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RE: Dredd (2012): The Second Last Action Hero - 14/1/2012 4:14:48 PM   
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Whatever happens we will still have the comics,i just go in understanding that I'm getting an adaptation of my fave comic/book rather than slavish creation ripped from the pages. I've learnt in my old age to relax about adaptations...took me ages to get over Jackson turning Wargs into giant hyenas in LOTR or Batmans suit not having the right cape etc...

All i wish for now is a decent film that pays a certain amount of respect to the source material...Helmet too big or whatever,could be worse...

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RE: Dredd (2012) Unnecessary Thread Title Change - 14/1/2012 4:42:29 PM   
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On to the subject of its release date its going up against an Adam Sandler "comedy" featuring the "hilarious talents" of Andy Samberg and Miley Cyrus. So there's probably no chance it'll make it to number one in the states at least (especially considering they think its a remake of Stallone's film, having no clue of the comics).

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RE: Dredd (2012) Unnecessary Thread Title Change - 14/1/2012 5:34:02 PM   
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On to the subject of its release date its going up against an Adam Sandler "comedy" featuring the "hilarious talents" of Andy Samberg and Miley Cyrus. So there's probably no chance it'll make it to number one in the states at least (especially considering they think its a remake of Stallone's film, having no clue of the comics).


So cynical

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RE: Dredd (2012) Unnecessary Thread Title Change - 14/1/2012 5:43:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DARKO_DONNIE_DONUT

quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron

On to the subject of its release date its going up against an Adam Sandler "comedy" featuring the "hilarious talents" of Andy Samberg and Miley Cyrus. So there's probably no chance it'll make it to number one in the states at least (especially considering they think its a remake of Stallone's film, having no clue of the comics).


So cynical



Its not cynical, most American audiences outside of sci-fi conventions have never heard of Dredd except the Stallone film and are completely ignorant of the rich comic source. Therefore many believe this is a remake of a shit film, hence some early negative criticism.

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 14/1/2012 6:03:30 PM   
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quote:

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On to the subject of its release date its going up against an Adam Sandler "comedy" featuring the "hilarious talents" of Andy Samberg and Miley Cyrus. So there's probably no chance it'll make it to number one in the states at least (especially considering they think its a remake of Stallone's film, having no clue of the comics).


I think Batman Begins proved that the resurrection of a comic book based film franchise after a frankly disastrous cluster fuck of a flick is entirely possible. And Batman & Robin is possibly ten times worse than Judge Dredd.

I mean, at least Judge Dredd had Diane Lane in a tight black vest. What did B&R have? Chris O' Donald and shit puns like "Ice to see you".

If the distributors do a good job with the advertising and the producers come up with a good film, there's every chance that Dredd will clean-up at the box office.



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RE: Dredd (2012) - 14/1/2012 6:05:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Spaldron

On to the subject of its release date its going up against an Adam Sandler "comedy" featuring the "hilarious talents" of Andy Samberg and Miley Cyrus. So there's probably no chance it'll make it to number one in the states at least (especially considering they think its a remake of Stallone's film, having no clue of the comics).


I think Batman Begins proved that the resurrection of a comic book based film franchise after a frankly disastrous cluster fuck of a flick is entirely possible. And Batman & Robin is possibly ten times worse than Judge Dredd.

I mean, at least Judge Dredd had Diane Lane in a tight black vest. What did B&R have? Chris O' Donald and shit puns like "Ice to see you".

If the distributors do a good job with the advertising and the producers come up with a good film, there's every chance that Dredd will clean-up at the box office.




Any idea what its rating will be?

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 14/1/2012 6:07:13 PM   
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No. Why do you ask?

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 14/1/2012 6:38:08 PM   
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Aiming for an 18 so I've heard,very violent and gory going off special effects rumors.

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RE: Dredd - 14/1/2012 7:31:37 PM   
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If the actual trailer can get as many hits as this - it will help get people aware of the film...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv0JkODids0

The end bit with the word 'Dredd' getting bigger and the spooky music - that is very good.

Can Garland and Travis really deliver on this? Not long to go and we'll find out!

