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RE: Dredd (2012): - 16/1/2012 11:03:40 AM   
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Just changing the title back.

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RE: Dredd (2012): - 16/1/2012 12:02:43 PM   
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So whats this gonna be?,
A sci-fi action Movie or a sci-fi action porn movie?

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RE: Dredd (2012): - 16/1/2012 1:04:16 PM   
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It could be a clever little scene if you ask me and could act as a nice little shot at Hollywood action films that tend to have female leads primarily for sexualisation (Transformers etc.) and ogling. Obviously how it plays depends almost entirely on the way in which it is shot but in my opinion the scene has a clear intent, as well as showing the cleverness and capabilities of the character, and so will be shot in such a way that your 'expectations' are played with and subverted and has you siding with the protagonist, as well as providing a bit of a laugh presumably.

BTW I've only read a description of that scene, as opposed to the scene itself. There's no proof that what he linked to is in any version of the script and the same posters trolling of numerous forums giving out about the film because he's bitter over his scripts being 'rejected' (his words; more likely they were never read by anyone involved in the film because it's essentially fan fiction) and an unusally intense interest in talking shit about 'Dredd' and those involved with it at every opportunity suggests a rather unhealthy obsession.


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RE: Dredd (2012): - 16/1/2012 2:45:57 PM   
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When you have so-called 'fans' writing stuff like this on the IMDB Dredd forum...

Re sex scene:

"Does it matter? The scene, as scripted, would greatly enhance the movie and should as such be there"

... you know this film has reached a sorry state. If any fans genuinely believe two oral sex scenes - one clearly implied, the other shown - are necessary they are deluding themselves. The fact that Garland and DNA Films believe an oral sex scene is

A) required

B) suitable

in a new 'faithful' Judge Dredd film prove what little regard they have for the character. I don't recall John Wagner doing an oral sex scene in any of his Judge Dredd stories. The screenplay is just nasty. There is an inherent nastiness to it. I felt that the first time I read the screenplay and I felt exactly the same when I re-read it.

As I said in an earlier post - it's soulless. There is no heart to it. Perhaps the average film goer won't give a 'drokk!' about that - they may want 90s mins of hardcore action. The films of Jason Statham would suggest there are enough film goers out there that want hardcore action and little else. The film may deliver on that but it will not deliver at an emotional level. Wagner could have brought more texture to the storyline - more humour, more depth to the city and the block. Garland's entire understanding of Judge Dredd can be summed up in a few brief words:

'MC-1 is a shit hole.'

That's his entire take on Judge Dredd. The slum blocks, the slum apartments, the cits injecting themselves with drugs, the cits having sex on dirty beds, the endless profanity, the Anderson/Ma-Ma oral sex scenes, the very graphic violence where bodies are ripped apart - it's just soulless. There is no humour or warmth or anything that captures so much of Wagner/Grant's version of Judge Dredd. I'm not saying a new Judge Dredd film should be jolly and uplifting (in the conventional sense) but Garland's version of Judge Dredd reminds me of one of those so-called video nasty films from the 1980s. It's as if he got his grubby paws on Dredd, read one prog of 2000AD's Judge Dredd and then said "let's make this as 'orrible as I can!"


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RE: Dredd (2012): - 16/1/2012 2:47:24 PM   
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There's no proof that what he linked to is in any version of the script and the same posters trolling of numerous forums giving out about the film because he's bitter over his scripts being 'rejected' (his words; more likely they were never read by anyone involved in the film because it's essentially fan fiction) and an unusally intense interest in talking shit about 'Dredd' and those involved with it at every opportunity suggests a rather unhealthy obsession.



This situation gets more hilarious everyday. So what you're saying is the reason behind the obsessive trolling is bitterness over some rejected scripts?!!

Brilliant!

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RE: Dredd (2012): - 16/1/2012 3:02:24 PM   
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This situation gets more hilarious everyday. So what you're saying is the reason behind the obsessive trolling is bitterness over some rejected scripts?!! Brilliant!


