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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 10/1/2012 11:25:36 PM   
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The 'worth' of sex and ideals that stand within it are diminished I believe with the internet. I know my views on sex and love are deemed to be 'old fashined' and romantisised to a certain degree but the element of love being part of sex seems to have decreased that's to it's introduction.


Going to disagree with you completely here. It's actually extremely fashionable now to wear purity rings and maintain abstinence until marriage. Thanks Disney, you've completely managed to screw with people's heads on a far more personal level. According to that rule, you can have anal as that isn't losing your virginity.



I'm sorry but this is bollocks. Maybe you are living in the States, I don't know. But here in the UK abstinence is generally looked upon as being weird and strange and unhealthy.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 12:07:54 AM   
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I'm sorry but this is bollocks. Maybe you are living in the States, I don't know. But here in the UK abstinence is generally looked upon as being weird and strange and unhealthy.


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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 12:24:47 AM   
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The 'worth' of sex and ideals that stand within it are diminished I believe with the internet. I know my views on sex and love are deemed to be 'old fashined' and romantisised to a certain degree but the element of love being part of sex seems to have decreased that's to it's introduction.


Going to disagree with you completely here. It's actually extremely fashionable now to wear purity rings and maintain abstinence until marriage. Thanks Disney, you've completely managed to screw with people's heads on a far more personal level. According to that rule, you can have anal as that isn't losing your virginity.



I'm sorry but this is bollocks. Maybe you are living in the States, I don't know. But here in the UK abstinence is generally looked upon as being weird and strange and unhealthy.


Thats because it is weird and strange and unhealthy.


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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 2:48:17 AM   
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Would this be a good thread to tie in to the sexualisation of women in the general media?
No, sorry I guess I'll get down off my soapbox then.

Personally I think some youngsters have always been promiscuous however I think it is more acceptable socially to be known to have had more partners now than its ever been. Certainly in the older limits of teenagers, on the other end of the scale I seem to remember a recent survey stating that the number of 16 year old boys asked if they were sexually active had actually decreased recently. Which is a surprise, especially given how prone lads are to embellish experiences at this age.

One thing that I think can't be denied is that pornography is now easier to see/get hold of. When I was growing up, it was a disgarded mag found on the waste ground, or someone's dad's video tape. What you didn't get was access to it in a normal everyday environment. Now you can have young people looking at really graphic video footage whenever they like, in the comfort of their own room in-between your homework tabs.

In a related note, I've got to say if my Daughter gets a serious boyfriend prior to being 16 I'll have no problem telling him that if I found out they were having sex he would be reported, which might cause a few problems for him throughout his life.
I think parents of daughter have to be more wary of these issues simply because of the obvious problem that teenage pregnancy has more of an effect on a girls life, than a boy.




That's pretty much spot-on.

It's socially acceptable nowadays to have many more sexual partners than it was in the day when my parents were teenagers, I think you'll also find with those questionaires distributed in schools asking teenagers about their sexual activities, that they are not very accurate, due to a number of false claims and an incredible amount of dicking around, usually by the males in the class. Pornography has always existed but it is never been as freely avaliable as it is nowadays, television watersheds almost seem pointless given what children of any age can access on the internet, and let's be honest how many parents can hold their hands across their hearts and say they know absolutely everything their up to 16 years old children access on the internet, most of these kids are pretty good at finding the history tab and clicking delete as well.

To be frank when it comes to the issue of unprotected sex amongst teenagers, I really don't understand, and I can't make it more plainer than this, why more teenage men, and frankly other men as well, don't simply use a condom. I don't know whether it's just in my own personal experiences but it seems more and more young girls are "just happy" to go on the pill and have done with it, the pill is a less failproof form of contraception because the obvious risk of STDs aside, it is reliant on the person taking it doing it correctly and within the right timeframe, often you hear stories of girls falling pregnant "when they were supposedly on the pill," and I'll be as open as I'm ever going to be with that one, my sister's one of them.

I always think it's quite a mysoginisitic attitude to assume that your girlfriend or sexual partner is just going to get on the pill, with my girlfriends it's something we've discussed further down the road when we're in a more solid relationship, that doesn't seem to happen much these days, or certainly not in the circle of people I know anyway and that is a sign of the times changing.

And if my daughter, or niece for that matter, was having a serious relationship prior to 16 I would be exactly the same as Bob. I'm not going to beat around the bush, I've watched these things happened to the forementioned member of my family, I have no problem with a girl relation of mine having a boyfriend that age because I did and we can't all pretend we wouldn't have, but sex is illegal before the age of 16, simple as, and given what I've seen with some of the younger teenagers I know I would be concerned enough to make that point.