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 14/1/2012 8:30:25 PM   
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If the distributors do a good job with the advertising and the producers come up with a good film, there's every chance that Dredd will clean-up at the box office.




Hopefully if its good then it'll do well but there's virtually no chance it will beat Adam Sandler's latest masterpiece in the US on the same opening weekend, especially considering Dredd is being released by Lionsgate, a medium sized distributor versus Hotel Transylvania which is a Columbia/Sony release. All I'm saying is, don't expect a big weekend.

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 14/1/2012 9:19:58 PM   
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I've been re-reading the Garland screenplay... tiny SPOILER details removed, of course....

Unless I'm mistaken there is no clear explanation what Judges are, what powers they have. I would have preferred someone to say "Judges rule the city, have the power to judge and sentence the citizens." The original film has a voice-over to explain that.

The first action scene is a bit bland. I hope the storyboarding makes it a bit more dramatic and longer. A longer chase element will make it more exciting. Doesn't 'read' as that exciting.

Judge Dredd is terse and to the point. I think Garland has got Dredd's personality. I'm assuming he was inspired by early era Dredd.

The screenplay has a lot of the f word. I would have preferred less. The dialogue is firmly rooted in the 20th century. A few "drokks" or "gruds" wouldn't have made the screenplay any less gritty. It's possible the casual use of "fuck" will make the film seem less futuristic.

Garland refers to Judges as "responders." This isn't a major problem, but it's a bit annoying because "Judges" sounds much better than "responders". I hope they replaced that with the word: "Judges."

Garland shows his naivety or inability to understand the world of Judge Dredd by making SPOILER NAME REMOVED, the villain, a 50 -60 year old hooker. Quite ludicrous. Three decades of Judge Dredd material to be inspired by and the villain is a 50 year old prostitute? Can you imagine Judge Dredd fighting her? Would be laughable. No threat to Dredd.

Thankfully someone saw sense and made her younger.

Compare SPOILER NAME in Garland's screenplay to Wagner's Nadia in Day of Chaos. One is a mature hooker, the other is a genetically enhanced assassin. This is the sort of stuff that shows Garland to be a bit clueless or lacking common sense. And also, why a hooker? As I say, three decades of Judge Dredd and we have to get a prostitute as the main villain in a new Judge Dredd film? I find that a tad insulting. Not that a hooker can't make a good baddie but not in a Judge Dredd film. All wrong for a Judge Dredd film. Judge Dredd is not known for fighting sex workers. It's not what springs to mind when you read Wagner's Dredd!

I think Rebellion and DNA Films should have got Wagner (Sauchieboy!) to have co-written it. Let Garland write the basic plot and Wagner adds the colour, the fine detail.





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RE: Dredd (2012) - 14/1/2012 11:15:13 PM   
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Part two of my re-read...

I don't think John Wagner will like this film - even if he's said the screenplay is a crowd pleaser. The fundamental problem with it...

It lacks imagination and it's nasty.

There's almost zero humour, there are a few funny lines but there is ZERO comedy from the situations. But back to the nasty...

I'm not against violent action films, seen enough in my time, but Garland's screenplay lacks the heart of Wagner's work. John Wagner never writes Judge Dredd in a really dark, soulless kind of way. For example, in Garland's screenplay there is, for lack of a better way of putting it, a pornographic type sequence involving Anderson and a perp. It does not serve the plot, it's there to turn the male viewers on. It's totally unnecessary - it's clearly misogynistic and it's not what Judge Dredd - the character and his world - is about. It's a nasty scene and there's no call for it in a Dredd film.

The screenplay is Alex Garland saying "Judge Dredd's world is a shit hole." That's it. Forget about any sci-fi angle, any imagination, and wit, any satire - it's just MEGA-CITY ONE - A SHIT HOLE. That's Garland's entire take on the character. The sci-fi dressing to this film - such as the vast scale of MC-1's landscapes - will be dulled by the sheer squalid world that is Peach Trees block and its citizens. Mega-Dump 1 would be a more appropriate name for this city.

