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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 2:00:33 PM   
Chief


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I'm not quite sure where easily accessible pornography ties in with people being more promiscuous. If anything it means you masturbate more, not go out and find other people to do it with.



That's what I was thinking when it said teenage pregnancy was at an all time low. Teenage boys are spending more time in their room trying to impregnate tissues and football socks.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 2:02:09 PM   
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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 2:22:28 PM   
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Would this be a good thread to tie in to the sexualisation of women in the general media?
No, sorry I guess I'll get down off my soapbox then.

Personally I think some youngsters have always been promiscuous however I think it is more acceptable socially to be known to have had more partners now than its ever been. Certainly in the older limits of teenagers, on the other end of the scale I seem to remember a recent survey stating that the number of 16 year old boys asked if they were sexually active had actually decreased recently. Which is a surprise, especially given how prone lads are to embellish experiences at this age.

One thing that I think can't be denied is that pornography is now easier to see/get hold of. When I was growing up, it was a discarded mag found on the waste ground, or someone's dad's video tape. What you didn't get was access to it in a normal everyday environment. Now you can have young people looking at really graphic video footage whenever they like, in the comfort of their own room in-between your homework tabs.

In a related note, I've got to say if my Daughter gets a serious boyfriend prior to being 16 I'll have no problem telling him that if I found out they were having sex he would be reported, which might cause a few problems for him throughout his life.
I think parents of daughter have to be more wary of these issues simply because of the obvious problem that teenage pregnancy has more of an effect on a girls life, than a boy.




Good points there Bob. The internet has just enabled people who are already prone to 'sexual deviancy' (oh how quaint) to indulge in it even more. The only thing of interest in that article is how 'webcam sex' has provided some with a new sexual practice, although it's just a further step from phone sex. Fits under telecommunications sex....or something.


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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 2:25:16 PM   
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Mad Men has taught me that things weren't always that rosy in the marital home in the Fifties.


But Mad Men hasn't taught you anything about the fifties. [/annoyingpedant]


The fifties were the same as the sixties. The only difference was that the music was better in the sixties.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 4:32:55 PM   
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Still a big thing about the whole going on the pill as a contraceptive still being bandied about. There's no end of teenage girls that actually have to go on "the pill" because it regulates periods. Being happy to go on the pill is definitely the case, (not necessarily for contraception - after having taught sex ed in schools, believe me kids are very clued up on what is and what isn't good contraception. There's a myth about girls still thinking that holding an aspirin between your knees is the best to not have a baby) to help regulate things. Teenage girls are probably the nastiest creatures out there and suddenly being caught short with a period in full flow during P.E is something that will never be lived down. Quite a few parents I know have had their daughters put on the pill to avoid such an eventuality.



Well that's completely understandable but I'm talking more about girls between the ages of 18 and 25 who made the decision to go on the pill because they think it's deemed more socially acceptable and they are more likely to be attractive to males. I'm not saying young people don't know what the better forms of contraception are (I've personally never heard of that myth about the aspririn), I'm saying that more young people are happy, or maybe ignorant enough, to take the risks. I think maybe that's part of the reason why in the last decade or so there has been an incline in unplanned pregancies amongst young people.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 4:56:38 PM   
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Here's the thing, though - even if young peoples' attitudes to sex have been changed by the internet (which I'm not convinced of for the reasons Olaf has already very eloquently outlined), why is this a bad thing? There's nothing inherently harmful about sex as long as you're using the proper contraception. As long as these young people are educated in the contraception that's available to them and the vast majority makes informed decisions about the sex they have (which seems to be the case if the article that Olaf linked to about teen pregnancies in the UK being at a 30-year low) then surely a more liberal approach to sex and sexuality is in fact a healthy and alright thing to promote, because it encourages people to be more open about the decisions they make regarding sex and removes a lot of the stigma surrounding pre-marital sexual activity that a conservative view of sex and sexuality can create.


Family breakdown. Sex isnt just about being careful with contraception. It causes emotional heartbreak when because of increased sexual appetite people cheat on their partners.

This and viewing Porn, IMO, shows a complete lack of respect of your partner and their dignity.


Again, actual facts are helpful: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8485132.stm

And the more open attitudes to sex that PA is referring to - as he specifically states - is premarital activity and isn't the same as infidelity. Your argument also doesn't cover the fact that a lot of partners watch porn together.

EDIT: there was actually an increase in filed divorces in the UK in 2010 - a reverse of the trend of the last few decades, with 2009 being the lowest year since the mid-70s. However (particularly important this bit), 18745 people cited adultery as grounds for divorce in 2010, compared to 44036 in 1990, a decrease of 57%. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/jan/28/divorce-rates-marriage-ons

There's really nothing (beyond dodgy anecdotal evidence and prejudiced views on the issue obv) to support the notion that the internet has done anything to increase sexual appetites, make young people more sexually irresponsible or enable infidelity to a greater degree than before. If anything, it's done the opposite.

