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The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other throu... - 30/1/2012 4:00:27 PM   
JIm R

 

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Hello all,
 
Having just been told I'll be made redundent at the end of March, I just thought those of us who are out of work, made redundent / looking for work could have a central place to help each other in terms of advice, job hunting, links to opportunities, CV support etc. bit like an Empire Job Club might be helpful.
 
A central point to moan, help and support.
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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 30/1/2012 4:01:56 PM   
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Did your job involve writing of any kind?

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 30/1/2012 4:02:56 PM   
JIm R

 

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Did your job involve writing of any kind?


No Miles, nothing to do with the industry.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 30/1/2012 4:05:58 PM   
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Get on linkedin. I see loads of opportunites through there.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 30/1/2012 4:06:32 PM   
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Job interviews.

Any good tips would be nice.

Also, I go to an interview during my current job's working hours and arrive in my uniform, so that I can go right back to work after the interview. Would this be a no no? Bear in mind that i work for an agency and will only get paid for the hours I do.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 30/1/2012 4:19:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: indysgill

Also, I go to an interview during my current job's working hoursand arrive in my uniform, so that I can go right back to work after the interview. Would this be a no no?


I think as long as you explain it, there's no problem. I wouldn't have an issue with it if I was interviewing someone in that situation anyway, it seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 30/1/2012 4:24:23 PM   
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I'm not out of work at the moment, but was made redundant in the not so distant past.

After 10 years working my arse off at Virgin Media to carve out a great carerer, developing skill sets and pushing myself to be invaluable, the time came when I was made redundant in mid 2009. I was genuinely, genuinely upset by it. I loved working for that place and managed to work in several areas, but when changes were made at the top there was only one option, move to Reading or be made redundant. Personal circumstances at the time meant a move away was near as dammit impossible, so to the Job Centre I went.

I don't mind admitting the 6 months I was out of work was one of the most depressing times of my life. I didnt struggle financially as I'd received over 34K in my redundancy package and I had cover on all my outgoings (mortgage,insurance,car etc) but not having anything to do with my time was killer. Personally, I thought the Job Centre was pointless, they simply were not well trained enough to help look for work for someone in my position. Without wanting to sound big headed, I had pushed hard and worked hard at VM to get myself into a really strong position and all the JOb Centre wanted to do was push me into Call Centre jobs. More skilled jobs in my field of expertise seemed to scare the life out of the reps at the Job Centre and they more often than not couldnt offer any advice, and they simply became somewhere for me to claim petrol/rail fare for job interviews. Also, a lot of Job Centre reps seemed genuinely surprised that I was applying for so many jobs and going to so many interviews, as if they expected me to apply for one or two a week at most. It was awful. Thankfully, a number of agencies fared better and after 6 months I finally found a new job, and although I was never happy there, it was enough to see me through until I found my current position.

My advice would definately be to claim for all the benefits allowed, check with Job Centres etc on cover for travel expenses to jobs/signing on etc...it all adds up and helps. Sign up for as many agencies as possible, they were sooo much better than the Job Centre at helping me find work. Dont get into a routine of staying in bed all day and keep active..... a colleague of mine made redundant at the time as me didnt start job hunting until 8 months after he was made redundant, utilising his redundancy package and insurance cover to live a life on the sofa. He's regretting it now as he had to take major steps back in his career. If youve been lucky enough to receive a redundancy pay out, take care of it, dont squander it on lifes luxuries, leave that till youre back in work. Best of luck to all that are out of work, facing redundancy etc, I know your pain, but opportunities are out there!

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 30/1/2012 4:25:32 PM   
JIm R

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: indysgill

Job interviews.

Any good tips would be nice.

Also, I go to an interview during my current job's working hours and arrive in my uniform, so that I can go right back to work after the interview. Would this be a no no? Bear in mind that i work for an agency and will only get paid for the hours I do.


Yep, no problem with that, indicates a keeness and desire to fit everything in and be adaptable, shouldn't think potential employers would have an issue with it.

< Message edited by JIm R -- 30/1/2012 4:28:17 PM >

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 30/1/2012 6:59:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: porntrooper
Personally, I thought the Job Centre was pointless, they simply were not well trained enough to help look for work for someone in my position. Without wanting to sound big headed, I had pushed hard and worked hard at VM to get myself into a really strong position and all the JOb Centre wanted to do was push me into Call Centre jobs.


I had a similar experience. I'm a qualified teacher amd the jobcentre suggested I apply to the local supermarket, which I did and then got nowhere with the application because I had no retail experience!

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 31/1/2012 1:19:34 AM   
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Been there, seen it, done it, bought the t-shirt.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 31/1/2012 10:31:32 AM   
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You're still unemployed arent you Spaldy?

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 31/1/2012 1:32:07 PM   
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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 31/1/2012 6:39:28 PM   
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I am currently considering a masters (I've just graduated) but I haven't pinned down a specific subject and I'm tentative about going into one without some relevant work experience. I have been looking at public policy or international development. Has anyone had any experience with either?