I think many JD fans will find this new film as depressing as the original. The original will seem charming compared to this version! I don't want a watered down Judge Dredd film with Fergee doing his Saturday Night Live routine but I don't think I want such a crude, ugly version like Garland's. It's like we've gone from Carry On Dredd to Dredd Hard Extreme. Rebellion and DNA have spectacularly missed the middle ground - and the middle ground IS John Wagner's Dredd. Wagner's Dredd gets the balance right but Garland has gone so "grim and gritty" he's killed off the charm, the humour, the eccenticity of Dredd's world.

If you want a charmless, nasty take on Judge Dredd you will love this film. If you expect anything close to Wagner's work - you're going to be disappointed. There is no middle ground here. No attempt to be witty, to be imaginative. It's just "Fuck! Stop Dredd" dialogue all the way though. I think most fans will view Dredd 2012 as a failure. Perhaps not an action failure - the action scenes could be good but a creative failure.


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RE: Dredd (2012) - 14/1/2012 11:25:07 PM   
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Ok.

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 14/1/2012 11:41:42 PM   
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I am going to mention one scene from the screenplay and I think it sums up what I've been talking about....

(you may need to left click mouse and drag mouse over this to read it)

In one scene - it's a dream type sequence - Anderson makes a perp think the main villain of the film is giving him a blow-job.

Yes, you read that right. I am not winding you up. What the heck is that sort of thing doing in a Judge Dredd film? That's why this is a nasty version of Judge Dredd. If you like that or don't think it's a big deal, okay, but I doubt it's what most fans expect or want in a Judge Dredd film.

There is no great demand for nasty R rated films anyway - just look at The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo - not doing that well at the US box office. Is there going to be a big demand for a really nasty Judge Dredd film in 2012? Probably not. Perhaps those types of films had their peak back in the 1980s. Robocop could be the best example.

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 14/1/2012 11:51:10 PM   
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For example, in Garland's screenplay there is, for lack of a better way of putting it, a pornographic type sequence involving Anderson and a perp. It does not serve the plot, it's there to turn the male viewers on. It's totally unnecessary - it's clearly misogynistic and it's not what Judge Dredd - the character and his world - is about. It's a nasty scene and there's no call for it in a Dredd film.



Now, I don't know Garland personally and I'm not going to claim to have any great insight into his psyche, but this part doesn't sit well with me.

Sunshine, 28 Days Later and Never Let Me Go have really good female roles in them. Garland doesn't strike me as the misogynist type particularly.

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 14/1/2012 11:58:44 PM   
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(you may need to left click mouse and drag mouse over this to read it)

In one scene - it's a dream type sequence - Anderson makes a perp think the main villain of the film is giving him a blow-job.



This is the post that made me put you on my block list.

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 15/1/2012 12:01:29 AM   
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Monstercat - my comment is genuine. IT IS IN THE SCREENPLAY. It's mentioned here:

http://io9.com/5707763/judge-dredd-script-getting-mixed-early-buzz

I wouldn't read all of that webpage because it does mention stuff about the plot! But here is a fan review (not mine) with the porno scene highlighted in yellow text:

quote:

I've read it several times now, and while i may not dislike it quite as much as he did, my overall feeling still stands. It has nothing to make it stand out from a slew of other mid-range, straight to dvd thrillers, has none of the feel of the strip, follows the structure of the 95 film and repeats too many of the same beats, relies on a dodgy visual gimmick that seems ten years out of date, and has, at it's centre,the psychic hallucination naked Anderson forced blow job sequence, which is the dramatic centre of her arc.


See, I told you that scene is genuine. I've no idea what fans will make of that scene?!!!!

If you want to block me, okay, but don't block me because I'm telling you the scene contains a blatant sex act and you think I'm winding you up. I'm not. It's genuine - that scene is in the screenplay and should be in the final edit. Perhaps they'll remove it? I think fans should know about that scene because this is not Uncle Wagner's Judge Dredd you're getting!

Also, the language is so f-ridden. Basically every perp says "fuck." I doubt there is one page of dialogue (with the cits) without the f word. It's fuck this and fuck that and fuck a duck I want to suck! Was Garland going for the most f words in a screenplay world record? Could be!

