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RE: Dredd - 23/1/2012 1:33:36 PM   
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Information on Dredd's production:

Principal photography: November 2010 to February 2011.

Post production: February 2011 - October 2011:

quote:

Shahid Malik

FX Supervisor on Dredd
Prime Focus Film
Public Company; 1001-5000 employees; PFOCUS; Entertainment industry
February 2011 – October 2011 (9 months) London, United Kingdom

Created and/or specified all the 113 FX shots on Judge Dredd feature film reboot. Managed a total team of 10 FX artists.
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/shahid-malik/22/b5/807



(Information courtesy of Joe Soap)

This post production schedule ties in with the recent John Wagner interview where he mentioned he was seeing the final cut in November. If all the effects shots were completed in October then the final cut would be ready by November. Subject to any further editing - such as changes based on future preview screenings - this means a ten month gap between the final cut and the release of the film (November 2011 - September 2012).





Why are you so obsessed with the whole 'John Wagner has seen the final cut' aspect of this films production?

I mean, if he has, so what? If he hasn't, so what? Either way it tells us nothing about the film. I just really dont see the importance of knowing if he has seen it. It will make no difference to the release date, to the quality (unless he's having some say in how the final cut/edit works, I dunno, is he?) or to any other aspect of the films production.

Also, 113 FX shots, is that high? Low? Sounds low for a sci fi action flick. Anyone have any FX facts for comparison?

I mentioned earlier in the thread, I think, that the Total Recall trailer was iminent and I expected Dredd to have a trailer around the same kinda time. Well, turns out Totall Recall trailer will debut in March. So, maybe then for something from Dredd. Has Urban done any press or anything regarding Dredd, apart from the Empire feature? I really like the fella, and he's been in soem great movies and has been great in them, so I really hope he pulls this off and doesnt get hammered from rabid naysayers.

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RE: Dredd - 23/1/2012 1:40:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: porntrooper
Also, 113 FX shots, is that high? Low? Sounds low for a sci fi action flick. Anyone have any FX facts for comparison?


The 113 FX shots most likely refers to on-set and in-camera special effects done while the film was shooting. The visual effects are largely done after the film has shot and a rough edit has been produced. Dredd's expected to have something like 800 FX shots (visual/digital + special FX) in total.

I presume Urban and co. are contracted for PR work but that's not going to happen until the summer, I imagine.

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RE: Dredd - 23/1/2012 1:57:21 PM   
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 I am John Wagner and I have actually seen the final cut. Its true, eh dreddhead?

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RE: Dredd - 23/1/2012 2:07:36 PM   
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I am John Wagner and I have actually seen the final cut. Its true, eh dreddhead?


Well, I didn't raise that question with dreddhead to be an arse or anything, just really curious to hear what impact he thinks John Wagner seeing this film will have 'cos it's all he goes on about. What difference does it make to anything if he sees it or not, the way dreddhead keeps bringing it up suggests he thinks it will be the definitive answer on the movies quality.

Also, is Lena Headley the big bad guy in this movie? I know she's in it, but is she the main villain of the piece? I seem to recall hearing she is, which is a pain, cos I really don't have time for her. She's okay I guess, but I never really find her that impressive in her roles. Having said that, she nailed her role as a total evil bitch in Game of Thrones, so maybe she will do okay. Has there been any announcement on who is scoring the flick, anything like that?

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RE: Dredd - 23/1/2012 2:26:14 PM   
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Has there been any announcement on who is scoring the flick, anything like that?


No word on the score yet. I'd like to hear John Powell or John Murphy give it a go. Their style would suit this I reckon.

Edited for Spaldron insulting posters AGAIN!

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RE: Dredd - 23/1/2012 2:38:42 PM   
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 Paul Leonard-Morgan will be scoring Dredd.

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RE: Dredd - 23/1/2012 2:41:52 PM   
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 How was that insulting, it wasn't even a swear?

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Paul Leonard-Morgan will be scoring Dredd.


