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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 3/2/2012 10:14:42 PM   
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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 4/2/2012 6:12:36 AM   
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I think the biggest problem I have as an unemployed graduate is knowing what my limits are, in other words what is a realistic career target for myself and what is not. I'm almost 24 and so I wonder which careers it is too late to enter with minimal experience at this point. The cliche is "there are no limits" but given the nature of the current job market that does not seem altogether realistic.


I feel the same way. I'm 24 and the career I want to get into isn't interested so much in qualifications as it is in experience, and I seriously whether uni was worth it. If I'd started at 18 I could have had a 6 year head start.

That's just my depressing side taking over though what's done is done, and going to uni did have its benefits, it's just hard to imagine right now.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 8/2/2012 12:42:15 PM   
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Just applied to Love Film for a job in customer development. Fingers crossed please everyone. Ta

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 8/2/2012 12:45:30 PM   
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I will keep my fingers crossed for you, JIm.

But mainly because when I have problems with my account, I shall now straight to you.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 8/2/2012 12:49:42 PM   
JIm R

 

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I will keep my fingers crossed for you, JIm.

But mainly because when I have problems with my account, I shall now straight to you.


I'll see what I can do for you matty

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 8/2/2012 12:54:45 PM   
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I'm volunteering in Barnardo's (again) to fill that gap in my CV.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 8/2/2012 1:00:53 PM   
JIm R

 

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I'm volunteering in Barnardo's (again) to fill that gap in my CV.


Spaldes, can Iask, how are the job centre and subsequent benefits 'allowance' affected by vouluntary work, in my experience they tend to say you can do only do 'x' number of hours or worse, view it badly as in their eyes, you are not making yourself available for work as such by volunteering.

Hope all goes well with it

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 8/2/2012 1:11:27 PM   
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My local job centre never had a problem with it when I was volunteering for the RDA. I only did it three days a week, one day of which was a Saturday.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 8/2/2012 1:19:35 PM   
JIm R

 

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My local job centre never had a problem with it when I was volunteering for the RDA. I only did it three days a week, one day of which was a Saturday.


Thanks Daz for info

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 8/2/2012 5:08:29 PM   
Spaldron


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ORIGINAL: JIm R

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ORIGINAL: Spaldron

I'm volunteering in Barnardo's (again) to fill that gap in my CV.


Spaldes, can Iask, how are the job centre and subsequent benefits 'allowance' affected by vouluntary work, in my experience they tend to say you can do only do 'x' number of hours or worse, view it badly as in their eyes, you are not making yourself available for work as such by volunteering.

Hope all goes well with it


I'm working with an outside provider contracted by the JCP so they can pretty much let me volunteer wherever and whenever. It was they who encouraged me to take up the post just as to fill in the gap on the CV. I'm only working there 2 days a week so its no big deal.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 8/2/2012 5:23:50 PM   
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Also, I go to an interview during my current job's working hoursand arrive in my uniform, so that I can go right back to work after the interview. Would this be a no no?


I think as long as you explain it, there's no problem. I wouldn't have an issue with it if I was interviewing someone in that situation anyway, it seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do.



I actually arranged for the guy who interviwed me for my current job to conduct the interview whilst I was at work in my old job. We even used my old bosses office!

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 8/2/2012 7:59:58 PM   
JIm R

 

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ORIGINAL: Spaldron


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ORIGINAL: Spaldron

I'm volunteering in Barnardo's (again) to fill that gap in my CV.


Spaldes, can Iask, how are the job centre and subsequent benefits 'allowance' affected by vouluntary work, in my experience they tend to say you can do only do 'x' number of hours or worse, view it badly as in their eyes, you are not making yourself available for work as such by volunteering.

Hope all goes well with it


I'm working with an outside provider contracted by the JCP so they can pretty much let me volunteer wherever and whenever. It was they who encouraged me to take up the post just as to fill in the gap on the CV. I'm only working there 2 days a week so its no big deal.


Thanks Spaldy, I'll keep this info in my back pocket when the inevitable trip to the job centre comes along in March

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 8/2/2012 8:46:36 PM   
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As long as you prove you are looking for and available for work (as per your agreed action plan) you can do as much voluntary work as you like, seeing as you don't generally need permission to take time off to attend interviews and such.