No. I dislike the Alex Garland screenplay because it's inherently nasty and unimaginative. Hand on heart, if I liked it I would say so. I didn't so I'm being honest in how I feel.

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RE: Dredd (2012): - 16/1/2012 3:30:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dreddhead123

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This situation gets more hilarious everyday. So what you're saying is the reason behind the obsessive trolling is bitterness over some rejected scripts?!! Brilliant!


No. I dislike the Alex Garland screenplay because it's inherently nasty and unimaginative. Hand on heart, if I liked it I would say so. I didn't so I'm being honest in how I feel.



Having read through Garlands Filmography,I cant imagine him writing what is fundamentally sounding like a cross between a 'torture porn movie' and a sorry adaptation of a classic known British anti-hero in the form of Judge Dredd.
Looking at his Filmographys like Sunshine,28 days later (thankfully not the awful sequel),The Beach,And Never Let Me Go,I cant for the life of me see him going 'all out bonkers' and not respecting what has made both Dredd and 200AD's world so unique.

But I've been proved wrong before.

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Dredd (2012): Norman Sauchieboy Fletcher, You Are An Ha... - 16/1/2012 4:37:04 PM   
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furrybastard: an unusally intense interest in talking shit about 'Dredd' and those involved with it at every opportunity suggests a rather unhealthy obsession




I plead guilty as charged, Your Honour.





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RE: Dredd (2012) - 16/1/2012 4:56:26 PM   
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When was this screenplay leaked? Is it not possible it has undergone re-writes (perhaps many), since that is hardly uncommon during the shooting of a movie?

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Dredd (2012): T & A In MC1 - 16/1/2012 5:07:54 PM   
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dreddhead123: The fact that Garland and DNA Films believe an oral sex scene is

A) required

B) suitable

in a new 'faithful' Judge Dredd film prove what little regard they have for the character. I don't recall John Wagner doing an oral sex scene in any of his Judge Dredd stories. The screenplay is just nasty. There is an inherent nastiness to it. I felt that the first time I read the screenplay and I felt exactly the same when I re-read it.





Ah, now, Scott; we both know the strip well enough to remember that there's been plenty of gratuitous titillation over the years. In the period when The Megazine was trying to make a virtue of its Mature Readers tag, Megazine 40 (volume three) featured a story, Sleaze, about Jura Edgar and the PSU holding incriminating images of public officials. The heart-shaped asses and pert Barbarella tits (i) of the vice girls involved were painted with obvious relish by John 'Charles Montgomery' Burns, as they were polled by the cream of Megacity's top politicos.


What about that embarrassing 'Sex' issue of 2000ad (no. 1066), which was delivered to newsies in a plastic bag to protect little eyes from the 'filth' inside. Wagner's contribution to that ejaculatory outpouring of smut featured Dredd being molested by a factory full of scuddy sex robots. Dredd's creator obviously has a thing for robosexiness, because PJ Maybe's sex droid featured prominently in Tour of Duty, in various states of undress, sexual role-play and fetishism. And one of the best Dredd world stories EVER, Return of the Taxidermist, features the finals of the Olympic Freestyle Sex event as one of its recurring gags.


The only way in which I can agree with the substance of your post is that the instances I cite above are essentially playful in nature, which can't be said of the way you describe the events in the Garland script. I've got to agree with furrybastard, that everything turns on how that scene is shot and edited. If it's clear that the scene represents the female character taking control of the situation, and any nudity isn't of the gynaecologically exact Michael Bay variety; then the power in that scene is with her, rather than with the male character or the prurient gaze of the viewer.


