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RE: Cult Films Poll - 24/1/2012 12:03:11 AM   
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I had a book once that listed Jaws as the best cult film of all time. Can I vote for that?


Already addressed - No Spielberg from Jaws on.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 24/1/2012 1:38:02 AM   
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What about Duck Soup? I've seen it in some cult lists.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 24/1/2012 2:50:28 AM   
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I had a book once that listed Jaws as the best cult film of all time. Can I vote for that?


Already addressed - No Spielberg from Jaws on.



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RE: Cult Films Poll - 24/1/2012 3:54:51 PM   
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What about Duck Soup? I've seen it in some cult lists.


Yeah, Duck Soup is fine.

Gim', I'll let 1941 in, yeah.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 24/1/2012 6:40:53 PM   
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http://www.listsofbests.com/list/84918-500-essential-cult-movies?page=1

Not everything there would be eligible, but it might give you all a few ideas.



That's muddied the waters even more for me. There are a few Hitchcock's on that list, I mean is Vertigo a cult film? There's also stuff like Dog Day Afternoon, The Conversation, Nightmare Before Christmas, An American Werewolf in London and Almost Famous there. I'd never personally considered any of them as cult myself. What say you?

Shawshank, Hedd Wyn and Reservoir Dogs are eligible right?

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 24/1/2012 7:02:41 PM   
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There's lot of good stuff in that list that I hadn't considered.

Harry, I'm not sure about Shawshank because it was Oscar nominated and then found widespread popularity on home video.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 24/1/2012 7:20:08 PM   
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There's lot of good stuff in that list that I hadn't considered.

Harry, I'm not sure about Shawshank because it was Oscar nominated and then found widespread popularity on home video.


But It bombed at the box office.

But yeah fair enough on the nom for Best Picture. Damnit.

Blade Runner has got to be eligible though.

I've got a shortlist of about 125 at the mo. Once I've reached 130 I'll start putting them in order and send in a top 100, leaving 30 as backups for the inevitable purging of the inelligible

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 24/1/2012 7:48:09 PM   
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Blade Runner has to be in,as it flopped at the box office,and also like Carpenters The Thing,critics gave it a panning.
Mad Max was very successful for a low budget film,but again panned by critics and never set the box office alight.And talking Ozzy films i take it Razorback,Roadgames,Wolf Creek and Thrist are ok.



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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 1:00:54 AM   
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Vertigo's fine. Took a long time before it got the current levels of acclaim.

The thing with a lot of the 70s films is that it was a very odd time where a lot more culty stuff was getting a bit more mainstream acclaim.

American Werewolf I'd say is fine. Same with Nightmare. Almost Famous wouldn't be. Unless someone has a good argument for it.

Hedd - Absolutely

Dogs - Yes. I'm unsure about Pulp Fiction though. It's one of those ones like 2001 where what the film actually is seems more important than the acclaim/box-office.

Shawshank - No. And not just because I loathe it. It takes more than disappointing box office to be cult.

Blade Runner is fine, as are all the Aussie films mentioned.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 1:14:29 AM   
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Cool. At this rate I should have a minimum list of 125. I might think it over a bit longer and see if I can't make it to 150. I got pissed off at the amount of films that came up which I hadn't voted for in the 80's list due to only doing a list of 25 so this time I'm taking my sweet time

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 1:18:48 AM   
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Well you have two months, and if you need to change your list after you send it then you can.

Btw, anyone who wants to vote for t.v. films, Trilogy of Terror and stuff like that, it's fine.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 1:25:40 AM   
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Rawlinson hates Shawshank and then has the nerve to call me joyless? Tsk.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 3:04:06 AM   
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The Princess Bride, is that culty enough? Watched it today is why I ask.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 11:57:47 AM   
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Another list of "cult" films to give people some ideas.

http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/the+new+cult+canon/

And I reckon Princess Bride counts, it's on my list.

EDIT: Can I have Fantasia?

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 12:28:31 PM   
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Fantasia has grossed $76.4 million in domestic revenue and is the 22nd highest-grossing film of all time in the U.S. when adjusted for inflation.[4


Some of these lists I've looked at seem to equate old with cult solely because a lot of modern film viewers don't watch much in the way of older films. I've gotten to the stage of not having a clue what the word means anymore!

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 12:30:48 PM   
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How is Blair Witch a cult film? It made a metric fuck ton of money during its cinema run.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 12:33:09 PM   
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Fantasia has grossed $76.4 million in domestic revenue and is the 22nd highest-grossing film of all time in the U.S. when adjusted for inflation.[4


Some of these lists I've looked at seem to equate old with cult solely because a lot of modern film viewers don't watch much in the way of older films. I've gotten to the stage of not having a clue what the word means anymore!


Ah. Fair enough!

I've tried to go for ones that weren't well recieved on release, (stuff like Freaks, Island of Lost Souls and Haxan) plus stuff that's got a massive following while not being massively successful (It's A Wonderful Life, Bedknobs and Broomsticks, Galaxy Quest). But it's tough as hell finding the middle ground.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 12:37:22 PM   
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How is Blair Witch a cult film? It made a metric fuck ton of money during its cinema run.