I was made redundant last year, ironically (or perhaps not) from a back to work training provider after several years (before that I worked for an Employment agency) We held and ran a prime contract under the old Labour New Deal work programme. I mostly worked in admin and finance but I did have two spells as an 'Employment Trainer'. When the new Work Programme was launched we failed to win one of the two prime contracts in our area, and had to settle for a small sub-contract with a small staff level. I stayed for a little while after that before time was called.

Having children I took a little break after that, and eventually took a part-time job in a Building Society now I'm mulling over going full-time again as ISA season has just started.

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Unfortunately this is the general case with the Job Centre. Unless you are really REALLY desperate for work and would be happy for low-end stuff like that, the JC is not for professionals or those looking at a specific field.


Just to pick up on this a little, the mandate is that they are (generally) not there to help you find the job you want, but to assist you in finding something you are capable of doing. General rule is you have 13 weeks to look for the type of work you want to do, after that anything goes. Now maybe you usually work in I.T. and don't like the thought of working on a production line (for an example) and dread the moment your advisor printing off that paper with the how to apply details on it, easiest thing to do, apply for it anyway. It doesn't have to be a good application. But anything the Jobcentre hands you are the ones they will check you have applied for and possibly sanction you for when you don't. Not that I'm advocating purposely screwing up an application of course, but you don't want to get caught out not applying for something when you really are trying hard to get a job in or close to your field.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 16/2/2012 3:06:44 PM   
JIm R

 

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Offically at last been put out of my misery and job has gone. Relieved to be honest. so much f*cking about, I can now move on and give official dates to interested employers.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 16/2/2012 4:03:16 PM   
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Was made redundant in November after the firm I did admin for went into liquidation, so far no real luck only had one interview so far...

How the rest of you guys structuring your days?

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 16/2/2012 4:10:17 PM   
JIm R

 

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My days are going to be spent following leads and taking up offers of meetings that are in pipeline and working out how I will keep roof over my head. As well as applying for a shed load of jobs.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 16/2/2012 4:33:26 PM   
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That seems like a logical plan but really just about how you go about finding that jobs, be it internet, phone, papers...

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 16/2/2012 4:41:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: matthewforan

That seems like a logical plan but really just about how you go about finding that jobs, be it internet, phone, papers...


Am signed to Reed Agnecy and website, papers, spec letters and contacts, t'internet.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 16/2/2012 7:51:21 PM   
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I was made redundant in May 2010 and still havent gotten back into a job. I have been shortlisted to the final 2 half a dozen times and have lost out to:

Being a bigger retention risk due to my experience (I was more likely to leave for something better than the other guy- ie I was better and hence more employable to others)
The other guy was currently employed doing the job (happened twice)
I wasnt related to the hiring manager (that wasnt the reason given obviously but the truth)
A flip of a coin (unbeliveable but true)
Over experienced

Recruitment agencies are good but also applying directly to people is a sign of ambition which I would recommend.

As for what I have done with my day - I set up my own company as I couldnt face the dregs of humanity who inhabited by job centre - uncouth, addicts...general riff raff. It was soul destroying.

So by having my own company, I forfeit my 35 a week but it does fill a gap on my CV if questioned about it. I have done consultancy work but its extremely hard to find. But what I have done is set up my own forum when I spotted an opportunity - I used to go on the BBCs 606 sports forum. It announced that it was closing last May so I set up my own. Nearly 4000 members and a modest revenue coming through (606v2.com - if anyone wants to come over and join!).

It has led to some very interesting things - I have set up my own journal (v2journal.com) and I get press access to most sports events (for example the 6 nations), Not making a living from it but should it continue to grow, maybe one day I will. No matter what happens going forward, it will be a nice little extra bit of pay to any job I take.


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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 16/2/2012 10:50:10 PM   
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have been out of work for almost 2 years which is soul destroying, My situation at the moment means it's virtually impossible for me to work. I'm a PA/Event's manager/PR type person. I've been given the opportunity to work with Jim on his film doing PR and bits which will close a gap on my CV and I'm going on a course about going self employed am looking at running an ebay store selling vintage pretties.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 17/2/2012 5:18:10 PM   
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Question Peops - When applying for a role and the job asks for experience with a particular computer system relative to that field (this being a stock programme for retail) and you don't have experience do you

a) Say yes you do and get training / knowledge prior to possible interview

b) Say no, be honest and indicate you are open to training, quick learner and adaptable etc.

c) Just don't mention it in covering letter and wait until it's brought up in possible dialogue with them at some point in future

Thanks

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 17/2/2012 6:18:31 PM   
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None, I go with D: Yes, you have used that particular package before, but it was a while ago and you're rusty on it/yes, you have used it but not for long because [insert generic reason here] and would the company be prepared to give you a refresher course?