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 15/1/2012 12:43:13 AM   
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You either didnt read the scene properly or you didn't understand it.

spoiler...edit...please don't highlight this if you want to be totally spoiler free, obviously, it's just here to refute what Dreddhead has said, including what he said in response to it, which I caught before blocking him

The scene takes place in the perverted mind of the the perp, he imagines Anderson giving him head as a sick way of trying to mess with her but Anderson WINS this little battle because when when he looks down, the psychic rookie judge has changed the fantasy so he sees he is being blown by his OWN MOTHER. It is not a scene where the female Judge is randomly making him think about something perverted, it is her hitting back at him for thoughts about what he would like to do to her to make her his bitch, basically. It's not a misogynist scene but one about a misogynist having the tables turned on him and if there is any titillation in the scene aimed at the male viewer in the way it is presented, it is likely to be one of the bits of humour, you seem to have clearly decided the film will not have, ie, designed to mess with the males in the audience by putting in their heads the idea the perp is confronted with

Your posts are so relentlessly negative that I don't want to read any more. I'm taking the advice offered to others and clicking on 'block'.




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RE: Dredd (2012) - 15/1/2012 12:48:48 AM   
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With respect, you're incorrect. The dream scene - which is created when Anderson enters the perp's head - shows

A) Anderson totally naked

B) Kneeling in front of the perp, Kay, about to give him a blowjob.

C) We then see Ma-Ma - the 50 year old hooker - giving Kay a blowjob and he says "Fuck! You sick bitch."

This is all in the screenplay.

If you think this is what should be in a Judge Dredd film you're deluding yourself, jobloffski. The scene serves no purpose other than for DNA's producers to find a cheap excuse to show Olivia Thirlby naked and to justify their fantasy of her (or the Ma-Ma character) giving someone oral sex. This is not acceptable in a Judge Dredd film because it's clearly porn. This is exploitative porno in a 2000AD feature film. That is totally wrong. If people wanna watch porn, go ahead, there's enough on the net, but it shouldn't be in a Judge Dredd film.

I congratulate Garland for getting paid for writing this rubbish and I congratulate DNA for finding foolish investors dumb enough to finance this script. Wow - John Wagner must be so grateful that DNA hired Mr Garland to write a blowjob scene. I'm sure Wagner is over the moon with that. (heavy sarcasm intended).

I detest the screenplay. It's as bad as the first film screenplay but that had the decency to try and be colourful and amusing. Garland's screenplay is ugly and charmless. Ergh. And the sex scene sums up Garland.

By the way, Sauchieboy really is John Wagner and he posts to try and gauge fans' opinions. John, this film is going to be awful. I know you've seen the final cut - you said you were seeing it in November and I assume you have - but you haven't mentioned it on your Facebook page. I know why. You think it's crap. And I agree with you.

This film will kill off the Judge Dredd franchise. And it's JUDGE DREDD - DNA, you clueless twits - NOT DREDD on its own! Have some basic respect for the character you're trying to ruin with your crap-fest of a film.

Day of Chaos six days and counting!

Goodbye!


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RE: Dredd (2012) - 15/1/2012 1:09:20 AM   
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Your posts are so relentlessly negative that I don't want to read any more. I'm taking the advice offered to others and clicking on 'block'.


Join the club. I've figured out that if we all block dreddhead then its likely he'll lose interest and troll some other forum.

Back on topic slightly it'd be nice to not have script excerpts posted on here. I'm not bothered about trailer spoilers etc but leaking script info is bullshit and fanboyism at its worse. Anyone else agree?

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 15/1/2012 1:51:43 AM   
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Just before I go here is the proof I'm not making this up:

Page sample screencap (copyright of DNA Films):

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5094/dreddfilmtext1.jpg

Ma-Ma blowjobbing Kay. That's what Garland wrote and everyone can click that link and see the page.