Ah, ok. IMDb said nothing about it. He did Limitless which I haven't seen but he's done some solid work for tv so should be good.

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RE: Dredd - 23/1/2012 2:44:36 PM   
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 Here is a link to his official site.

http://www.paulleonardmorgan.com/news.html



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RE: Dredd - 23/1/2012 2:52:19 PM   
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How was that insulting, it wasn't even a swear?



You changed his name to an insulting term. You cant tell me it was a term of endearment.

Thats about my 3rd or 4th warning to you to stop it in this thread alone. If you dont desist you'll be heading for another official warning.
Block the posters you dont like. Contribute or bugger off.

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 23/1/2012 7:44:50 PM   
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I have encountered this "Keyser Sozzled" on other websites and he more or less has confirmed to me that he is, in fact, Stallone



It's true. I'm sorry.

To be honest I can't ever remember a thread on these boards that has single handedly sucked every ounce of possible anticipation out of an upcoming film. Frankly the conduct in this thread isn't befitting of small bed wetting children.

As for the movie, I like Urban, Dredd seems to have a good concept and some potential but to be honest I can't help but think I want it to be terrible just to piss certain posters off.

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 23/1/2012 7:54:14 PM   
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To be honest I can't ever remember a thread on these boards that has single handedly sucked every ounce of possible anticipation out of an upcoming film. Frankly the conduct in this thread isn't befitting of small bed wetting children.

As for the movie, I like Urban, Dredd seems to have a good concept and some potential but to be honest I can't help but think I want it to be terrible just to piss certain posters off.




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RE: Dredd (2012) - 23/1/2012 8:03:44 PM   
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 Not you Dan, you're cool

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RE: Dredd - 23/1/2012 8:25:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dreddhead123

Information on Dredd's production:

Principal photography: November 2010 to February 2011.

Post production: February 2011 - October 2011:

quote:

Shahid Malik

FX Supervisor on Dredd
Prime Focus Film
Public Company; 1001-5000 employees; PFOCUS; Entertainment industry
February 2011 – October 2011 (9 months) London, United Kingdom

Created and/or specified all the 113 FX shots on Judge Dredd feature film reboot. Managed a total team of 10 FX artists.
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/shahid-malik/22/b5/807



(Information courtesy of Joe Soap)

This post production schedule ties in with the recent John Wagner interview where he mentioned he was seeing the final cut in November. If all the effects shots were completed in October then the final cut would be ready by November. Subject to any further editing - such as changes based on future preview screenings - this means a ten month gap between the final cut and the release of the film (November 2011 - September 2012).






John Wagner did not say he was viewing the final cut but a close to finished 'structural cut' and the partial completion of certain FX does not mean the film is completed. There are various other processes that are still going on such as scoring, mixing etc. So please do not take anything I have posted on other forums and twist it. Thank you.


The film is not finished.


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RE: Dredd (2012) - 23/1/2012 8:32:49 PM   
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Fuck's sake.

This thread and all Dredd related threads can fuck off.  Wasn't so bad when we just had DreddHead  here, or Scott as these new wind-up merchants keep constantly calling him, despite the all round bad form of identifying posters on a forum.

Spaldron fella, they're all yours.



That is just ONE of the names that he goes by. He also calls himself Richard.



We don't care. And we won't tolerate issues on another Board being brought up again here as we have had to say repeatedly in this thread.

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eldospinks: Can we not club together and hire an escort for Scott? One night should do it.




Yuk-Yuk! You'd have to make sure she doesn't try to go down on him, eldo. We all know how he feels about that kind of thing. Welcome back.







Thank you, Saucie.

Who said anything about a she? I was thinking of that bloke who lives behind Sainsburys, who smells like a dead yak and shouts at traffic.

If we give him a bottle of meths I reckon he might just do it.


And you can kindly leave this kind of rubbish where you all came from.

