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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 5:15:49 PM   
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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 13/1/2012 2:25:14 PM   
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Porn will mean that the boys learn to finish on faces or chests and not getting the girlies pregnant so much. More porn!

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 13/1/2012 2:27:53 PM   
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Porn will mean that the boys learn to finish on faces or chests and not getting the girlies pregnant so much. More porn!


And then all the girlies will watch it and become lesbians and the human race will cease to be. More porn!

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 13/1/2012 2:29:02 PM   
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Porn will mean that the boys learn to finish on faces or chests and not getting the girlies pregnant so much. More porn!


How very romantic

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 13/1/2012 2:34:04 PM   
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I would agree with the notion that the internet has changed older peoples attitudes towards sex.

According to work colleagues who have tried internet dating, it basically a legal sex service.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 14/1/2012 9:02:07 PM   
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I would agree with the notion that the internet has changed older peoples attitudes towards sex.

According to work colleagues who have tried internet dating, it basically a legal sex service.


Depends on the ones you use. I have friends who have had great success through 'plenty of fish', that seems a very genuine site although there's a fair amount of cretins on there apparently and you have to, well, 'fish' through the bullshitters first who are just after a quickie or a naked picture.

Then there are those ones like Adult Friend Finder, they're a completely different kettle of fish and yes, it seems, pretty much a legal sex service.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 14/1/2012 11:30:02 PM   
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It's kinda disappointing that a "sex service" has to be illegal to be honest

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 15/1/2012 12:11:52 AM   
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It's kinda disappointing that a "sex service" has to be illegal to be honest


Not in New Zealand!

I really can't think of a good argument for the criminalising or prohibiting of prostitution. Legalising it means consenting adults can engage in the sale of sex if they so choose without the threat of criminal action and also means that the government can regulate the industry, thus preventing or at least markedly diminishing instances of exploitation in the sex industry - instances that are far more likely in a criminalised/prohibited sex industry because it's been pushed underground and out of the view of the government.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 15/1/2012 12:14:20 AM   
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quote:

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It's kinda disappointing that a "sex service" has to be illegal to be honest


Not in New Zealand!

I really can't think of a good argument for the criminalising or prohibiting of prostitution. Legalising it means consenting adults can engage in the sale of sex if they so choose without the threat of criminal action and also means that the government can regulate the industry, thus preventing or at least markedly diminishing instances of exploitation in the sex industry - instances that are far more likely in a criminalised/prohibited sex industry because it's been pushed underground and out of the view of the government.


For those of you who sometimes struggle with PA's lexicon allow me to translate:

"Shagging is fucking awesome. If I have to pay for it then it should be safe for everyone. Plus the Government can tax it. If it's legal and taxed, bad stuff is less likely to happen"

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 15/1/2012 10:08:10 PM   
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quote:

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Then there are those ones like Adult Friend Finder, they're a completely different kettle of fish and yes, it seems, pretty much a legal sex service.


Well it's not really a sex service, just consenting adults consenting to frolics and such.


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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 15/1/2012 11:03:04 PM   
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I really can't think of a good argument for the criminalising or prohibiting of prostitution. Legalising it means consenting adults can engage in the sale of sex if they so choose without the threat of criminal action and also means that the government can regulate the industry, thus preventing or at least markedly diminishing instances of exploitation in the sex industry - instances that are far more likely in a criminalised/prohibited sex industry because it's been pushed underground and out of the view of the government.


Do you really think making it easy for people to sell their bodies purely for sex is the way to go?

I would suspect a great number of people in the sex trade aren't there for the love of it and we need to discourage people from seeing themselves purely as sexual objects. Sex isn't something that should be sold, its bad enough its constantly used to sell other commodities.


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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 9:15:26 AM   
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I think you're deliberately misunderstanding PA's post. Prostitution has always been and will always be around, there's no getting around that fact.

To legalise the industry would mean that the girls would be in less danger from pimps and drugs, they'd be more regulated. Regular health checks as well as a safe place to work out of, it would remove the stigma from those who do visit prostitutes, it would be taxable and would lead to a less behind the bike sheds view of sex.

