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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 6:27:39 PM   
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Everyone vote for The Adventures of Baron Munchausen.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 9:21:47 AM   
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No. It's bloody awful

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 9:38:31 AM   
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Count me in.

What about these ones?

The King of Comedy (and Mean Streets too)
The Princess Bride
Moon
District 9
Galaxy Quest
Wings of Desire (I just want it to get on more lists)

Also, what about short films (like Vincent) or documentaries?



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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 9:55:44 AM   
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There's a couple I'd like to check as they were cult hits in Australia when they came out and for years after - not sure how they fared or are considered in the UK.
All of the following had extended runs in Sydney's Art House cinemas through the 80's up to the mid to late 90's and were hugely popular.

Betty Blue
Wings Of Desire
Rivers Edge
Paris,Texas
The Keep
Fargo
Annie Hall - I'm thinking this may be too famous to make the cut but surely any film as quotable and off-beat as this has to be considered.
Dark Crystal

and also maybe too big - Ghostbusters?

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 11:32:47 AM   
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No. It's bloody awful



What do you have where your soul is supposed to be?

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 11:52:32 AM   
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No. It's bloody awful



What do you have where your soul is supposed to be?


Good taste


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 11:54:32 AM   
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Munchaussen is awesome.

What about films starring Eric Roberts? He's a bit of a cult figure so his films should count right?

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 12:34:08 PM   
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I would love to. The Adventures of Baron Munchausen is a brilliant film that should be seen and loved by all.



You speak wise, wise, wise words.



Thanks, Justin!
You are so cool! And you are awesome! The Adventures of Baron Munchausen is a brilliant film that should be seen and loved by all.



this is how the conversation was supposed to go.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 12:54:11 PM   
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The Princess Bride
Moon
Galaxy Quest



Not sure about the others, but these three should be fine.

Oh, EVERYBODY VOTE GALAXY QUEST.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 1:07:58 PM   
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I would love to. The Very Same Munchausen is a brilliant film that should be seen and loved by all.



You speak wise, wise, wise words.



Thanks, Justin!
You are so cool! And you are awesome! The Very Same Munchausen is a brilliant film that should be seen and loved by all.



this is how the conversation was supposed to go.


Fixed that for you.


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 1:30:30 PM   
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Ok, to quickly answer some of these

King of Comedy - Fine
Mean Streets - Fine
The Princess Bride - I'm actually leaning towards no. Again it's a film with a huge amount of popularity, it was well-received at the time. I'm not sure there's enough there to push it to cult instead of just being a really popular film. If someone wants to make a good argument for it though I'll listen.
Moon - Should be fine
District 9 - No. It was a huge box office and critical success that got into the best picture lineup at the Oscars.
Galaxy Quest -  I always had it down as a really popular comedy that riffs on Star Trek rather than a cult film. I'm leaning towards no.
Wings of Desire is fine
Shorts are fine in general, but depends on what you want to nominate. Same with documentaries.
Betty Blue is fine
River's Edge is fine
Paris, Texas is fine
The Keep is fine
Fargo is a no
Annie Hall is a no
Dark Crystal is fine
Ghostbusters is way too big, yeah.
Eric Roberts - Some films will, some won't.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 1:37:14 PM   
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Galaxy Quest -  I always had it down as a really popular comedy that riffs on Star Trek rather than a cult film. I'm leaning towards no.



I wouldn't call Galaxy Quest really popular. It is on here, but everyone I've shown it to has never heard of it before I mentioned it. And Star Trek is the cultiest of cults, so any films that riffs on it is directly appealing to that cult.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 1:43:41 PM   
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It riffing on Star Trek doesn't automatically make it a cult film. Star Trek films aren't even going to be allowed. If we did that then it'd put us at the point where we'd also have to include Star Wars/LotR etc. And it's not like it's the kind of film that's so close a parody that only hardcore fans will understand it. And it made nearly $100 million at the box office. I'm just not convinced that a Tim Allen/Sigourney Weaver mainstream comedy should class simply because it pays homage to Star Trek.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 1:45:38 PM   
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I know you're probably tearing your hair out at this stage with all the questions Rawls, but I was just wondering on the eligibility on one or two things. How about Mermaid In A Manhole, A Scanner Darkly and Guy Maddin. It's kinda hard to know where horror/exploitation stops and cult begins. I'll send in a second list of about 20 to 30 titles anyway to substitute for anything you want to veto.