Plus what is the consensus here on masters? Is it worth waiting a couple of years upon graduating before jumping straight in?

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 31/1/2012 6:52:13 PM   
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I've been unemployed for just over 4 years now (though I was sick for a chunk of that).

I have no good advice, sadly.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 2/2/2012 1:02:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: nomimalone
quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper
Personally, I thought the Job Centre was pointless, they simply were not well trained enough to help look for work for someone in my position. Without wanting to sound big headed, I had pushed hard and worked hard at VM to get myself into a really strong position and all the JOb Centre wanted to do was push me into Call Centre jobs.


I had a similar experience. I'm a qualified teacher amd the jobcentre suggested I apply to the local supermarket, which I did and then got nowhere with the application because I had no retail experience!


Unfortunately this is the general case with the Job Centre. Unless you are really REALLY desperate for work and would be happy for low-end stuff like that, the JC is not for professionals or those looking at a specific field.

Whilst my job is safe for this year at least (pending whether Georgie boy decides to knock on the public sector's door yet again when he realises the hole in the budget is even bigger than he first thought), my wife has been informed that the Bristol office she works in will be closed by 2015. Much like porntrooper's experience, Basingstoke or no job. Now, we do have the benefit of at least two years' notice (on the basis that they have all been told no permanent posts will be got rid of before 2014) and the hope that by 2015 the job market will have improved significantly (no guarantee, obviously), and a half decent redundancy package but, assuming she doesn't find another job within a month of being made redundant, it'll be the first time she'll be out of work (aside from maternity leave) since she started working 18 years ago. Which is terrifying for her.

Sorry - that doesn't really help anyone, but I guess just goes to show how many are in the same boat.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 2/2/2012 1:23:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: porntrooper
I don't mind admitting the 6 months I was out of work was one of the most depressing times of my life. I didnt struggle financially as I'd received over 34K in my redundancy package and I had cover on all my outgoings (mortgage,insurance,car etc) but not having anything to do with my time was killer.


I was made redundant in June 11 and started work again 3 weeks ago. That 6 months was awesome and having worked for well over 20 years straight with the same company I got a decent payout and was able to enjoy that time off. What I found was I was really busy in the mornings (with gym) and some afternoons (cinema) but it was the afternoons I was struggling with in the end. Skyrim helped in November and December

What helped me was advice from a recruitment agent about getting my CV onto job sites (jobsite.co.uk was a really good one) as all agents trawl through those sites. As soon as I had done that my phone never stopped ringing. One thing I NEVER did was go near a job centre.

There are numerous sites for interview tips and went through a fair few of those. It's all about presentation of yourself and research of the company/job you are applying for.

Common on a large number of sites is the following split in an interview. They also say that most interviewers make up their mind in the first 90 seconds of seeing you so good eye contact, good posture, look positive and firm handshake

Words (the literal meaning) account for 7% of the overall message
Tone of voice accounts for 38% of the overall message
Body Language (how you look) accounts for 55% of the overall message


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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 2/2/2012 3:40:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tarantinofan

I am currently considering a masters (I've just graduated) but I haven't pinned down a specific subject and I'm tentative about going into one without some relevant work experience. I have been looking at public policy or international development. Has anyone had any experience witheither?

Plus what is the consensus here on masters? Is it worth waiting a couple of years upon graduating before jumping straight in?



I was going to do a Masters but unless the subject you're looking at is specifically related to what you want to do as a career, my advice would be to pass on it for the time being. It's just not worth studying a Masters purely for the academic interest these days, unless you want to work in academia. It's much better to start trying to find work experience first, although in the case of international development, you may be able to bypass that because one of the requirements I see quite frequently working for NGOs etc. is that candidates have a Masters degree.

I'm an unemployed grad, graduated last year but I've just started to get interest after posting my CV on jobs websites like Monster and totaljobs.com; had two interviews and waiting for the results now, so as long as you give yourself good exposure through the internet you'll be getting phone calls, rather than you phoning employers or sending CVs anonymously.

The advice on interviews Hobbitonlass gave is sound - I would add that at the interview you know your own CV inside out and if there was a covering letter make sure you can substantiate any wild claims you made on there. Cover all the bases so they can't trip you up. This website is great for anything employment related: http://www.askamanager.org/


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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 2/2/2012 10:02:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofZyryab


quote:

ORIGINAL: tarantinofan

I am currently considering a masters (I've just graduated) but I haven't pinned down a specific subject and I'm tentative about going into one without some relevant work experience. I have been looking at public policy or international development. Has anyone had any experience witheither?

Plus what is the consensus here on masters? Is it worth waiting a couple of years upon graduating before jumping straight in?



I was going to do a Masters but unless the subject you're looking at is specifically related to what you want to do as a career, my advice would be to pass on it for the time being. It's just not worth studying a Masters purely for the academic interest these days, unless you want to work in academia. It's much better to start trying to find work experience first, although in the case of international development, you may be able to bypass that because one of the requirements I see quite frequently working for NGOs etc. is that candidates have a Masters degree.

