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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 23/4/2012 11:01:44 PM   
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Lolita - Although in my defense I, er.........................ah, forget it. At least I'm not the only person who watched and liked it apparently.


It's a really good film, and weird because the title sums it up perfectly, but it's also nowhere near as salacious as it makes it sound.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 10:20:33 AM   
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I like the Usual Suspects a lot. Wouldnt class it as cult either though.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 10:37:36 AM   
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I like the Usual Suspects a lot. Wouldnt class it as cult either though.


I'm going to be honest and say that it shouldn't have made my final list either, I put that in early on when I was struggling to complete my list (and I'd seen it on a few other cult lists online) and I thought I'd edited it out before I sent it. Apparently not.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 10:46:47 AM   
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In fairness I'm not sure I could put together a cult film list. I don't see anywhere enough of them if truth be told.

Having said that I've got a free night tonight as the missus is going out to watch New Kids On The Block. Might finally sit down and watch Black Swan.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 1:33:12 PM   
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The Descent - Excellent. The only good film that Marshall has made so far.



This is why you're cooler than Rawlinson.


Normally he has good taste but then he ruins it all by shitting on films like The Descent and Aliens. Craziness.


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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 1:40:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: garvielloken

Lolita - Although in my defense I, er.........................ah, forget it. At least I'm not the only person who watched and liked it apparently.


It's a really good film, and weird because the title sums it up perfectly, but it's also nowhere near as salacious as it makes it sound.




What I want to know is, how do you even go about getting a film like this. Asking the staff at the local HMV, you'd probably get kicked out



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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 1:56:04 PM   
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My copy is actually a dvd r made from the original Japanese vhs. I don't think it's ever been released offically on dvd anywhere.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 2:43:24 PM   
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Lolita - Although in my defense I, er.........................ah, forget it. At least I'm not the only person who watched and liked it apparently.


It's a really good film, and weird because the title sums it up perfectly, but it's also nowhere near as salacious as it makes it sound.




What I want to know is, how do you even go about getting a film like this. Asking the staff at the local HMV, you'd probably get kicked out




I love the fact you think Lolita Vibrator Torture might be available at HMV.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 4:10:24 PM   
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Glad to see there's a few more films I've heard of now..

The Usual Suspects is a genuine cult classic. After seeing it the first time and buying the VHS on the day it came out (didn't have one of those new fangled DVD player thingies at the time, too expensive ) I must have played it to everyone I could, friends, family, workmates and I used to love seeing their reaction at the end. I also got into the habbit of watching the film and never taking my eyes off Spacey. If you've not done so before please do this, just watch him & forget everything else, it's a brilliant experience, you suddenly notice all these brief facial tics, smirks, rolls of eyes etc that let you know he's spinning a yarn the whole time (but that you never spotted the first time you watched) it's a masterclass in film acting.

And one other thing. Duck Soup? Cult? Really?

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 4:24:58 PM   
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I'd argue Duck Soup is far more a cult choice than The Usual Suspects. The film wasn't a hit either financially or critically on release. It wasn't a box office bomb, but it was a downswing from what was expected of them. The film was the end of the Marx Brothers' working with Paramount. It took about 30 years for the film to get any kind of critical reassessment. Even now, it's not a film you really hear talked about. Certainly not on the level of some of the films from their contemporaries.

The Usual Suspects made back four times its budget, it was a huge critical hit, two time Oscar winner, and big Oscars as well. Especially on a site like Empire, The Usual Supects is one of those huge fanboy films. Look at something like the imdb top 250. It's sitting at number 25. It's just one of those films that became such a part of the culture after its release that I can't see it as a cult choice. Same as something like Se7en, Pulp Fiction, or Shaun of the Dead. They became such a part of film geek culture that I can't personally see them as cult choices.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 4:37:30 PM   
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I'd argue Shaun of the Dead is cult, it wasn't a big hit in cinemas (I think it was outgrossed by the Dawn remake over here) and gained a following from there. Se7en, Usual Suspects and Pulp Fiction were all box office and awards darlings, whereas Shaun wasn't. It helps that zombies seem to be an "in" thing in terms of current pop-culture, it could have been rubbish and some nerds would still worship it!