There's nothing unprecedented about, or wrong with, T & A in MC1, per se.
What about that embarrasing 'Sex' issue of 2000ad (which was delivered to newsies in a plastic bag to protect them from the 'filth' inside). Wagner's contribution to that ejaculatory tide of smut featured Dredd being propositioned by a factory full of sex robots. Wagner's obviously got a thing for robosexiness because PJ Maybe's sex droid featured heavily in Tour of Duty too. And one of the best Dredd world stories EVER, Return of the Taxidermist, has the finals of the Olympic Freestyle Sex as one of its recurring gags.

The only way in which I can agree with the substance of your post is that the instances I cite above are essentially playful in nature, which can't be said of the way you describe the events in the Garland script. I've got to agree with other Forum Members that it all turns on how that scene is shot and edited. If it's clear that the scene is presented as Anderson taking control of the situation and any nudity isn't gynaecologically exact, the power in that scene is with her. There's nothing unprecedented about, or wrong with T & A in MC1, per se.


(i) You know, the kind that are full and round at the bottom but turn up at the nipple, like Huckleberry Hound's nose. They were everywhere in the Sixties.










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Dredd (2012): Three-way - 16/1/2012 5:13:52 PM   
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DARKO_DONNIE_DONUT: So whats this gonna be?, A sci-fi action Movie or a sci-fi action porn movie?



I'd be happy if it was all three, just as long as it works, makes money and guarantees bigger budget sequels.





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Dredd (2012): Spaldron And Scott Up A Tree - 16/1/2012 5:24:44 PM   
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Spaldron: This situation gets more hilarious everyday. So what you're saying is the reason behind the obsessive trolling is bitterness over some rejected scripts?!!

Brilliant!




Spaldron posts fuck-all about Dredd. He's essentially a fan of Scott now, isn't he?






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RE: Dredd (2012) - 16/1/2012 6:32:38 PM   
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When was this screenplay leaked? Is it not possible it has undergone re-writes (perhaps many), since that is hardly uncommon during the shooting of a movie?


"No it hasn't, its rubbish!!! My script is better!!!!!!!!"

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 16/1/2012 7:08:22 PM   
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How many accounts do you have on this forum, Scojo? And just how many forums are you trolling posting the same uninformed crap? I know you've been banned from the 2000AD forums already and even some of the comics' creators had to block you because of your attacking them online, including John Wagner, Dredd's creator.

Get over it. If you don't like a film you haven't seen yet, then forget about it and move on. If you think your script was infinitely better then good for you. From the excerpt you posted last night (and have now removed) it sounded forced and ridiculous to me, with no sense of pacing and a tinny ear for dialogue.  Maybe you should spend more time working on your script-writing skills instead of trolling who-knows-how-many forums spewing the same crap under multiple accounts and essentially making stuff up about the production of the film in order to bash Alex Garland and others.

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 16/1/2012 7:26:47 PM   
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How many accounts do you have on this forum, Scojo? And just how many forums are you trolling posting the same uninformed crap? I know you've been banned from the 2000AD forums already and even some of the comics' creators had to block you because of your attacking them online, including John Wagner, Dredd's creator.

Get over it. If you don't like a film you haven't seen yet, then forget about it and move on. If you think your script was infinitely better then good for you. From the excerpt you posted last night (and have now removed) it sounded forced and ridiculous to me, with no sense of pacing and a tinny ear for dialogue.  Maybe you should spend more time working on your script-writing skills instead of trolling who-knows-how-many forums spewing the same crap under multiple accounts and essentially making stuff up about the production of the film in order to bash Alex Garland and others.





I've been saying this all along. Its gotten to the point where I've had to use the block function.

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 16/1/2012 7:31:51 PM   
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Dredd future films, the thread that keeps on giving.

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RE: Dredd - 16/1/2012 7:58:34 PM   
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Storyboard at bottom of page - click here

Yes, I know it's not amazingly exciting, but someone has to try to keep this thread on track.

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RE: Dredd - 16/1/2012 8:10:01 PM   
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Storyboard at bottom of page - click here

Yes, I know it's not amazingly exciting, but someone has to try to keep this thread on track.