No it's not the career choice most parents would want for their children but it would mean that those that do end up going down that route might have a safer and educators to help get them out of that work might be available in the legal brothel.

While I see your point about selling sex, it's not something you can wish away. It's happening, so make it safer for all involved.

There was a documentary on a while ago about prostitution in Holland, the idea of it being seedy men on stag nights looking for a quick shag before being married was so far away from the reality. There were brothels that specialised in "servicing" (for want of a better word) disabled people. Why should someone who finds it difficult to find someone to have a relationship with not be able to pay for sex?

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 9:32:15 AM   
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quote:

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I think you're deliberately misunderstanding PA's post. Prostitution has always been and will always be around, there's no getting around that fact.

To legalise the industry would mean that the girls would be in less danger from pimps and drugs, they'd be more regulated. Regular health checks as well as a safe place to work out of, it would remove the stigma from those who do visit prostitutes, it would be taxable and would lead to a less behind the bike sheds view of sex.

No it's not the career choice most parents would want for their children but it would mean that those that do end up going down that route might have a safer and educators to help get them out of that work might be available in the legal brothel.

While I see your point about selling sex, it's not something you can wish away. It's happening, so make it safer for all involved.

There was a documentary on a while ago about prostitution in Holland, the idea of it being seedy men on stag nights looking for a quick shag before being married was so far away from the reality. There were brothels that specialised in "servicing" (for want of a better word) disabled people. Why should someone who finds it difficult to find someone to have a relationship with not be able to pay for sex?


So much of that is spot on. There are many reasons to legalise prostitution. When I went to Uni in Hull there were at least 3 killings of prostitutes and apparently there have been some recently. I cant help but think that there is a good chance these girls wouldnt have died if the whole situation was regulated.

I also see sex as a basic right for adults. We all have a desire to have sex but for a variety of reasons a lot of people can't (disabilities and socially awkward people for example). To experience that basic human desire people have to break the law to get it. Like Funky, I watched a doc a while ago where a disabled man went to Holland where he could have sex with a prostitute.



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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 9:49:45 AM   
JIm R

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: borstal


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I think you're deliberately misunderstanding PA's post. Prostitution has always been and will always be around, there's no getting around that fact.

To legalise the industry would mean that the girls would be in less danger from pimps and drugs, they'd be more regulated. Regular health checks as well as a safe place to work out of, it would remove the stigma from those who do visit prostitutes, it would be taxable and would lead to a less behind the bike sheds view of sex.

No it's not the career choice most parents would want for their children but it would mean that those that do end up going down that route might have a safer and educators to help get them out of that work might be available in the legal brothel.

While I see your point about selling sex, it's not something you can wish away. It's happening, so make it safer for all involved.

There was a documentary on a while ago about prostitution in Holland, the idea of it being seedy men on stag nights looking for a quick shag before being married was so far away from the reality. There were brothels that specialised in "servicing" (for want of a better word) disabled people. Why should someone who finds it difficult to find someone to have a relationship with not be able to pay for sex?


So much of that is spot on. There are many reasons to legalise prostitution. When I went to Uni in Hull there were at least 3 killings of prostitutes and apparently there have been some recently. I cant help but think that there is a good chance these girls wouldnt have died if the whole situation was regulated.

I also see sex as a basic right for adults. We all have a desire to have sex but for a variety of reasons a lot of people can't (disabilities and socially awkward people for example). To experience that basic human desire people have to break the law to get it. Like Funky, I watched a doc a while ago where a disabled man went to Holland where he could have sex with a prostitute.




Is it though ? Not trying to be 'difficult', just seems a rather 'idelogical' view of the situation. It's not a 'right' as such.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 10:10:54 AM   
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Absolutely I see sex as a basic human need and in most cases right.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 10:36:39 AM   
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Yep, I with Borstal on that one. Sex is a very basic desire. It's an instinctive thing, we have a libido for a reason and not just for procreation otherwise there would be absolutely no such thing as masturbation.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 10:43:10 AM   
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Guys, not disputing that's it's not 'desire' as such to the human condition, but to see it as a 'right', a 'demand' that the body or soul should have regardless isn't correct. If you are in a relationship or want to have a one night stand and sex is part of that then all good but demanding sex from someone because it's a 'right' isn't on.  

