks that Saul seems to be throwing her to the wolves, but he's between a rock and a hard place, unless there's a bigger plan afoot.

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 8/10/2013 1:14:43 PM   
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Quite enjoyed the first episode back, a low-key affair but well acted none the less.

Perhaps I'm a bit of a cold-hearted bastard, but I've spent two seasons screaming at the TV when Carrie does something stupid (most episodes), so I'm not quite as sympathetic to her cause as perhaps I should be. Sucks that Saul seems to be throwing her to the wolves, but he's between a rock and a hard place, unless there's a bigger plan afoot.


I reckon that by throwing her to the wolves, he knows that she will now do everything to find Brody. He wouldn't do that to her without there being a bigger plan. The fact that the CIA thought getting these 6 targets would stop the heat on them is a bit naive tho, that to me was the weakest part of the opening episode.

Still some of the best acting on TV though!


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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 8/10/2013 2:19:32 PM   
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I got bored... and what is it about the fucking daughter getting so much screen time? it's really starting to spoil the show. Just fuck off luv and bleed out next time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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unless there's a bigger plan afoot


Yes, I think he wants a reaction out of her... time will tell. That chairman is a cunt though.

And I'll never trust Saul's new best mate... I still haven't forgiven him for killing Mozart!

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 8/10/2013 8:27:36 PM   
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Yay, this thread has re-appeared!

And the frequent trailers on C4 gave FAR too much away...

Whatever... I just hope that Saul has a plan in mind because if he didn't, what a shitty thing to do to Carrie!



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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 9/10/2013 1:53:10 PM   
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and what is it about the fucking daughter getting so much screen time? it's really starting to spoil the show. Just fuck off luv and bleed out next time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Good, not just me thinking that then. Don't know why she can't be more like her brother and just blend in and leave the acting to the grown ups.
My third most hated character on telly (Joffery in Game of Thrones and Rusty in Major crimes incase you're wondering...but you're probally not)

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 9/10/2013 2:35:23 PM   
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My third most hated character on telly (Joffery in Game of Thrones and Rusty in Major crimes incase you're wondering...but you're probally not)


I hate Joffrey the character, because he is so evil, but to be fair, he's brilliant.
Rusty in major crimes was the most annoying twattish turd of a kid, moaning and irresponsible, that was the storyline that seriously made me give up watching the programme. That and the fact she looked weird without her glasses.

I'm guessing the daughter is ready for a big storyline in Homeland. The texting her tits bit can't just be a writer perv moment so perhaps the boyfriend is going to be the new bad guy. Or perhaps indeed it's filler for the lack of Brody action.

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 9/10/2013 2:41:24 PM   
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Good start to the season and Saul throwing Carrie '' under a bus '' was a shocker but i guess she has left him no choice.

Oh and count me in on the Brodys daughter hate.Cant fucking stand her.Im actually an episode ahead on RTE and her story gets even worse.Writers, PLEASE KILL HER OFF!!!

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 10/10/2013 2:40:53 PM   
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And she has overly bushy eyebrows!

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 10/10/2013 3:25:59 PM   
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Looks like were not the only ones who hate the Dana character...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449239/Homeland-fans-want-Brodys-suicidal-teenage-daughter-Dana-killed-show.html

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 10/10/2013 5:13:54 PM   
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Oh dear God, I may have to stop watching.... shame.

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 10/10/2013 8:41:43 PM   
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So, the teenage daughter became all petulant and annoying... um, isn't that most teenage girls?

The deeply annoying and spoiler-y trailer gave away an interesting plot point that might make her interesting again...





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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 11/10/2013 2:25:00 PM   
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So, the teenage daughter became all petulant and annoying... um, isn't that most teenage girls?

The deeply annoying and spoiler-y trailer gave away an interesting plot point that might make her interesting again...







Linky please?

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 11/10/2013 2:29:49 PM   
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I don't get all this Dana hate. She's one of the more interesting characters on the show.

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 11/10/2013 4:21:47 PM   
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I don't get all this Dana hate. She's one of the more interesting characters on the show.


Absolutely.

It's the same as the 'Skyler's a bitch' brigade.

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RE: Homeland - Channel 4 speed - 11/10/2013 8:52:23 PM   
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So, the teenage daughter became all petulant and annoying... um, isn't that most teenage girls?

The deeply annoying and spoiler-y trailer gave away an interesting plot point that might make her interesting again...







Linky please?


Here you are...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfHw6IJxDyQ

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