DNA expect fans to be happy with that sort of scene in a Judge Dredd film? Forget it, DNA. That sex scene is totally unnecessary. The screenplay is ugly and charmless . The only hope for Dredd 2012 is the action is violent and exciting enough to entice punters that like seeing stuff getting blown up. If they wanna see blowjobs and explosions perhaps Dredd 2012 will take some money but I reckon most fans will feel let down and view the film as a bitter disappointment. Perhaps the LA Times sums it up best:

quote:

Although he completed shooting the picture earlier this year, Travis has not been involved in the current editing phase of the movie, after creative disagreements with producers and executives in charge of the film reached a boiling point, said three people with knowledge of the production who asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to speak about the situation publicly. Although the specifics of the disagreement that led to Travis' dismissal are up for debate, two sources said it arose when Travis and producers and executives in charge of the production did not see eye-to-eye on footage Travis was delivering. A separate person involved in the film maintained that although Travis is no longer involved in postproduction, he is keeping up with progress via the Internet and has not been pushed aside.


I have gone!

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RE: Dredd (2012) - 15/1/2012 9:28:23 AM   
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I'm actaully starting to 'Dredd' this film.


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Dredd (2012) Went The Day Well? - 15/1/2012 11:29:02 AM   
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I'm not sure blowjobbing is a real verb, Scott.

That reminds me of the bit in Die Hardest when Bruce Willis realises a bank guard's a nasty forign terrorist because he says it's raining dogs and cats.





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Dredd (2012): No Escape - 15/1/2012 11:36:19 AM   
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jobloffski: (the confinement of the story) can be seen to be a proxy for the city itself ... (i)t's an even more complete 'symbol for the city' to depict a residential area from which there is no escape, Judges versus perps and everybody else caught in the crossfire.






Thanks for such a considered response, jobloffski. One of John Wagner's recurring themes is how escape from Megacity One is impossible.


Whether literally trying to escape from the city (Atlantis), from gang culture (Full Mental Jacket) or from the grinding boredom and anonymity of daily life (Citizen Snork); the dreams of Megacity One's inhabitants are routinely and mercilessly crushed.


In the context of that suffocating oppression, any criminal act can be understood as an attempt to escape the ultimate confinement- the all pervading laws and autocratic rule of the Judges. If the new film manages to put that up on screen, maybe I won't miss the big effects shots.











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RE: Dredd (2012): No Escape - 15/1/2012 11:49:07 AM   
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That not the final script draft by all accounts.

And aside from the scene that was on the story boards and this,thats about the only thing I know what' happens' so please keep using SPOLIER WARNINGS.



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RE: Dredd (2012) - 15/1/2012 11:28:05 PM   
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DNA expect fans to be happy with that sort of scene in a Judge Dredd film? Forget it, DNA. That sex scene is totally unnecessary. The screenplay is ugly and charmless .


They should have used your script, eh Scojo?

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RE: Dredd (2012): Chaos and Creation - 16/1/2012 1:50:43 AM   
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I am only replying cos you mentioned my screenplay. Technically speaking I have gone.

Well my two JD screenplays do have a bit of humour to them - unlike Garland's grim and dark screenplay. His screenplay is so dark you need a torch to read it.


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Dredd (2012): Trollhunter - 16/1/2012 10:36:56 AM   
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Spaldron: it'd be nice to not have script excerpts posted on here. I'm not bothered about trailer spoilers etc but leaking script info is bullshit and fanboyism at its worse. Anyone else agree?



I agree completely, but you'll never know that, Spaldron; you're blocking me because I'm a Troll.

I appreciate the efforts of all involved to carry out the preceeding argument without making it explicit (i) how that scene plays out; but I think I've pretty much got the jist of it, nevertheless.

I don't think learning of that isolated moment has ruined the scene (ii) or Dredd (2012) for me, but I'm keen to make sure that I don't discover exactly how Judy Garland's story plays out until I'm sitting in the pictures.

I've made the decision to avoid the Peach Trees script because- even if this September's papers all carry reviews with weakly punning titles like 'Dreddful!'- my long association with the Dredd strip means I'll want to see the film, regardless.

I haven't read any screenplay in advance of a film, but I know I've never enjoyed watching a film adaptation of a book I've previously read (iii), and I doubt it would be possible to judge Dredd (2012) on its own merits without experiencing it as an unfolding narrative (iv).


(i) Fnar!