I'm an unemployed grad, graduated last year but I've just started to get interest after posting my CV on jobs websites like Monster and totaljobs.com; had two interviews and waiting for the results now, so as long as you give yourself good exposure through the internet you'll be getting phone calls, rather than you phoning employers or sending CVs anonymously.


I was just about to tell Tarantinofan to go for it with a masters. I did one last year and genuinely think its the best thing I've ever done. I went freelance soon after graduating, and have had a steady stream of work since. To be fair I did have bits of work experience prior to going in to my MA,
and got bits while I was studying, and I also guess it depends on what it is that you want to do to an extent, but yeah, I'm all for further qualifications.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 3/2/2012 11:30:18 AM   
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Just sent an application off via agency and read my covering letter back and can see typo's , bugger, bang goes my chances with that one then, skills and experience or not !

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 3/2/2012 12:22:04 PM   
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What is it that you do for a living Jim?

I was made redundant in Sept 10 and was out for around 4 months. Like others on here I found the job centre to be a waste of time. It seemed to me that the only advice they had was to check the paper, check the job centre and internet! How very insightful! Of course I was already doing this, on top of which I was ploughing through yell.com just calling up every electrical firm on there (I'm an electrician BTW). I called excess of 200 companies and got 1 interview with a firm who were obviously exploiting the situation by offering a joke in terms of wages. Mean while I felt that the job centre were just determined to push me into any old job in order to fulfil targets or get me of benefits. The fact that the jobs they were suggesting were completely unsuitable for me seemed irrelevant.
Eventually I got some temporary work with a firm through a friends recommendation. And shortly there after a permanent position with an agency who had seen my cv on a website I'd uploaded it on.
My point is that at the moment It's really difficult to find a good job (i've spent a year looking for something better to no avail), but don't get disheartened by the benefits system and job centre. Believe in yourself, take the knock backs and push on. To me the only thing worse than being out if work would have been sitting there and bit doing anything about it.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 3/2/2012 1:33:38 PM   
JIm R

 

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 3/2/2012 1:44:01 PM   
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I work in recruitment and I know that a lot of people think that we're parasites but I firmly believe we offer a useful service. A good consultant will work really hard on your behalf and will advise on CV, Interview tips etc and basically do whatever they can to help as that's how we make our money.

However, it's important that you're with the right kind of agencies and preferably someone that specialises in your sector. There's no point registering with a marketing agency if you're an accountant for example.

Jim - don't worry about a few typos in a covering letter my friend. That's far less important than the contents of your CV and the experience you have.

I'd put your CV on Jobsite, CV Library, Monster and Reed and also explore Linkedin.

EDIT - and yes the Jobcentre have no clue!

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 3/2/2012 1:47:35 PM   
JIm R

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob

I work in recruitment and I know that a lot of people think that we're parasites but I firmly believe we offer a useful service. A good consultant will work really hard on your behalf and will advise on CV, Interview tips etc and basically do whatever they can to help as that's how we make our money.

However, it's important that you're with the right kind of agencies and preferably someone that specialises in your sector. There's no point registering with a marketing agency if you're an accountant for example.

Jim - don't worry about a few typos in a covering letter my friend. That's far less important than the contents of your CV and the experience you have.

I'd put your CV on Jobsite, CV Library, Monster and Reed and also explore Linkedin.

EDIT - and yes the Jobcentre have no clue!


Thanks Rob, good to know from someone in the know, you really are a star

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 3/2/2012 3:39:41 PM   
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I think the biggest problem I have as an unemployed graduate is knowing what my limits are, in other words what is a realistic career target for myself and what is not. I'm almost 24 and so I wonder which careers it is too late to enter with minimal experience at this point. The cliche is "there are no limits" but given the nature of the current job market that does not seem altogether realistic.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 3/2/2012 3:51:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob

I work in recruitment and I know that a lot of people think that we're parasites but I firmly believe we offer a useful service. A good consultant will work really hard on your behalf and will advise on CV, Interview tips etc and basically do whatever they can to help as that's how we make our money.

Couldn't agree more! The last guy I dealt with (who found me my current job) did everything he could to prepare me for the job. I know I got the job on the basis of my interviews but he really did help with the advice he gave me.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 3/2/2012 9:49:55 PM   
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I should sign into this thread.

I walked out of a job I hated nearly four years ago, and have pretty much been through every agency I can think of under the sun. Temp work isn't exactly plentiful, and permanent stuff is as rare as hen's teeth. Job Centre's are about as much use as a priest's prick.

I had a part-time, long-term temp job, but the girl who I was replacing decided she was coming back. The bitch.

So..... yeah.


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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 3/2/2012 9:51:04 PM   
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Around The World Around the Wo...oh wrong thread.

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 3/2/2012 10:04:20 PM   
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Around The World Around the Wo...oh wrong thread.


That would be okay if the world was unemployed Rhubs

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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 3/2/2012 10:07:54 PM   
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RE: The Unemployed / Made Redundent / Help each other t... - 3/2/2012 10:11:43 PM   
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