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 1:47:35 PM   
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All those are fine. As Guinea Pig has now come up, I wonder if anyone will go with Charlie Sheen's fave? 

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 1:50:37 PM   
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It riffing on Star Trek doesn't automatically make it a cult film. Star Trek films aren't even going to be allowed. If we did that then it'd put us at the point where we'd also have to include Star Wars/LotR etc. And it's not like it's the kind of film that's so close a parody that only hardcore fans will understand it. And it made nearly $100 million at the box office. I'm just not convinced that a Tim Allen/Sigourney Weaver mainstream comedy should class simply because it pays homage to Star Trek.



Fair enough, now I have to get rid of my list's #1 .

Can I check eligibility for Memento, The Orphanage and the Monty Python films?

EDIT: And Solaris/Stalker.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 1:54:31 PM   
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All those are fine. As Guinea Pig has now come up, I wonder if anyone will go with Charlie Sheen's fave? 


I'd love to know what drugs he was on to make him believe it was real.


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 2:05:27 PM   
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I'll offer cash money to his favourite charity if Rawlinson excludes Maddin

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 2:33:45 PM   
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All those are fine. As Guinea Pig has now come up, I wonder if anyone will go with Charlie Sheen's fave? 


I'd love to know what drugs he was on to make him believe it was real.



Are we still talking about guinea pig? It's funny how these things get changed as the last time I read about this urban myth the film was "August Underground"...


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 2:41:15 PM   
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what about Being John Malkovich?

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 2:55:54 PM   
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All those are fine. As Guinea Pig has now come up, I wonder if anyone will go with Charlie Sheen's fave? 


I'd love to know what drugs he was on to make him believe it was real.



Are we still talking about guinea pig? It's funny how these things get changed as the last time I read about this urban myth the film was "August Underground"...




Apparently Sheen was at a party in the early 90s where he saw Flower of Flesh and Blood and promptly called the FBI believing it was a real snuff film. Totally ridiculous though, for a low budget gore fest it's well done but obviously fake. As for August Underground every copy and print of that should be rounded up and shot into the sun.


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 2:58:07 PM   
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I'll offer cash money to his favourite charity if Rawlinson excludes Maddin


You're not a fan of Tarkovsky, Bergman or Maddin? Do you enjoy any good films?

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 3:17:57 PM   
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I meant it'll be a cold day in hell before Rawlinson doesn't let Maddin be included

And I do like some Maddin so . My Winnipeg was somewhere in the top 3 for that year for me.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 3:21:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rawlinson

All those are fine. As Guinea Pig has now come up, I wonder if anyone will go with Charlie Sheen's fave? 


I'd love to know what drugs he was on to make him believe it was real.



Are we still talking about guinea pig? It's funny how these things get changed as the last time I read about this urban myth the film was "August Underground"...




Apparently Sheen was at a party in the early 90s where he saw Flower of Flesh and Blood and promptly called the FBI believing it was a real snuff film. Totally ridiculous though, for a low budget gore fest it's well done but obviously fake. As for August Underground every copy and print of that should be rounded up and shot into the sun.





I've only seen "Mordum" of the trilogy but I'd imagine that the original will be oft credited as the starting point for the recent vogue for horror films to be all torture porn and fake snuff so from that point of view better not fire them at the sun just yet, they're historical documents .

(and Mordum is really quite tame I thought, they throw in all this filth in order to shock but because it's so half arsed/baked you just end up laughing at it)

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 3:56:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: garvielloken

quote:

ORIGINAL: Discodez

quote:

ORIGINAL: garvielloken

quote:

ORIGINAL: rawlinson

All those are fine. As Guinea Pig has now come up, I wonder if anyone will go with Charlie Sheen's fave? 


I'd love to know what drugs he was on to make him believe it was real.



Are we still talking about guinea pig? It's funny how these things get changed as the last time I read about this urban myth the film was "August Underground"...