Our site rules are in the Empire Online sub-forum. Posting just to comment on another poster and add nothing to the thread will eventually be acted upon. So please talk to the substance of the post - gathering in corners and talking about someone else is little better than bullying, no matter the disagreement on the film.


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RE: Dredd (2012) - 23/1/2012 8:45:52 PM   
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 I am just going to watch Robocop - basically the same thing anyway....

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 23/1/2012 8:47:50 PM   
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John Wagner says on facebook:


The reshoots went well and the editing, I'm told, is now complete. VFX are looking cool. They expect to have the score, sound and other technical stuff finished in February.

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 23/1/2012 8:50:04 PM   
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 They will tinker with the film beyond that - the old saying about films never being completed but released. 

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 23/1/2012 8:52:10 PM   
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Abandoned I think is the word but that applies to any art.

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 23/1/2012 8:56:06 PM   
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 In the case of films I think it is a case of "ripped out of your hands"

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 23/1/2012 8:59:55 PM   
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I think it's more a case of when the money runs out when it comes to non-studio indie films which Dredd kinda is.

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 23/1/2012 9:50:41 PM   
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 I do apologise. Feelings run high where dreddhead is concerned.

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RE: Dredd (2012): Chaos and Creation - 23/1/2012 11:24:13 PM   
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Joe Soap wrote:

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John Wagner did not say he was viewing the final cut but a close to finished 'structural cut' and the partial completion of certain FX does not mean the film is completed. There are various other processes that are still going on such as scoring, mixing etc. So please do not take anything I have posted on other forums and twist it. Thank you.


The film is not finished.


Joe, clean you may be, accurate you are not. Mr John Wagner said:

quote:

I'm going up to see the final cut next week


http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=35243

His exact words. Now if you wish to contradict what Mr Wagner said, go ahead, but I'll take his word that he saw the final cut over your view he saw "a close to finished 'structural cut' " (whatever that means!).

quote:

"please do not take anything I have posted on other forums and twist it."


Apparently Joe Shower Gel thinks he knows Wagner hasn't seen the final cut even though Wagner said he was going to see the final cut. Wagner said " I'm going up to see the final cut next week " - this was in the first week of November 2011 so it's reasonable to assume he has seen the final cut. You should get your facts right before claiming I twist things!

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To be honest I can't ever remember a thread on these boards that has single handedly sucked every ounce of possible anticipation out of an upcoming film. Frankly the conduct in this thread isn't befitting of small bed wetting children.


Any publicity is good publicity, ain't you heard of that! The more posts on this thread, the higher up the board it goes, the more people see the thread, the more hits, the more publicity.

People should appreciate what I've done. Perhaps I can get an Empire gold star or something.




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RE: Dredd (2012): Chaos and Creation - 23/1/2012 11:37:22 PM   
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Joe, clean you may be, accurate you are not. Mr John Wagner said:

quote:

I'm going up to see the final cut next week



I think you'll find you twisted it, not me! Apparently Joe Shower Gel thinks he knows Wagner hasn't seen the final cut even though Wagner said he was going to see the final cut. Wagner said " I'm going up to see the final cut next week " - this was in the first week of November 2011 so it's reasonable to assume he has seen the final cut.




In case you don't know, a final cut is when no more editing is required...


...and obviously, it wasn't a final cut as he said only today: "The reshoots went well and "the editing, I'm told, is now complete." so really how did he see the final cut if he's only been told it's now finished? This is my point in case you missed, it was a structural content edit not a final cut, it doesn't even have a complete dub-mix or score yet. You really need to be smarter than this Scojo.

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RE: Dredd (2012): Chaos and Creation - 23/1/2012 11:49:49 PM   
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And obviously, it wasn't, as he said only today: "The reshoots went well and "the editing, I'm told, is now complete." so really how did he see the final cut if he's only been told it's now finished? This is my point in case you missed, it was a structural content edit not a final cut, it doesn't even have a complete dub-mix or score yet. You really need to be smarter than this Scojo.


Oh please.

You said he hasn't seen a final cut, I provided the link where he said he was going to see final cut and you can't admit it!