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 10:48:03 AM   
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There's a difference between a demand and a right. It's every human being's right to have sex, yes absolutely. It's absolutely their right to have that physical connection with someone. To demand it, no, that's a difference. There is still a respect issue due and most people in their right minds would be able to tell the difference.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 10:51:31 AM   
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If one is fortunate to find love and have sex then wonderful good for the individual but it's not a right or a given to be in that situation. You cannot 'expect' to be in that scenario.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 10:55:31 AM   
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You're confusing love and sex. They're totally separate entities. I appreciate your views on this Jim, it's wonderful that for you that you can't have one without the other but that just isn't the fact of it I'm afraid. Don't get me wrong, I think your view is wonderfully romantic, but sex is not the same as love and it is a very basic human right.

EDIT: I would also point out here that it is usually one person in the relationship that initiates sex, the one who wants it more if you like. That's the way of it. That's not a demand, that's initiating the contact.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 11:00:31 AM   
JIm R

 

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You're confusing love and sex. They're totally separate entities. I appreciate your views on this Jim, it's wonderful that for you that you can't have one without the other but that just isn't the fact of it I'm afraid. Don't get me wrong, I think your view is wonderfully romantic, but sex is not the same as love and it is a very basic human right.


Your right Funky it is my view and it is a fact to me, appreciate I'm in the minority on this one.  

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 11:07:11 AM   
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Perhaps, to make it more palatable for Jim, one could say that people have a right to consensual sex? The 'right = demand' aspect seems to be what's tripping Jim up - everybody has a right to consensual sex but demanding sex means that you're severely compromising the other party's ability to consent and right to their own bodily autonomy, which, in this scenario, should always be the overriding right.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 11:29:53 AM   
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I also see sex as a basic right for adults. We all have a desire to have sex but for a variety of reasons a lot of people can't (disabilities and socially awkward people for example). To experience that basic human desire people have to break the law to get it.



Prostitution isn't against the law though, you could look up a lady in the Yellow Pages or something if you wanted sex.


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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 11:34:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: borstal

I also see sex as a basic right for adults. We all have a desire to have sex but for a variety of reasons a lot of people can't (disabilities and socially awkward people for example). To experience that basic human desire people have to break the law to get it.



Prostitution isn't against the law though, you could look up a lady in the Yellow Pages or something if you wanted sex.



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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 11:44:57 AM   
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People should have more sex. The world would be a better, happier place.

Lack of sex = bad attitude, misery & anger.
More sex = calm, happy people.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 11:45:38 AM   
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Sex is a human right?

Really?

I'm with Jim on this one. It reminds me where it is often stated that having children is a human right. I don't agree with that statement either.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 11:46:17 AM   
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People should have more sex. The world would be a better, happier place.

Lack of sex = bad attitude, misery & anger.
More sex = calm, happy people.


Boo, what about angry sex. There should always been room for angry sex.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 11:49:53 AM   
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I don't agree with the sentiment that sex is a basic human right. That is a dangerous road I think. It is more than a basic human right, it is a connection between two people and shouldn't boiled down to just being a right.

But I do agree with the opinion that sex and love are both very different things. You can be in love without experiencing sex with that person. Loving someone is more than what they are like in bed. Its laughter and time spent together and friendship. Sex when you love the person is amazing, but sex with someone you are not in love with can be fun, but there is always going to be that extremely intimate connection between the two that will never go away.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 5:41:43 PM   
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Although I get the idea of what's being said I don't think that sex being a human right would ever sit well with me, desire, urge, without a doubt. The notion of it being a basic human right makes it sound like a loophole for someone on a rape charge.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 16/1/2012 7:52:20 PM   
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Again, as PA as pointed out, there seems to be some kind of confusion. Nobody is stating anywhere that there is a right to rape, but there is a right to consensual sex.

Sex is as much of a basic instinct as eating or breathing. We've added rules and regulations to it over the thousands of years - and rightly so - but to not accept that everybody has a right to have consensual sex is extraordinarily discriminatory.

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