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PM Demands More Mainstream Filmmaking - 11/1/2012 11:09:21 AM   
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Absolute rubbish! - 11/1/2012 11:09:21 AM   
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What an idiot Cameron is. Yes directors should "aim higher" but that is aim at higher ARTISTIC achievements not just box office numbers. My God, if he had his way we'd be in a world where a fantastic film like Hunger would never be made and we'd be even more swamped with moronic multiplex fodder than we already are. It's not just a business, its an art form too! One that should challenge and be thought provoking as well as be entertaining. If film makers only focus on the money well that would kill the soul of great cinema. Where would British film makers like Loach, Leigh, Greenaway, Jarman etc be in Cameron's world? Not to mention more successful film makers like Boyle and Minghella who didn't exactly start producing blockbusters. Cameron would happily replace these troublesome artistic types with Brett Ratner clones. So depressing.

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- 11/1/2012 11:25:43 AM   
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Brian Epstein once sat in on a Beatles recording session and had the temerity to make suggestions. John Lennon said something along the lines of, "You count the money and let us make the music" - which is what someone needs to tell Cameron. Twat.


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- 11/1/2012 11:26:18 AM   
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Brian Epstein once sat in on a Beatles recording session and had the temerity to make suggestions. John Lennon said something along the lines of, "You count the money and let us make the music" - which is what someone needs to tell Cameron. Twat.


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loach is... - 11/1/2012 11:29:36 AM   
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..despite one of his usual 'oooh look how socialist I am' rants..completely correct
If films are only being made with to be 'mainstream' a good 80% of the films we've made that HAVE become commercially successful and to an extent mainstream (Kings Speech, This is England, Trainspotting etc) simply wouldn't have got made
...and I thought Stewart Lee was just being a dick when he said 'the Tories are the natural enemy of Art'...seems like he has a bit of a point

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What a douche - 11/1/2012 11:38:36 AM   
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Just when you thought you couldn't hate this man any more he opens his ill informed mouth about the UK film industry. Movies should NOT be made just for the purpose of making millions,if they do so however fair play but that should not be the sole incentive. In fact, this is whats wrong with Hollywood right now, it's all about the opening weekend and little else, this is why movies are in such a dire state. Movies should be made because directors/screenwrites/producers have a wonderful story to tell, they should be made to enlighten, to ignite the soul and to entertain, not just be an artistically and morally bankrupt cash cow

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- 11/1/2012 11:44:38 AM   
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I agree with everything Ken Loach is saying...David Cameron & his government should not have got rid of the UK Film Council...& it's nice that pretty much every film that comes from the UK & filmed in the UK & made in the UK rivals Hollywood with it's trashy "mainstream" films that does not rival anything we make over here. honestly I prefer films with integrity & that entails everything made over here...with the tiniest percentage coming from Hollywood...we can do big blockbusters..we can do small indie films...but both is done with a clear function on making it good, not mediocre & features the FRANCHISE...aside from Harry Potter...but that was based on books...so long story short...piss off Cameron lol

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RE: Tory Twat - 11/1/2012 11:54:26 AM   
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Who the fuck does posh boy Cameron think he is dictating to a film industry his government have already cut funding to? He would probably love it if all we got were more films about Thatcher and the Queen.

Cunt.

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Can anyone BE that f*cking stupid?! - 11/1/2012 12:01:34 PM   
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The death of the Film Council exposed just how WRONGLY the money put into British films is being distributed. Mr. Cameron, you need to look at your OWN contribution first. Get the money into the right hands and give UK filmmakers some bl**dy tax breaks! That way, they can actually make the films they WANT to make and not just the ones they can AFFORD to make. Not that UK filmmakers are innocent: commercial success means GENRE. Ken Loach is great, but he's happy on the fringes. In this respect the PM is actually correct. We need more Chris Nolans and less Mike Leighs. You don't have to 'sell out' to gain an audience, you just have to give a sh*t about what they want and then do your best to surprise and enlighten them. Entertainment doesn't have to be a dirty word and nobody will think less of you if you make a few quid on the way.

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RE: Tory Twat - 11/1/2012 12:19:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Spaldron

Who the fuck does posh boy Cameron think he is dictating to a film industry his government have already cut funding to? He would probably love it if all we got were more films about Thatcher and the Queen.

Cunt.


Buy a packet of crusty white rolls and throw it at the system, Spaldron.

But yeah, I see were you're coming from.


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Sorry, but he has a point - 11/1/2012 12:31:10 PM   
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I'm not political, but I think he has a point. Britain is very good at costume drama, posh romcom and gritty drama, and that's about it. It's as predictable as Hollywood making no brain action fests.

A friend complanied how anytime Brits are depicted in Hollywood warfilms they are always inferior to the Americans, well we can't expect the Americans to make us the heroes in their films. Surely we could make a film as good as Brave Heart or Private Ryan only telling things from our point of view?

I think a lot of it is our global success in theatre, this means that there's a feeling that every film has to be "worthy" or "challenging" like the best theatre and some times it works very well but why can't we have some fun too? A lot of our best directors go overseas and make intelligent big budget films- Chris Nolan, Ridley Scott so we can do it, how about a Doctor Who movie anyone?

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Sorry, but he has a point - 11/1/2012 12:31:23 PM   
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I'm not political, but I think he has a point. Britain is very good at costume drama, posh romcom and gritty drama, and that's about it. It's as predictable as Hollywood making no brain action fests.

A friend complanied how anytime Brits are depicted in Hollywood warfilms they are always inferior to the Americans, well we can't expect the Americans to make us the heroes in their films. Surely we could make a film as good as Brave Heart or Private Ryan only telling things from our point of view?