Regarding geek culture, surely stuff such as Halloween, Brazil and Monty Python are just as significant, and nobody questions their cult status.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 4:53:28 PM   
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I'd argue Shaun of the Dead is cult, it wasn't a big hit in cinemas (I think it was outgrossed by the Dawn remake over here) and gained a following from there.


Shaun was a fairly big hit, both here and America, and I'm fairly sure it was a hit on a limited release. It was a huge critical success as well. And it also had the fanboy following built in because it was the Spaced reunion everyone was waiting for.

The difference I'd argue with the likes of Brazil, Halloween, etc is that they were pre-internet, so there was less of an organised/immediate acclaim. Take Monty Python for example. The cult comes from the series before the films, and the series was a genuine word of mouth hit. You couldn't record episodes to watch back, you couldn't catch them online, you had to see them when they were aired or wait and hope for a repeat. And that's what fed into the film releases. Brazil had a tortured history that adds to the cult status. Halloween was another genuine word of mouth hit, it was just lucky really in that it was the indie horror that broke out huge, because there were so many American indie horrors made in that decade, Halloween was the one that really captured the public imagination. It was also still more difficult to see most of these films at their original release, because if you didn't see them in the cinema you had to wait for a video release, and not everyone had video players in the early 80s. And even later than that, it was still really difficult to see some of these films. I remember waiting years to see Life of Brian. I think I was about 15/16 when I finally got to see it, and I'd spent years trying to get a video copy but nowhere had it for sale. The access wasn't there for a lot of these films.

By the time the mid 90s had come around, being a film geek had become more mainstream. And that's a lot of what magazines like Empire thrived on. These were the people who grew up with Star Wars and Spielberg and you had a generation of geeks taking more control over film culture. I remember the releases of films like Se7en and Pulp Fiction and they were films you just had to see because they were going to be so fucking cool. I think it's that factor, that everyone knew about them and you just had to see them, that makes them more a part of the more mainstream geekery that had emerged, rather than those other films that came about more through discovery over a period of time.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 5:02:20 PM   
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Apparently, Shaun made $13m in the US and $16m elsewhere, which I guess makes it something of a success, but only due to the limited release. The points about film geekery becoming both more popular and easier is fair enough, but doesn't that mean that you can't really have a cult film nowadays? I can imagine that pre-Internet something like The Raid would be cult, but now there's loads of interest in it pre-release due to it being easier to find out about upcoming niche films.

I'll admit I'm not very knowledgeable in this area, as I've only got into films in a big way post-internet, so I can't imagine the concept of classics being flat-out unavailable.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 5:15:36 PM   
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No, I think you can have a cult film, in the same way that you always could, films slip through the wider net and get smaller groups of people telling everyone they should check it out. I think the horrendous mismarketing of Scott Pilgrim makes it more of a cult film than Shaun, for example. Because a lot of the target audience missed it at the cinema because they didn't know what to expect. I'd also say a film like Hobo with a Shotgun, because while it got a lot of support, it were coming more from cult communities and there wasn't that feel of OMGEVERYONEHASTOSEETHIS that there was with something like Shaun. I'd say the same for films like Kill List, Troll Hunter, Rare Exports, etc. They got acclaim and they got a lot of love, but that all encompassing feeling wasn't there.

Of course, a lot of this could be based on the fact that I was in my mid teens when films like Pulp Fiction were released and I was always a little hipster douche and so everyone I knew would be saying OMFGYOUHAVETOSEEPULPFICTION!

With that acknowledged, I think there's a difference between pockets of fans being really hardcore about waiting for a film, and having a film that crosses over wider than that. Like if it had gone differently, Inglourious Basterds could have been a cult film, but it crossed over so much that I'd have difficulty seeing it as that. Same with something like Avatar. It hit a more acceptable face of geekdom.

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I'll admit I'm not very knowledgeable in this area, as I've only got into films in a big way post-internet, so I can't imagine the concept of classics being flat-out unavailable.


I had a really cool local video shop that rented older titles for 50p a time and they kept all their back stock. So I got to see a lot of stuff that I wouldn't have had the opportunity to see otherwise, but beyond that it was a nightmare. And not just for films, for music, music videos, everything like that. I saw Up in Smoke on C4's drug night back in the 90s, same as I saw Comic Book Confidential on their comics night, and I had to wait until I had a R1 dvd player before I saw either again.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 5:17:39 PM   
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One thing I will add, if you grew up after the explosion of little independent video rental shops, then you missed something really special. Even with the unavailability of classics. I actually wrote an article on just how damn important they were to me.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 5:45:14 PM   
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That seems fair enough, though I reckon Scott Pilgrim is on about the same level of fame as Shaun-its box-office failure made it pretty notorious.