How dare you.

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Dredd (2012): Blow By Blow - 17/1/2012 11:00:17 AM   
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furrybastard: It could be a clever little scene if you ask me and could act as a nice little shot at Hollywood action films that tend to have female leads primarily for sexualisation (Transformers etc.) and ogling.

Obviously how it plays depends almost entirely on the way in which it is shot but in my opinion the scene has a clear intent, as well as showing the cleverness and capabilities of the character, and so will be shot in such a way that your 'expectations' are played with and subverted and has you siding with the protagonist, as well as providing a bit of a laugh presumably.


That's an important point to make, furrybastard. My previous posts have treated that scene with the same gravity as Scott's own complaining posts, but my initial reaction to his description of the scene was laughter. And, if it's played correctly, it should make exactly the points Mr Bastard describes above too.

For me, the only potential problem with that scene is the treatment of the nudity (i). Taking Scott at his word- that flesh is indeed flashed- any character being shown nude seems entirely surplus to requirements, might sour the laughs, and might even undermine the point being made.

That whole scene could be played just as effectively using a couple of tight head shots (pardon the phrase) of the two female characters feigning the sex act in question. Even if the male character imagines the female protagonist nude, why share that with the viewer unless you want them to share in (and identify with) his attempt to disempower her by exploiting her sexuality?

The point of the scene is her using the sex act to turn the tables on him, the nudity's either a distraction or a bonus- depending on whether you're Michael Bay or not.



(i)If the camera is leering at the body of the female character, then it'll be every bit as shittily exploitative as the scene in Under Seige where some prick persuaded Erica Eleniak to spend about a minute silently fondling her own enormous breasts. I'm perfectly capable of noticing whether a girl's smuggling peanuts all by myself, and I would have been able to enjoy Erica Eleniak's tits much better if the incompetent director hadn't crowbarred in an entirely redundant scene for the express purpose of making me ogle them.






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RE: Dredd (2012): Blow By Blow - 17/1/2012 11:28:54 AM   
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what the address for the film official website?

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RE: Dredd (2012): Moral Minority - 17/1/2012 11:48:02 AM   
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what the address for the film official website?


http://www.dnafilms.com

Not much to see on it. Been like that for over a year.

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RE: Dredd (2012): Moral Minority - 17/1/2012 1:07:56 PM   
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Dreddhead - I've edited the rest of your post.You have been warned before about trying to identify another posters identity.
Please keep discussions to the film only and also not drag discussions from other boards.

This is your final warning on this.

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RE: Dredd - 17/1/2012 1:12:43 PM   
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Den of Geek article about the flick - Click

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RE: Dredd (2012): Blow By Blow - 17/1/2012 1:56:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sauchieboy
For me, the only potential problem with that scene is the treatment of the nudity (i). Taking Scott at his word- that flesh is indeed flashed- any character being shown nude seems entirely surplus to requirements, might sour the laughs, and might even undermine the point being made.


There's no truthful indication as to whether the scene described even exists. I wouldn't take him at his word since he's clearly got an axe to grind; it's more likely the the scene posted above was either 1) created out of thin air by him, 2) a scene from a version of the script that the poster has altered to fit his argument or 3) a scene from an early/completely different draft.

And lastly, it's extremely unlikely that a script would give too much detail about the way it would be shot. However, considering Garland's previous films, I find it extremely unlikely that it would be anything remotely similar to the way someone like Michael Bay would shoot it. Garland has written strong female characters before; in 28 Days Later, Sunshine and most recently Never Let Me Go. I find it incredible that the person who wrote those films would, in any way, allow the scene to be played in the film as described by the hater above.

It's bullshit.

quote:

My previous posts have treated that scene with the same gravity as Scott's own complaining posts, but my initial reaction to his description of the scene was laughter. And, if it's played correctly, it should make exactly the points Mr Bastard describes above too.