I think a lot of it is our global success in theatre, this means that there's a feeling that every film has to be "worthy" or "challenging" like the best theatre and some times it works very well but why can't we have some fun too? A lot of our best directors go overseas and make intelligent big budget films- Chris Nolan, Ridley Scott so we can do it, how about a Doctor Who movie anyone?

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RE: Sorry, but he has a point - 11/1/2012 12:50:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: twiddle

I'm not political, but I think he has a point. Britain is very good at costume drama, posh romcom and gritty drama, and that's about it. It's as predictable as Hollywood making no brain action fests.

A friend complanied how anytime Brits are depicted in Hollywood warfilms they are always inferior to the Americans, well we can't expect the Americans to make us the heroes in their films. Surely we could make a film as good as Brave Heart or Private Ryan only telling things from our point of view?

I think a lot of it is our global success in theatre, this means that there's a feeling that every film has to be "worthy" or "challenging" like the best theatre and some times it works very well but why can't we have some fun too? A lot of our best directors go overseas and make intelligent big budget films- Chris Nolan, Ridley Scott so we can do it, how about a Doctor Who movie anyone?


With respect Twiddle, you're speaking twaddle.

Politicians giving creative suggestions to British film makers with the aim to be more conformist and mainstream is completely the wrong way to go and hopefully he will be ignored, or even better, actively opposed. I want film makers - artists in the broadest sense - to call the shots. NOT Cameron and his corporate cronies. Beside, the idea that all British film making is all "worthy and challenging" and not "fun" is nonsense....Harry Potter? The Inbetweeners? Slum Dog? Not exactly small movies these. Cameron should butt out.

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RE: Sorry, but he has a point - 11/1/2012 1:03:14 PM   
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Surely we could make a film as good as Brave Heart or Private Ryan only telling things from our point of view?



Braveheart is told from our point of view, that is, its a film set on the British Isles or did I miss something?

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He has a point - 11/1/2012 1:25:17 PM   
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I'm not political, but I think he has a point. Britain is very good at costume drama, posh rom-com and gritty drama, and that's about it. It's as predictable as Hollywood making no brain action fests.

A friend complained how anytime Brits are depicted in Hollywood war films they are always inferior to the Americans, well we can't expect the Americans to make us the heroes in their films. Surely we could make a film as good as Brave Heart or Private Ryan only telling things from our point of view?

I think a lot of it is our global success in theatre, this means that there's a feeling that every film has to be "worthy" or "challenging" like the best theatre and some times it works very well but why can't we have some fun too? A lot of our best directors go overseas and make intelligent big budget films- Chris Nolan, Ridley Scott so we can do it, how about a Doctor Who movie anyone?

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Braveheart. - 11/1/2012 1:48:13 PM   
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Yes Braveheart is based In Britain but is was funded by Hollywood and starring a guy who obviously doen't like the English very much. It's a great film, but it's terrible history and ridiculously biased, the English are little more than pantomime villains in it, or did I miss something?

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- 11/1/2012 2:39:02 PM   
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Bit rich after abolishing the UK Film Council. If I was in the industry I'd like to organise a collective fu#k off and MYOB.

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- 11/1/2012 2:39:15 PM   
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Bit rich after abolishing the UK Film Council. If I was in the industry I'd like to organise a collective fu#k off and MYOB.

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- 11/1/2012 2:39:43 PM   
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Bit rich after abolishing the UK Film Council. If I was in the industry I'd like to organise a collective f$#k off and MYOB.

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- 11/1/2012 2:41:11 PM   
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Bit rich after abolishing the UK Film Council. If I was in the industry I'd like to organise a collective f$#k off and MYOB.

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What a... - 11/1/2012 2:44:00 PM   
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C**t. Film Industry needs support from him. Not him flapping the lip about the sort of films that it should be making. St Trinians 3 maybe, Dave?

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- 11/1/2012 2:58:26 PM   
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"Demand" and "Mainstream" were interesting choices of words to put in the title given that they don't feature in the article at all.

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RE: - 11/1/2012 4:03:19 PM   
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More films like Slumdog Millionare, Another Year and 28 Days Later then? 

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Ah! Ken Loach - 11/1/2012 4:34:02 PM   
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... that bastion of political impartiality ...

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RE: Braveheart. - 11/1/2012 4:42:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: twiddle

Yes Braveheart is based In Britain but is was funded by Hollywood and starring a guy who obviously doen't like the English very much. It's a great film, but it's terrible history and ridiculously biased, the English are little more than pantomime villains in it, or did I miss something?


But this is about Britain, not just England.

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- 11/1/2012 5:39:19 PM   
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Maybe this utter twat shouldn't have axed the UKFilmCouncil then.

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- 11/1/2012 6:44:36 PM   
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Bit rich after axing the UK Film Council. Didn't anyone organise a big round of "Fuck Off" for him.

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- 11/1/2012 7:28:39 PM   
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It's not like Cameron's saying all British films HAVE to be crap from now on. I can understand why he would want our film industry to put more money into the economy, I can understand why anyone would want that. British films are traditionally of a high quality, so surely if more mainstream British films were made there would be a good chance of the majority of them being of a high standard anyway. That's how the British film industry already works, favouring quality over a quick buck. Sure, he was wrong to abolish the film council but whinging about it won't bring it back.

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- 11/1/2012 7:29:07 PM   
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It's not like Cameron's saying all British films HAVE to be crap from now on. I can understand why he would want our film industry to put more money into the economy, I can understand why anyone would want that. British films are traditionally of a high quality, so surely if more mainstream British films were made there would be a good chance of the majority of them being of a high standard anyway. That's how the British film industry already works, favouring quality over a quick buck. Sure, he was wrong to abolish the film council but whinging about it won't bring it back.

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