I had a local video shop in the village I grew up in that sadly went out of business about five or so years back. It had its share of cool stuff, but it mostly stocked easy-to-obtain-otherwise films. Still found a few gems there in my youth I wouldn't have checked out otherwise, and the chap who ran it turned a blind eye to young 'uns renting 15s .

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 5:59:38 PM   
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My local video shop had a huge back catalogue of lesser known (at the time) films. Stuff like Hard Boiled, Tetsuo 1 and 2 double pack, The Church, lots of David Lynch, some Jean Rollin stuff and even a pre cert video of Straw Dogs while it was still banned. Even better, they had a deal where you could rent five titles for about seven quid and hold onto them for a week. I spent many a weekend marathoning weird and cult films. God I miss those days.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 6:32:01 PM   
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Of course, a lot of this could be based on the fact that I was in my mid teens when films like Pulp Fiction were released and I was always a little hipster douche and so everyone I knew would be saying OMFGYOUHAVETOSEEPULPFICTION!



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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 7:34:03 PM   
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I had a local video shop in the village I grew up in that sadly went out of business about five or so years back. It had its share of cool stuff, but it mostly stocked easy-to-obtain-otherwise films. Still found a few gems there in my youth I wouldn't have checked out otherwise, and the chap who ran it turned a blind eye to young 'uns renting 15s .



I got 18s from mine.

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a pre cert video of Straw Dogs while it was still banned.


Video vans used to do that a lot. My original pre-cert of Last House came from a video van owner.

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Yes, I was a little hipster douche. Now I'm a bigger hipster.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 11:28:05 PM   
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Forgot The Elephant Man, it's probably my favourite Lynch.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 11:42:03 PM   
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I was really impressed with Triangle. A really smart flick.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 11:42:55 PM   
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I like Triangle, but it's quite similar to Timecrimes, which came out about a year before it and was the better film, I think.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 24/4/2012 11:43:00 PM   
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Triangle's a fantastic little horror, I hope this encourages more people to see it!

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 25/4/2012 12:40:16 AM   
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The Elephant Man - great performance by Hurt, wonderful music and looks amazing.

Slap Shot sounds cool.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 25/4/2012 7:28:36 AM   
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I love the fact you think Lolita Vibrator Torture might be available at HMV.




I know it isn't, but asking of a film at the main high street retailer for films makes sense, doesn't it? It'd be worth it just to see the looks given

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 25/4/2012 3:12:47 PM   
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I love the fact you think Lolita Vibrator Torture might be available at HMV.




I know it isn't, but asking of a film at the main high street retailer for films makes sense, doesn't it? It'd be worth it just to see the looks given


I haven't bought anything in HMV in years. I feel bad about the death of the high street, but HMV were asking people to hand over their wallets, their souls and be ass-fucked over the counter in return for a dvd before the credit crunch.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 25/4/2012 3:52:29 PM   
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I really liked Triangle, but forgot to include it as I'd, well, forgotten about it. Never heard of Time Crimes before. It's a whick title though, sounds like an early 90s sci fi thriller starring Van Damm or someone of similar calibre.

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 25/4/2012 4:10:44 PM   
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It's more like an overlong anthology show episode - there was another Spanish genre type film out about the same time that had the same problem, although Time Crimes was by far the best of the two. Film 4 have it on their roster so it might turn up on TV again. 

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 25/4/2012 4:13:03 PM   
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Also, congrats to Rebel Scum for The Descent vote 

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RE: Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 25/4/2012 4:36:43 PM   
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I love the fact you think Lolita Vibrator Torture might be available at HMV.




I know it isn't, but asking of a film at the main high street retailer for films makes sense, doesn't it? It'd be worth it just to see the looks given


I haven't bought anything in HMV in years. I feel bad about the death of the high street, but HMV were asking people to hand over their wallets, their souls and be ass-fucked over the counter in return for a dvd before the credit crunch.



Some of the best bargains I've ever had have been in HMV. The closest one to me was about 1/2 hour away and it's now closed. Makes me sad


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