From the website the list comes from:

"Between the film's première as a buzzed-about midnight movie at Sundance in January and its official release in late July, the Blair Witch legend flourished on the website, which did nothing to suggest that the events described in that famous epigram weren't real. The classic campfire yarn of a centuries-old witch still haunting the woods outside a Maryland town gained instant urban-legend status well before most people saw the movie...It's funny to revisit The Blair Witch Project today, since it was such a product of its particular moment in time, like leg warmers or pet rocks. There was a groundswell of buzz and hype, leading to the bizarre spectacle of a no-budget indie doing blockbuster business, and then the comedown that all movies experience once they hit video and sit on the shelf for a while. It was a movie that captured the public's imagination briefly, yet I'm not convinced it's faded entirely into the woodwork—not when faux-doc fictions like Cloverfield and the upcoming Quarantine continue to spin off its original innovation. In the cult spectrum, I'd happily file it next to Carnival Of Souls, another creepy cinematic one-off that came out of nowhere, cost nothing, and quickly deposited its makers back into obscurity."

I can see the argument, and it'll probably make it onto my list, but I can understand if it gets disallowed

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 12:38:23 PM   
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But can initial reaction really be used in isolation? Something like It's a Wonderful Life wasn't discovered by a few - it became known by constant reruns on TV for everyone and was a favourite of the masses, not the few. Heck, my mum got it this Xmas and she's as far from cult film as you could find


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 12:40:55 PM   
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How is Blair Witch a cult film? It made a metric fuck ton of money during its cinema run.


From the website the list comes from:

"Between the film's première as a buzzed-about midnight movie at Sundance in January and its official release in late July, the Blair Witch legend flourished on the website, which did nothing to suggest that the events described in that famous epigram weren't real. The classic campfire yarn of a centuries-old witch still haunting the woods outside a Maryland town gained instant urban-legend status well before most people saw the movie...It's funny to revisit The Blair Witch Project today, since it was such a product of its particular moment in time, like leg warmers or pet rocks. There was a groundswell of buzz and hype, leading to the bizarre spectacle of a no-budget indie doing blockbuster business, and then the comedown that all movies experience once they hit video and sit on the shelf for a while. It was a movie that captured the public's imagination briefly, yet I'm not convinced it's faded entirely into the woodwork—not when faux-doc fictions like Cloverfield and the upcoming Quarantine continue to spin off its original innovation. In the cult spectrum, I'd happily file it next to Carnival Of Souls, another creepy cinematic one-off that came out of nowhere, cost nothing, and quickly deposited its makers back into obscurity."

I can see the argument, and it'll probably make it onto my list, but I can understand if it gets disallowed


Doesn't that argument imply any surpise hit can be called a cult even if it makes billions? Ditto Monstercat - Blair Witch was a massive cinema hit in this country on release, sold out cinemas packed to the gills with people going for the phenomenon, even those who didn't normally go to horror. I doubt most of them bothered with the viral stuff, the websites etc - they just went to see a popular and talked about film.


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 12:43:18 PM   
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It's A Wonderful Life is a grey area, but I think its initial failure and eventual discovery makes it cult in the same way Shawshank or Donnie Darko is. Hell, stuff from the last few years that's cult now (Where the Wild Things Are springs to mind) may well be as well known as Shawshank over the next few years. We've already allowed stuff like Reservoir Dogs, and that's hardly obscure these days.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 12:46:36 PM   
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How is Blair Witch a cult film? It made a metric fuck ton of money during its cinema run.


From the website the list comes from:

"Between the film's première as a buzzed-about midnight movie at Sundance in January and its official release in late July, the Blair Witch legend flourished on the website, which did nothing to suggest that the events described in that famous epigram weren't real. The classic campfire yarn of a centuries-old witch still haunting the woods outside a Maryland town gained instant urban-legend status well before most people saw the movie...It's funny to revisit The Blair Witch Project today, since it was such a product of its particular moment in time, like leg warmers or pet rocks. There was a groundswell of buzz and hype, leading to the bizarre spectacle of a no-budget indie doing blockbuster business, and then the comedown that all movies experience once they hit video and sit on the shelf for a while. It was a movie that captured the public's imagination briefly, yet I'm not convinced it's faded entirely into the woodwork—not when faux-doc fictions like Cloverfield and the upcoming Quarantine continue to spin off its original innovation. In the cult spectrum, I'd happily file it next to Carnival Of Souls, another creepy cinematic one-off that came out of nowhere, cost nothing, and quickly deposited its makers back into obscurity."

I can see the argument, and it'll probably make it onto my list, but I can understand if it gets disallowed


Doesn't that argument imply any surpise hit can be called a cult even if it makes billions? Ditto Monstercat - Blair Witch was a massive cinema hit in this country on release, sold out cinemas packed to the gills with people going for the phenomenon, even those who didn't normally go to horror. I doubt most of them bothered with the viral stuff, the websites etc - they just went to see a popular and talked about film.