I really should change my name

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RE: Dredd - 17/1/2012 2:01:10 PM   
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Den of Geek article about the flick - Click


Interesting enough interview but light on details. This bit caught my attention...

"One thing I love about Dredd is its really realistic approach, it's a very dark and gritty approach, so my look is much less sexy femme fatale and a little bit more like a football player."

Presume she means American football player!

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Dredd - 17/1/2012 2:15:11 PM   
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Trying to find some juicy details on this flick is like trying to get blood out of a stone, dude.



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RE: Dredd - 17/1/2012 2:46:56 PM   
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Trying to find some juicy details on this flick is like trying to get blood out of a stone, dude.



It'll pick up as we get closer to release, expect a teaser in the spring and a full trailer about June/July.

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RE: Dredd - 17/1/2012 3:26:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Spaldron


quote:

ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Trying to find some juicy details on this flick is like trying to get blood out of a stone, dude.



It'll pick up as we get closer to release, expect a teaser in the spring and a full trailer about June/July.


Maybe even sooner?

I hear the trailer for Total Recall is going to hit soon, and isn't that slated for release around the same time as Dredd (August/Sept 2012)? If it is, I'd imagine DNA will want to start kicking up publicity soon, at the very least with a teaser. At least I hope so, cos I'm really curious how this movie will play out. I like Urban, but none of the other casting really jumps out as being particularly inspired, plus the publicity shots that have ben released don't really scream quality, but I'm willing to give it a shot if the trailer's sell it well.

I'm no Dredd/2000AD nut, in fact I've never read a single one, but one thing that does worry (annoy?) me, is that this movie appears to be bringing the scope down somewhat. It's obviously due to budget reasons, but confining the movie to a single block and removing the Mega City 1 surroundings really annoys me. It's one of the things I enjoyed about the Stallone movie, the sets looked pretty good and the feel of the city was pretty good. In fact, I don't hate Stallone's version, but not being a huge fan/follower of the comics, things like him removing the helmet etc doesn't really bother me. So yea, I hope we get a trailer soon to start to distinguish the late Summer sci fi movies.

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RE: Dredd - 17/1/2012 4:33:38 PM   
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I'm no Dredd/2000AD nut, in fact I've never read a single one, but one thing that does worry (annoy?) me, is that this movie appears to be bringing the scope down somewhat. It's obviously due to budget reasons, but confining the movie to a single block and removing the Mega City 1 surroundings really annoys me. It's one of the things I enjoyed about the Stallone movie, the sets looked pretty good and the feel of the city was pretty good. In fact, I don't hate Stallone's version, but not being a huge fan/follower of the comics, things like him removing the helmet etc doesn't really bother me. So yea, I hope we get a trailer soon to start to distinguish the late Summer sci fi movies.


Agreed. It is unfortunate we don't get to see more of Mega-City One, it's arguably as big a character as Dredd in the comic and definitely as important. It's a relatively low budget film, unfortunately.

I wouldn't be suprised if we got a short teaser in February to co-incide with 2000AD's 35th anniversary.

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Dredd (2012): The Future Is Not Written - 18/1/2012 11:11:50 AM   
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monstercat: Trying to find some juicy details on this flick is like trying to get blood out of a stone, dude.



I don't know whether that's a bad thing or not. The best cinema-going experience I had was going to see Terminator 2 during a nightmare family holiday. I hadn't read anything about it or seen the usual TV hype while I was being dragged around the English Riviera, so I didn't even know Arnie was the good guy. The T1000 blew my tiny mind.

Unabomber media seclusion has something to be said for it.

Obviously if we all knew too much about this film too far in advance we'd all be sick of it by the time the film was released, but would it really be so bad if we had a few interviews with the cast and crew, or behind the scenes features to whet our appetites?

I'm not as anxious as some for a trailer, but some DVD extra-type material wouldn't go amiss.





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