If they say no, the company aren't worth working with.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 17/2/2012 8:34:42 PM   
JIm R

 

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None, I go with D: Yes, you have used that particular package before, but it was a while ago and you're rusty on it/yes, you have used it but not for long because [insert generic reason here] and would the company be prepared to give you a refresher course?

If they say no, the company aren't worth working with.


Cheers Funky, I'll go with that, blatent lying and manufactured cover up, cheers

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 17/2/2012 11:37:19 PM   
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None, I go with D: Yes, you have used that particular package before, but it was a while ago and you're rusty on it/yes, you have used it but not for long because [insert generic reason here] and would the company be prepared to give you a refresher course?

If they say no, the company aren't worth working with.


Good advice, that's the same answer I give in interviews when I get asked if I can use pivot tables in Excel etc.

But in the meantime it is well worth building up your skills with basic IT packages because most of the time you can teach yourself the skills or use tutorials which are free and all over the internet.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 1/3/2012 11:24:42 AM   
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One or two organisations showing interest in me. Had an interview yesterday that was pretty positive. Step in right direction.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 1/3/2012 11:36:36 AM   
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One or two organisations showing interest in me. Had an interview yesterday that was pretty positive. Step in right direction.

Good work...fingers crossed

I've had a few knockbacks this week from applications which I'm very disappointed about...really thought I'd get an interview with one of them as I hit every essential criteria and part of the desirable. Took me a fucking age to do the application as well!

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 1/3/2012 11:38:52 AM   
JIm R

 

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One or two organisations showing interest in me. Had an interview yesterday that was pretty positive. Step in right direction.

Good work...fingers crossed

I've had a few knockbacks this week from applications which I'm very disappointed about...really thought I'd get an interview with one of them as I hit every essential criteria and part of the desirable. Took me a fucking age to do the application as well!


Thanks dude and am sorry to hear your knockbacks, always a tough one to get over when you know given the chance you could do the job.

Sure things will work out mate.


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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 1/3/2012 11:45:38 AM   
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Cheers mate. I've got a couple of things that I have applied for and a couple more that I will today and tomorrow. Problem is, I'm trying to change industry. I've worked in media/advertising for the best part of 15 years and I've just had enough of it. Soul destroying. It's taken me this long to work out!

The two I got no's from this week were working in marketing communications in a university and a charity. Not a million miles away in terms of the job but very different environments from what I've come from.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 1/3/2012 11:50:49 AM   
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Cheers mate. I've got a couple of things that I have applied for and a couple more that I will today and tomorrow. Problem is, I'm trying to change industry. I've worked in media/advertising for the best part of 15 years and I've just had enough of it. Soul destroying. It's taken me this long to work out!

The two I got no's from this week were working in marketing communications in a university and a charity. Not a million miles away in terms of the job but very different environments from what I've come from.


Concentrate on your key transferable skills not necessirily the industry change. As you say similar job skills which you clearly have, depends where you were looking in the charity and university, having worked in both charity and education before health (where I am now) I know the skillset you have would directly relatable, particuarlu fund raising within charity.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 1/3/2012 12:11:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JIm R

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ORIGINAL: Skiba

Cheers mate. I've got a couple of things that I have applied for and a couple more that I will today and tomorrow. Problem is, I'm trying to change industry. I've worked in media/advertising for the best part of 15 years and I've just had enough of it. Soul destroying. It's taken me this long to work out!

The two I got no's from this week were working in marketing communications in a university and a charity. Not a million miles away in terms of the job but very different environments from what I've come from.


Concentrate on your key transferable skills not necessirily the industry change. As you say similar job skills which you clearly have, depends where you were looking in the charity and university, having worked in both charity and education before health (where I am now) I know the skillset you have would directly relatable, particuarlu fund raising within charity.

Yes I have definitely concentrated on the transferable skills of which there are many I think...I've got web content, email marketing and social media marketing experience as well, which was from a commerical point of view, but again in the same ball park of what a uni/charity would want I think

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