< Message edited by Olaf -- 12/1/2012 8:18:57 AM >


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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 7:38:51 PM   
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Here's the thing, though - even if young peoples' attitudes to sex have been changed by the internet (which I'm not convinced of for the reasons Olaf has already very eloquently outlined), why is this a bad thing? There's nothing inherently harmful about sex as long as you're using the proper contraception. As long as these young people are educated in the contraception that's available to them and the vast majority makes informed decisions about the sex they have (which seems to be the case if the article that Olaf linked to about teen pregnancies in the UK being at a 30-year low) then surely a more liberal approach to sex and sexuality is in fact a healthy and alright thing to promote, because it encourages people to be more open about the decisions they make regarding sex and removes a lot of the stigma surrounding pre-marital sexual activity that a conservative view of sex and sexuality can create.


Family breakdown. Sex isnt just about being careful with contraception. It causes emotional heartbreak when because of increased sexual appetite people cheat on their partners.

This and viewing Porn, IMO, shows a complete lack of respect of your partner and their dignity.


Again, actual facts are helpful: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8485132.stm

And the more open attitudes to sex that PA is referring to - as he specifically states - is premarital activity and isn't the same as infidelity. Your argument also doesn't cover the fact that a lot of partners watch porn together.


Cue Shool's head exploding

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 9:53:00 PM   
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An interesting point raised here, especially considering how prolific the porn industry in Japan is

Japanese not interested in having sex - clicky!

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 10:23:13 PM   
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An interesting point raised here, especially considering how prolific the porn industry in Japan is

Japanese not interested in having sex - clicky!


Indeed, but even on the rare occasion a Japanese woman is about to be married, she still likes to celebrate her hentai.


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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 10:30:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shool


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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army

Here's the thing, though - even if young peoples' attitudes to sex have been changed by the internet (which I'm not convinced of for the reasons Olaf has already very eloquently outlined), why is this a bad thing? There's nothing inherently harmful about sex as long as you're using the proper contraception. As long as these young people are educated in the contraception that's available to them and the vast majority makes informed decisions about the sex they have (which seems to be the case if the article that Olaf linked to about teen pregnancies in the UK being at a 30-year low) then surely a more liberal approach to sex and sexuality is in fact a healthy and alright thing to promote, because it encourages people to be more open about the decisions they make regarding sex and removes a lot of the stigma surrounding pre-marital sexual activity that a conservative view of sex and sexuality can create.


Family breakdown. Sex isnt just about being careful with contraception. It causes emotional heartbreak when because of increased sexual appetite people cheat on their partners.

This and viewing Porn, IMO, shows a complete lack of respect of your partner and their dignity.


But people have always cheated on their partners. That's nothing new.


Not new, but more prevalent I would say.



But what's that got to do with teenagers having sex (responsibly in a lot of cases, as Pigeon Army said) or viewing porn?
Being educated about sex or watching the odd bit of grumble doesn't make you an adulterer.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 10:53:11 PM   
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This may be because most "training films" that I see appear to demonstrate that a woman's reproductive organ is her face.




This says more about you than it does about the pornographic industry on the whole.


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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 10:21:36 AM   
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I don't think young people's attitude or any people's attitude to sex has changed because of the Internet or more specifically Internet porn. I would say its the opposite, with the Internet being influenced more by the people, with Internet porn being a by-product of society becoming more open and sexually aware. It's a Multi-billion dollar industry thats caters to people's desires, and given some of the shit out there we can definately say there are some real twisted fcks out there !

Is it more to do with equal rights. Women and men being more career motivated, people wanting and being able to travel anywhere and see the world. My mother and father were married with a child at 19 years old, some might argue but was that seen as the norm back then ? Leave school, get a job, get married, have kids. Some people don't want that shit. All im saying is Society in generel is just far more open, I'm not sure you can can blame one thing, or if there is even a problem at all.

If I had a son I would much rather he poke everything that moved than lock himself in a bedroom and stroke one off to dwarf porn !!

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 10:43:12 AM   
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If I had a son I would much rather he poke everything that moved than lock himself in a bedroom and stroke one off to dwarf porn !!


What about if you had a daughter?

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 10:57:45 AM   
Dirk Miggler


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If I had a son I would much rather he poke everything that moved than lock himself in a bedroom and stroke one off to dwarf porn !!


What about if you had a daughter?


Errrr, walked into that one didn't I

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 11:02:38 AM   
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If I had a son I would much rather he poke everything that moved than lock himself in a bedroom and stroke one off to dwarf porn !!


What about if you had a daughter?


Daughters tend not to share boys' fascination with dwarf-based bongo.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 11:10:28 AM   
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If I had a son I would much rather he poke everything that moved than lock himself in a bedroom and stroke one off to dwarf porn !!


What about if you had a daughter?


Daughters tend not to share boys' fascination with dwarf-based bongo.


I would imagine a parent shivers in fear at the thought of their daughter becoming a raging nymph. One could only hope their bongo is of the "safe" variety !

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 12:28:42 PM   
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I would echo Flatulent Bob's and galvatron's comments.

