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Cult Films Poll: Discussion Thread - 23/1/2012 4:17:25 PM   
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Poll time again, this time I want you to vote for your favourite cult films of all time. Lists of 25/50/100 as usual. I'll edit in the email address later. Because there's obviously debate about what makes a film a cult film, I've decided to lay down a few stricter ground rules for this one.

1. Any major commercial success is not a cult film and can't be voted for here. It may have a section of its fanbase that has grown into a devoted cult, but Harry Potter films (for example) are huge mainstream hits. They are not cult films.

2. If it got an Oscar nomination for best picture, it's penetrated the mainstream to the extent that it's not going to be eligible here. I am willing to make exceptions though for rare cases. If there's anything you strongly feel ought to be in the list then let me know.

So while the Adam West Batman film is a cult film, The Dark Knight isn't. You can vote for the Bakshi Lord of the Rings, but not the Jackson. If there's anything you're uncertain about, ask on thread.

Let's give this two months - deadline 23rd March.

Email - empirecults@hotmail.co.uk

List of eligible/ineligible films

In

Rocky Horror
Brazil
Predator
Eternal Sunshine
The Thing
The Fog
Ringu
A Clockwork Orange
Commando
2001
The work of Malick
Children of Men
Labyrinth
Enter the Dragon
All Gilliam
All the Coens except those listed on the ineligible list
Paprika
Spinal Tap
Black Dynamite
Picnic at Hanging Rock
Grosse Point Blank
Swimming with Sharks
Dr. Strangelove
The burbs
Return to Oz
Angel Heart
The Wall
Inland Empire
Ghibli
Delicatessen
City of Lost Children
Antichrist
Last House on the Left
I Spit on Your Grave
Robocop
Running Man
Total Recall
Wes Anderson

Out

Alien series
Airplane!
No Country for Old Men
True Grit
Fargo
Truman Show
City of God
Glengarry Glen Ross
Groundhog Day
Lost in Translation
Spielberg from Jaws on
Back to the Future series
The Commitments
Midnight Express
Mississippi Burning
Amelie


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 4:19:37 PM   
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May as well put this here too: http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 4:25:25 PM   
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Thanks, was just going to copy that link here myself.  That list is a general guideline for films that wouldn't be eligible, but there are some on there that can still be voted for. Like Rocky Horror, whose huge success came from the midnight screenings rather than from an initial massive box-office hit.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 4:27:32 PM   
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Is it worth giving a box-office cut off for what counts as a "commercial success", or is it just general disgression?

Still sounds good to me, I'll try compiling a list.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 4:36:58 PM   
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Is it worth giving a box-office cut off for what counts as a "commercial success", or is it just general disgression?

Still sounds good to me, I'll try compiling a list.


I think it's going to have to come down to the film in question. The cut-off point is so difficult to come to an acceptable figure. Plus, there'll be oddities in there that got successful after the initial release. I think common sense will apply to most films though.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 4:44:39 PM   
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Does Brazil qualify as a cult film?

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 4:47:05 PM   
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I hope so, it's on my preliminary list.

Also, a few I'll ask about while I'm here-do
Alien/s
Predator
Airplane!
Eternal Sunshine
Ringu
The Thing/The Fog

Count?

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 4:47:08 PM   
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Yeah, Brazil is fine.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 4:53:37 PM   
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I hope so, it's on my preliminary list.

Also, a few I'll ask about while I'm here-do
Alien/s
Predator
Airplane!
Eternal Sunshine
Ringu
The Thing/The Fog

Count?


The Thing and The Fog are ok
Alien/Aliens were huge, so definitely out.
Airplane! was also huge, so that's out.
Ringu should be ok.
Eternal Sunshine I'm ok with.
Predator I'm not sure about. Wasn't that a huge hit?

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 4:57:08 PM   
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Predator I'm not sure about. Wasn't that a huge hit?



Box Office Mojo says just under $100m worldwide, which I guess is too much.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 5:06:13 PM   
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I don't know. I'm trying not to be too inflexible with the rules. Like I'm thinking of making a few exceptions to the Oscar rule, because something like A Clockwork Orange is definitely a cult film and the list would seem strange with it being ineligible. So with Arnie, I'd say the majority of his output is definitely not in the cult film category, but something like Commando definitely is a cult film. Predator kind of sits in that inbetween category for me. Unless there's any major objections, I'm willing to allow it.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 5:20:40 PM   
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What would the status of 2001: A Space Odyssey and Malick's films be?


