Marwood
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Quite interesting that Chris Nolan cast her at all actually; he's assembled these awesome ensembles for The Dark Knight, Inception and The Dark Knight Rises and Insomnia and Memento each had a trio of fantastic leads.
Then in Batman Begins you have Christian Bale, Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, Cillian Murphy, Liam Neeson, Gary Oldman, Ken Watanabe, Tom Wilkinson....and Katie Holmes. The fuck?
Seriously never quite got what he saw in her for the role; she's not a terrible actress but felt really out of place in the film especially when Maggie Gylenhall did a much better job in TDK. It's been argued before that the character is a bit weak anyway and was more of a plot device in TDK (which I understand although don't really agree with) but I don't think Holmes was able to elevate it at all whereas Gylenhall did rise above what was on the page.
I've never understood the criticism that Katie Holmes gets to be honest, I think a lot of it is unfair and seems to stem from the fact she married the Cruiser! Certainly before then she was regarded in higher esteem as an actor with some top performances in Go, Wonder Boys and The Gift . And I think she does perfectly well with a character and in a part that is as you say, little more than a plot device.
I have always thought that Nolan simply can't cast women well in his films:
The Prestige: Scar-Jo with that awful accent. Batmans(s): Holmes and Gyllenhall, both awful. Inception:
Ellen Page...beyond irritating.
Carrie Anne Moss was decent in Memento on the other hand.
With regards to Holmes performance I tend to agree with @Discodez.Whenever I watch the more watchable Batman Begins Holmes so-called poor performance doe'snt stand out as much as people will lead you to believe.Actaully her performance isnt bad at all in my eyes,maybe its the fact that everyone else is just slightly better.
On @st3veebee idea that Nolan has a poor female casting-eye,I also slightly disagree.
Although the performances of Holmes and Droopy (Maggie Gyllenhaal) werent the greatest in his Batman Adaptations and wouldnt go as far to call there performances awfull.
I think,with regards to Nolans Bat-films,that the female characters are very much 'filler' in the wider story.
Interms of his other female leads I cant accpet the idea that they too have performed poorly.
Ellen Page performances in Inception was very good,though somewhat similiar to her other performances.
Marion Cotillard was also great in Inception,playing Cobbs confused wife brilliantly.
Carrie Ann Moss in Momento also put in a fine performance.
Gawd I always forget the excellent The Prestige - yep fair cop for ScarJo there. Rebecca Hall makes up for her though; great actress, interesting character, well played.
My only grumble with Page in Inception was that she was a pretty thin character and seemed to be there basically for Cobb to throw down some exposition. Again Cottilard in the film is a counter to the implied weakness Nolan's film have with female characters.
All the more reason I'm interested to see how Hathaway and Cottilard do in TDKR - in both cases I think you've got very talented actors and am expecting good things providing the roles are decent. Still think that's half the battle, you can have good actors wasted in bad roles or lost at sea if the director/s can't work with them effectively enough to bring some more life to the parts. See pretty much everyone in the Star Wars prequels for evidence of both points. Oh no I di'uuunt.
< Message edited by Marwood -- 23/2/2012 12:24:36 PM >
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