Apparently Sheen was at a party in the early 90s where he saw Flower of Flesh and Blood and promptly called the FBI believing it was a real snuff film. Totally ridiculous though, for a low budget gore fest it's well done but obviously fake. As for August Underground every copy and print of that should be rounded up and shot into the sun.





I've only seen "Mordum" of the trilogy but I'd imagine that the original will be oft credited as the starting point for the recent vogue for horror films to be all torture porn and fake snuff so from that point of view better not fire them at the sun just yet, they're historical documents .

(and Mordum is really quite tame I thought, they throw in all this filth in order to shock but because it's so half arsed/baked you just end up laughing at it)


I guess my problem with stuff like AU is the way it's shot and the length of the film. With something like Flower of Flesh and Blood it's a slow build up and done in stages. First the victims hands are cut off, then arms, legs etc. Plus it never trys to drag it out and at 40 mins it feels like a short shock to the system. The same with something like Nacho Cerda's Aftermath. It's beautifully shot and it builds slowly into a burst of unrelenting depravity, and again it's just over 30 minutes which really helps it as anything longer and I think the viewer becomes bored and quickly desensitised.

With AU it's some guys with a really shaky camcorder and a decent special effects kit. They pretty much blow their load in the first few minutes and it gets unbelievably boring. After an hour or so I'm just thinking ok what else is new. Stuff like Aftermath or FOFAB feels like it was well crafted and that the film maker's were trying to at least slowly ramp up the violence until a big pay off, where as AU has the kind of juvenile attitude of trying to be as hardcore as possible for 70 mins without giving any thought whatsoever on the actual film making aspects.

I can't believe I'm actually debating the merits of Guinea Pig and Aftermath. For shame

So if I'm not allowed shoot AU into the sun can I at least shove every copy up Fred Vogel's arse one dvd at a time?


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 4:01:03 PM   
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I meant it'll be a cold day in hell before Rawlinson doesn't let Maddin be included

And I do like some Maddin so . My Winnipeg was somewhere in the top 3 for that year for me.


Ah, you do have some decent taste after all



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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 4:09:53 PM   
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So if I'm not allowed shoot AU into the sun can I least shove every copy up Fred Vogel's arse one dvd at a time?




 well I won't try and stop you...

Totally agree by the way... I've not seen Aftermath but did see FOFAB a while back and there is some dubious merit there, much more than Mordum at least, which like you put so well (and the point I was trying to make) is it's just juvenile and ultimately boring because of it.

I think probably the best Japanese film I've seen where the tension and then the violence ramp up so effectively is "Audition". From what I can only describe as the groaning sack scene onwards it's almost unbearable to watch.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 4:20:24 PM   
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So if I'm not allowed shoot AU into the sun can I least shove every copy up Fred Vogel's arse one dvd at a time?




 well I won't try and stop you...

Totally agree by the way... I've not seen Aftermath but did see FOFAB a while back and there is some dubious merit there, much more than Mordum at least, which like you put so well (and the point I was trying to make) is it's just juvenile and ultimately boring because of it.

I think probably the best Japanese film I've seen where the tension and then the violence ramp up so effectively is "Audition". From what I can only describe as the groaning sack scene onwards it's almost unbearable to watch.


That's a great example. Fantastic film and the feeling of psychological horror is perfectly juxtaposed with the physical violence near the end.


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 4:47:55 PM   
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Shorts are fine in general, but depends on what you want to nominate. Same with documentaries.



Shortswise, I was thinking along the lines of Rejected, Vincent, or Betty Boop in Minnie the Moocher. Not Bugs and his ilk.

Documentaries - I would say that Wiscosin Death Trip counts as cult, whilst Man on Wire/Supersize Me etc wouldn't.

Thanks for clearing some of the others up though (do we have a list of ones allowed/disallowed?). But just to be really annoying, I've got a couple more which I'm in two minds about:

Danny Boyle's Sunshine
The Proposistion
Strictly Ballroom
Memento
Zodiac
Local Hero (I doubt the last two count as cult to be honest, because both did well in general).

Also, everyone vote for A Town Called Panic.


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 26/1/2012 6:09:28 PM   
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What about Point Break, Team America World Police and Pitch Black?

Also what's your decision on Pulp Fiction, in or not?

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