(ii) Scenes that exploit Anderson's sexuality, or show her exploiting her sexuality, are as old as the finale of Judge Death Lives (no he doesn't), where Brian Bolland's clearly keeping himself interested during his allnight sessions at the drawing board by working in as many arse shots of Mrs Anderson's little girl as possible.

Over the course of Bolland's two introductory Anderson stories, the character goes from a fresh faced Nice Girl with a slightly drippy middle-parting; to a ravished, tousle-haired slattern in stripper heels. 

(iii) Although, the opposite is true: I've discovered lots of authors I enjoy through film adaptations of their work.

(iv) No sleight on those of you who've decided to read the script; but if I'd paid a tenner just to see how Karl Urban's kneepads look in 3D, I'd probably be watching the film while snacking on the Magic Beans I'd just traded my old Mum's best cow for.








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Dredd (2012): Moral Minority - 16/1/2012 10:37:50 AM   
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dreddhead123 the language is so f-ridden. Basically every perp says "fuck." I doubt there is one page of dialogue (with the cits) without the f word. It's fuck this and fuck that and fuck a duck I want to suck!

The screenplay has a lot of the f word. I would have preferred less ... three decades of Judge Dredd and we have to get a prostitute as the main villain in a new film? ... Judge Dredd is not known for fighting sex workers!

perhaps (the judges will) look like scruffy, unwashed SWAT-looking future cops with large goldfish bowls on their head.




I never realised Scott was so ... wholesome.

Has anyone considered that the arguments over the footage Travis was delivering- that led to his ejection from the edit suite- might have been because he wasn't giving them enough tits and ass?

I know I'd get a beamer asking an actress to whip them out for the lads.





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Dredd (2012): And I Was Worried Urban Might Take Off hi... - 16/1/2012 10:38:58 AM   
sauchieboy

 

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dreddhead123: in Garland's screenplay there is, for lack of a better way of putting it, a pornographic type sequence ... It does not serve the plot, it's there to turn the male viewers on. It's totally unnecessary - it's clearly misogynistic and it's not what Judge Dredd - the character and his world - is about. It's a nasty scene and there's no call for it in a Dredd film

Jobloffski: It's not a misogynist scene but one about a misogynist having the tables turned on him and if there is any titillation in the scene ... it is likely to be one of the bits of humour you seem to have clearly decided the film will not have



There's an inevitability about casting an attractive actress in a film that will be marketed to males aged 18-35 and someone asking her to make like Jenna Jameson. Remember that rule of storytelling your primary teacher explained to you: if your story describes a gun hanging on the wall, at some point that gun must be used? Film producers think the same rule applies to tits.

I'm unable to say whether that sequence is misogynistic in nature, since there's no objective criteria by which to measure such a charge. It's clear that the target of the humour is the male protagonist, but any man writing a scene that calls for an actress to present her naked body in the performance of a sex act knows exactly what he's doing and why (i).

Unlike Scott, I don't have any problem with sucking, fucking or felching in any film, but if I feel it's included on the presumption that I'm desperate for something to stroke-off to (ii), I'm inclined to wonder whether that doesn't demonstrate some insecurity on the part of the film-makers regarding the quality of the rest of their film.

Whether the scene under discussion should have been included in Dredd (2012) depends on whether it's any good and whether it works in the context of the rest of the film: an original and imaginative blowjob scene wouldn't have ruined Casablanca, but a full-cast orgy couldn't have saved Judge Dredd (1995).



(i) Exploitation cinema takes its name from the willingness of producers like Roger Corman to exploit whatever asset they had at their disposal, that they thought an audience might pay to see on screen, regardless of whether that asset was a customised car or a nubile actress. Sexual impropriety doesn't come into it: if it's on screen just because you think it'll put bums on seats, it's exploitation. There's no value judgment or criticism implicit in that assessment whatsoever, and only Garland knows why that scene's in the film.

(ii) There's no act so depraved that any one of us can't see it just by typing 'donkey/britneyspears' into the searchbox at the top right of our displays, so why anyone thinks talking their female cast into some softcore simulation will be box office dynamite anymore is beyond me.





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