Anyway, Wagner saw a near complete version back in November. He referred to it as the final cut but - and I'm taking a guess - Wagner's reaction was "stuff doesn't work, can you alter it" so reshoots were done and perhaps he's seen the new final cut. Regarding the reshoots - if this is accurate this is bad news. It means the final cut or the early final cut (if you want to be pedantic about this!) was crappy. This proves the LA Times was right about the footage being rubbish.

Now I know Joe Bubble Bath will say "reshoots do not mean a film is a failure, it happens a lot" - well, perhaps it does, but it doesn't send out a particularly good impression. I read the screenplay and thought "this is not the right story for a new JD film" so I'm not surprised there have been reshoots. I'll be surprised if Dredd 2012 is good. I think it will be blighted by unoriginality. If the film reeks of unoriginality (Die Hard meets Robocop 2) I don't think any amount of reshoots will save it.

If I am wrong I'll be happy to say so. At the present moment in time there is little to be excited about. Claims of awful footage, director being fired, and now confirmation of reshoots do not give the impression Dredd 2012 is going be that good. A decent trailer can change that perception so let's see what the trailer brings...


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RE: Dredd (2012): Chaos and Creation - 24/1/2012 12:00:36 AM   
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Now I know Joe Bubble Bath will say "reshoots do not mean a film is a failure, it happens a lot" - well, perhaps it does, but it doesn't send out a particularly good impression.



It happens more than a lot, it happens on practically every film that's doesn't just rely on performances, wides and two-shots. Which is basically most of the new comic films.






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If I am wrong I'll be happy to say so.





I doubt it. You can never admit when you're wrong which is frequently.


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RE: Dredd (2012): Chaos and Creation - 24/1/2012 12:04:13 AM   
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And a major thing

Wagner never said he liked the final cut! He just said

"The reshoots went well and the editing, I'm told, is now complete. VFX are looking cool. They expect to have the score, sound and other technical stuff finished in February."

He's never said

"The film is good. It's great!" No real enthusiasm from Wagner. Okay, he says the effects are cool but the actual film - is it good? Nothing. He's never used the words "good, great, thrilling" or "I LIKED IT."

Don't you think he would have said...

"I've seen the final cut and I like it."

... if he... actually liked it?

I'm getting no passion from Wagner. No great excitement. Not a jot. Joe, show me where John Wagner has actually said "I think this is good." Good is a reasonable word to describe something you like. So where is this "good"? I can't see it. It's obvious he doesn't like it or isn't that excited by it.



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RE: Dredd (2012): Chaos and Creation - 24/1/2012 12:06:50 AM   
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He didn't say it was crap either. How do you square that?


Have you ever seen a rough cut of a film, not fully mixed with only temp music?

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RE: Dredd (2012): Chaos and Creation - 24/1/2012 12:11:15 AM   
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He didn't say it was crap either. How do you square that?


Basic human nature. John Wagner has written Judge Dredd for 35 years so if he saw this great new Judge Dredd film - one with amazing action or comedy or social comment or with Urban nailing the part or the blocks looking amazing etc - he would say:

"I like it, it's very good."

I think his passion would come out. He would think to himself, "Thank God, they've finally done Dredd justice, it actually works on the big screen!"

I'm not getting any passion from his comments, any excitement. It's all sitting-on-the-fence stuff. I think Wagner knows it's as bad as the Stallone version. I reckon he knows that because the storyline is so unimaginative.

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RE: Dredd (2012): Chaos and Creation - 24/1/2012 12:12:39 AM   
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 Ok, so it is going to suck. Best to move on then, eh?

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RE: Dredd (2012): Chaos and Creation - 24/1/2012 12:15:16 AM   
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Joe, please answer me this..

If the LA Times was wrong when it claimed the footage was awful and Travis was fired...

Why has Wagner let the cat out of the bag and said the film needed reshoots?

Don't you think he's kind of admitted the footage was crappy? I believe so.



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