Several of the parents that I know are concerned that the ready availability of online porn in these 21st century times and its nature, is resulting in a situation where an increased number of teenage boys are viewing material that depicts the fairer sex as being game for…ahum… more "adventurous activities", shall we say, rather than "conventional" sex.

The position that is resulting is that the lads are expecting their teenaged girlfriends to provide them with the same array of "services" as the "actresses" they have watched performing on their monitors for years and teenage girls are experiencing increasing pressure to perform (for fear of being labelled "frigid" - man, I do not miss peer pressure) as these lads would expect, before they've even begun to learn about and enjoy the act of sex. As I understand it (and as my vague recollection supports) back in the simple 20th century, teenage boys would have milder expectations; being exposed as they were, to only the odd, grimy magazine discarded in a hedge (ah the sudden joy of such a discovery when out on a bike ride) and the occasional grainy VHS, presenting a well-endowed German schmoozing a bored housewife, inbetween undertaking vital boiler repairs...

So, whilst it's not my understanding that t'interweb is creating the society of promiscuous, amoral, teenage criminals that the media like to jump up and down about under headlines such as SICK! FILTH! IMMORAL!!, the ready availability of the material these days and its unrealistic nature (at least in my sad experience!) is having an adverse effect upon the expectations of teenage boys and the pressure they put on teenage girls. Something, that if true, does concern me, now I have a daughter. Anyone else aware of this supposed phenomenon?


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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 12:49:25 PM   
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Could someone pm me a dwarf porn link? Looking for a bit of variety in my life.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 12:58:30 PM   
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I would echo Flatulent Bob's and galvatron's comments.

Several of the parents that I know are concerned that the ready availability of online porn in these 21st century times and its nature, is resulting in a situation where an increased number of teenage boys are viewing material that depicts the fairer sex as being game for…ahum… more "adventurous activities", shall we say, rather than "conventional" sex.



If this genuinely a 'concern' that parents talk about amongst each other then they're just as fucking weird as their hairy-amputee-midget-obssessed child.



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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 1:10:53 PM   
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I think we can all agree that yes porn is more available. But the tools used to view this vile depravity are just been thrown at kids without a second thought, or so it seems. I've seen kids of 11yrs walking around with Iphones, HTC phones, they probably got an IPad for Christmas as well.

The wife's 13yr old sister, sometimes It's like WTF ! Honestly some of the clothes she wears, and the parents let her wear them. Crazy ! and you see it everywhere, everyday.

I'm in no way directing this at any parent on here but this shit does happen and I find it unbelievable.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 1:25:41 PM   
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Could someone pm me a dwarf porn link? Looking for a bit of variety in my life.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I3W16jUse8

Bit of an orgy like.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 2:11:37 PM   
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I would echo Flatulent Bob's and galvatron's comments.

Several of the parents that I know are concerned that the ready availability of online porn in these 21st century times and its nature, is resulting in a situation where an increased number of teenage boys are viewing material that depicts the fairer sex as being game for…ahum… more "adventurous activities", shall we say, rather than "conventional" sex.



If this genuinely a 'concern' that parents talk about amongst each other then they're just as fucking weird as their hairy-amputee-midget-obssessed child.





Yeah, absolute madness; parents contemplating with their friends, who happen to be other parents, whether to give a fuck that the hormonally-charged little bastards planning to use their daughters as sperm dumpsters might (or might not) be seeking to do so in a way objectifies the girls and pays scant regard to their concerns and youthful insecurities. Whatever next? Perhaps issues of education, welfare and safety might be trotted out over the coffee and biscuits. Screw it, we'll just watch the footie and not give a shit...

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 2:15:21 PM   
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I think the parents have been watching too much porn.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 2:20:32 PM   
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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 2:32:46 PM   
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Tis true. I have a severe case of scrote throat.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 2:43:31 PM   
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Is that like gash rash for homosexuals?

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 2:48:09 PM   
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Uber Throaty Bollocks perhaps. But unlike Newt, they're out all day...mewstly.


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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 3:03:13 PM   
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I would echo Flatulent Bob's and galvatron's comments.

Several of the parents that I know are concerned that the ready availability of online porn in these 21st century times and its nature, is resulting in a situation where an increased number of teenage boys are viewing material that depicts the fairer sex as being game for…ahum… more "adventurous activities", shall we say, rather than "conventional" sex.



If this genuinely a 'concern' that parents talk about amongst each other then they're just as fucking weird as their hairy-amputee-midget-obssessed child.





Yeah, absolute madness; parents contemplating with their friends, who happen to be other parents, whether to give a fuck that the hormonally-charged little bastards planning to use their daughters as sperm dumpsters might (or might not) be seeking to do so in a way objectifies the girls and pays scant regard to their concerns and youthful insecurities. Whatever next? Perhaps issues of education, welfare and safety might be trotted out over the coffee and biscuits. Screw it, we'll just watch the footie and not give a shit...


Is that the same as a bin?

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 5:08:41 PM   
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Lock up your cats, dogs and verticaly challenged daughters the pornography watching youth are on the prowl !

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 12/1/2012 5:10:19 PM   
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And they're spunking in your rubbish bins!

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