Yeah, I can see both sides here, and won't object if it gets disallowed.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 12:48:06 PM   
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It wasn't a fanbase that discovered it though - it was a cheap prospect out of copyright that was put into network TV rotation and forcefed to millions. Shawshank was a sleeper video hit - is that the same as cult?

Here's another slightly tongueincheek query - Donnie Darko produced a Xmas No 1. Does that make a difference?


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 12:50:43 PM   
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Yeah, I can see both sides here, and won't object if it gets disallowed.


I've no idea about disallowed - it just all contributes to my not having a clue what cult is. The blurb in the quote is talking about innovative marketing strategies - you could say there is a direct line of responsibility from Blair Witch to Lost, as well.

The film has a lot to answer for


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 12:51:43 PM   
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It wasn't a fanbase that discovered it though - it was a cheap prospect out of copyright that was put into network TV rotation and forcefed to millions. Shawshank was a sleeper video hit - is that the same as cult?

Here's another slightly tongueincheek query - Donnie Darko produced a Xmas No 1. Does that make a difference?



That's what I was thinking when I suggested it up thread. But like MonsterCat pointed out it received a best picture nomination so doesn't meet the criteria set by Rawlinson. I bet that criteria was put in place specifically to fuck Shawshank's chances up

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 12:54:43 PM   
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It wasn't a fanbase that discovered it though - it was a cheap prospect out of copyright that was put into network TV rotation and forcefed to millions. Shawshank was a sleeper video hit - is that the same as cult?

Here's another slightly tongueincheek query - Donnie Darko produced a Xmas No 1. Does that make a difference?



Several X-Factor winners have, have you heard from them lately?

More seriously, while it wasn't a fanbase that discovered IAWL, there must have been some kind of word of mouth that it's actually really good that kept it in the limelight-if there wasn't that drive, it would have been put out of circulation because of low viewing figures. But I don't know, so you could well be right. There's no reason that "cult" can't equal "sleeper hit later"-that's what happened to stuff like Tron and Rocky Horror, which are culty as hell.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 12:57:02 PM   
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But it was also cheap - only residual story rights. It's the same as Great Escape and Wizard of Oz when we were kids - it was just on every Xmas, no matter what. Harder to find those two now round Xmas - hidden in afternoons on different days or not on the main terrestrial channels. Times have changed


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 2:07:24 PM   
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There's a real danger of this list turning into one that's filled with beloved films that are being voted for simply because they didn't make much money on their initial release. That's not what this should be about. You have to look at other things, nature of the film, cultural impact, etc. Take Shawshank. It underperformed at the box office on the initial release, but it's crossed over to the mainstream to become a beloved film for a large number of people who aren't film fanatics. In terms of the film itself, it's a sentimental buddy movie at heart. There's very little that's cult about it.

Same goes with It's a Wonderful Life. Everyone knows this film. It's one of the most adored films of all time. It's not a cult film.

Huge box office will rule out a film that has obvious mainstream appeal and some cult elements (Terminator 2, Jaws, Back to the Future, etc) But it won't rule in a film that's not really culty, but didn't make a lot of money. Otherwise we'd be taking votes for pretty much anything. You have to look at the film itself and simply use huge box office/Oscar films as a guide for how far it's penetrated the mainstream.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 5:35:28 PM   
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There's a real danger of this list turning into one that's filled with beloved films that are being voted for simply because they didn't make much money on their initial release. That's not what this should be about. You have to look at other things, nature of the film, cultural impact, etc. Take Shawshank. It underperformed at the box office on the initial release, but it's crossed over to the mainstream to become a beloved film for a large number of people who aren't film fanatics. In terms of the film itself, it's a sentimental buddy movie at heart. There's very little that's cult about it.

Same goes with It's a Wonderful Life. Everyone knows this film. It's one of the most adored films of all time. It's not a cult film.

Huge box office will rule out a film that has obvious mainstream appeal and some cult elements (Terminator 2, Jaws, Back to the Future, etc) But it won't rule in a film that's not really culty, but didn't make a lot of money. Otherwise we'd be taking votes for pretty much anything. You have to look at the film itself and simply use huge box office/Oscar films as a guide for how far it's penetrated the mainstream.


May i be of some help mate,as most know The Weird/Strange thread is aimed at this sort of film,but here's a description;
Often, cult movies have failed to achieve fame outside the small fanbases; however, there have been exceptions that have managed to gain fame among mainstream audiences. Many cult movies have gone on to transcend their original cult status and have become recognized as classics; others are of the "so bad it's good" variety and are destined to remain in obscurity. Cult films often become the source of a thriving, obsessive, and elaborate subculture of fandom, hence the analogy to cults. However, not every film with a devoted fanbase is necessarily a cult film. Usually, cult films have limited but very special, noted appeal. Cult films are often known to be eccentric, often do not follow traditional standards of mainstream cinema and usually explore topics not considered in any way mainstream—yet there are examples that are relatively normal. Many are often considered controversial because they step outside standard narrative and technical conventions.
Also of help is this website; http://www.filmsite.org/cultfilms.html
Hope this clears up some of the confusion that cult films seem to cause.



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RE: Cult Films Poll - 25/1/2012 6:06:51 PM   
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