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 5:26:35 PM   
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Most of Malick's films are fine. The Thin Red Line would probably fall into the exception to the Oscar rule category if people wanted to vote for it. 2001 would be fine under the Oscar rule, but wasn't it a massive hit?

Edit - Yep, biggest grossing film of 1968.


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 5:33:31 PM   
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Ok, so I'm willing to be flexible when it comes to both the initial rules. Looking at them more as guidelines with some obvious exceptions to the rules. But what does everyone think about a film like 2001? Regardless of if you like the film or not, it was a huge hit, should that rule it out despite the fact that it is commonly regarded as one of the cornerstones of cult cinema? I'm willing to go with general opinion. Or maybe just do like I usually do and say vote for it and if enough people agree it belongs on the list then it'll get in.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 5:35:04 PM   
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I would accept 2001, it left too much of an influence on cult films on the whole. Didn't The Thin Red Line flop domestically though? It took some time before it got its money back WW. Similarly with Tree of Life actually.

Oh, and of course, I imagine Children of Men being available for this poll is obvious. 

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 5:42:10 PM   
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The Children of Men thing is not a joke btw, I'm serious. Srsly. 

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 5:43:19 PM   
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Yeah, the influence of 2001 does seem to outweigh the money it made. Also, it was a weird time.

And yes, everyone's favourite Mexican film is fine.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 5:56:19 PM   
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Is Labyrinth a cult film? I'd say it is.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 6:07:41 PM   
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You're meant to email the list. 

And Labyrinth is fine, Reb'.

Oh god. Kevin Smith.
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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 6:11:17 PM   
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You're meant to email the list. 



Just wanted you folks to marvel at my awesome taste in film.


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Oh god. Kevin Smith.



The exact same words I use when I masturbate to his films.



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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 6:24:01 PM   
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Yeah, Brazil is fine.


Is there any of Gilliam's work that wouldn't be eligible for this list?

What about Bruce Lee, everything but Enter the Dragon?

Which Coen films are eligible?

Also I'd like clarification on the following before I start compliling my list.

Truman Show
Paprika
City of God
Glengarry Glen Ross
Groundhog Day
Lost in Translation
Spinal Tap

Sorry to be a monumental pain in the ass, it's just that cult is hard to define.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 6:26:15 PM   
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Just Googled cult film and Total Film seem to think that Mamma Mia falls under that banner. lolwut.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 6:27:12 PM   
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Surely that's a typo.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 6:30:18 PM   
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Looking at your sig reminded me of Black DY-NO-MITE!

Shirley that's a cult film.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 6:33:45 PM   
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It's going on my list fo sho.

Edit: What in the name of fuck has happened to my avatar?

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 6:35:59 PM   
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I think everything from Gilliam is fine.

Enter the Dragon - I still think classes as cult, despite the money it made.

Coens - I'll get back to you on that for definite, but I think the three big Oscar films - No Country, True Grit and Fargo, should probably be out. I'm more open on A Serious Man, simply because of the nature of the film. Other than that I think they're all ok.

Truman Show - Huge hit. It's something I'd say should be out. It's basically a high-concept comedy drama from a hugely respected director and big name star.

Paprika - Ok

City of God - Not sure. Wasn't it a fairly big hit for a foreign language film? It's not something I'd ever considered as a cult film, but if people feel it should be in then I'm ok with it.

Glengarry - Again, not something I ever saw as a cult film.

Groundhog - Sadly not, far too big a hit on initial release.

Lost in Translation - Again massive hit, especially for how much it cost.

Spinal Tap - Yeah, Tap is fine.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 6:36:39 PM   
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Just Googled cult film and Total Film seem to think that Mamma Mia falls under that banner. lolwut.


Sure they said cult?

Damnit Harry stealing my jokes before I had chance to make them.


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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 6:37:31 PM   
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And yeah, Black Dynamite is fine.

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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 6:40:39 PM   
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RE: Cult Films Poll - 23/1/2012 6:43:03 PM   
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Yeah. And The Last Wave, The Plumber, etc. 

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