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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 10:30:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JIm R

The 'worth' of sex and ideals that stand within it are diminished I believe with the internet. I know my views on sex and love are deemed to be 'old fashined' and romantisised to a certain degree but the element of love being part of sex seems to have decreased that's to it's introduction.


Going to disagree with you completely here. It's actually extremely fashionable now to wear purity rings and maintain abstinence until marriage. Thanks Disney, you've completely managed to screw with people's heads on a far more personal level. According to that rule, you can have anal as that isn't losing your virginity.



I'm sorry but this is bollocks. Maybe you are living in the States, I don't know. But here in the UK abstinence is generally looked upon as being weird and strange and unhealthy.


No, not in the slightest, but as for that generalisation after having worked in quite a few secondary schools I can assure you that purity rings and abstinence are very much on the rise.

As for it being weird, strange and unhealthy. It is.

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To be frank when it comes to the issue of unprotected sex amongst teenagers, I really don't understand, and I can't make it more plainer than this, why more teenage men, and frankly other men as well, don't simply use a condom. I don't know whether it's just in my own personal experiences but it seems more and more young girls are "just happy" to go on the pill and have done with it, the pill is a less failproof form of contraception because the obvious risk of STDs aside, it is reliant on the person taking it doing it correctly and within the right timeframe, often you hear stories of girls falling pregnant "when they were supposedly on the pill," and I'll be as open as I'm ever going to be with that one, my sister's one of them.


Still a big thing about the whole going on the pill as a contraceptive still being bandied about. There's no end of teenage girls that actually have to go on "the pill" because it regulates periods. Being happy to go on the pill is definitely the case, (not necessarily for contraception - after having taught sex ed in schools, believe me kids are very clued up on what is and what isn't good contraception. There's a myth about girls still thinking that holding an aspirin between your knees is the best to not have a baby) to help regulate things. Teenage girls are probably the nastiest creatures out there and suddenly being caught short with a period in full flow during P.E is something that will never be lived down. Quite a few parents I know have had their daughters put on the pill to avoid such an eventuality.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 11:10:21 AM   
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Here's the thing, though - even if young peoples' attitudes to sex have been changed by the internet (which I'm not convinced of for the reasons Olaf has already very eloquently outlined), why is this a bad thing? There's nothing inherently harmful about sex as long as you're using the proper contraception. As long as these young people are educated in the contraception that's available to them and the vast majority makes informed decisions about the sex they have (which seems to be the case if the article that Olaf linked to about teen pregnancies in the UK being at a 30-year low) then surely a more liberal approach to sex and sexuality is in fact a healthy and alright thing to promote, because it encourages people to be more open about the decisions they make regarding sex and removes a lot of the stigma surrounding pre-marital sexual activity that a conservative view of sex and sexuality can create.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 12:14:24 PM   
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Here's the thing, though - even if young peoples' attitudes to sex have been changed by the internet (which I'm not convinced of for the reasons Olaf has already very eloquently outlined), why is this a bad thing? There's nothing inherently harmful about sex as long as you're using the proper contraception. As long as these young people are educated in the contraception that's available to them and the vast majority makes informed decisions about the sex they have (which seems to be the case if the article that Olaf linked to about teen pregnancies in the UK being at a 30-year low) then surely a more liberal approach to sex and sexuality is in fact a healthy and alright thing to promote, because it encourages people to be more open about the decisions they make regarding sex and removes a lot of the stigma surrounding pre-marital sexual activity that a conservative view of sex and sexuality can create.


Family breakdown. Sex isnt just about being careful with contraception. It causes emotional heartbreak when because of increased sexual appetite people cheat on their partners.

This and viewing Porn, IMO, shows a complete lack of respect of your partner and their dignity.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 12:16:21 PM   
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Here's the thing, though - even if young peoples' attitudes to sex have been changed by the internet (which I'm not convinced of for the reasons Olaf has already very eloquently outlined), why is this a bad thing? There's nothing inherently harmful about sex as long as you're using the proper contraception. As long as these young people are educated in the contraception that's available to them and the vast majority makes informed decisions about the sex they have (which seems to be the case if the article that Olaf linked to about teen pregnancies in the UK being at a 30-year low) then surely a more liberal approach to sex and sexuality is in fact a healthy and alright thing to promote, because it encourages people to be more open about the decisions they make regarding sex and removes a lot of the stigma surrounding pre-marital sexual activity that a conservative view of sex and sexuality can create.


This may be because most "training films" that I see appear to demonstrate that a woman's reproductive organ is her face.



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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 12:17:36 PM   
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Here's the thing, though - even if young peoples' attitudes to sex have been changed by the internet (which I'm not convinced of for the reasons Olaf has already very eloquently outlined), why is this a bad thing? There's nothing inherently harmful about sex as long as you're using the proper contraception. As long as these young people are educated in the contraception that's available to them and the vast majority makes informed decisions about the sex they have (which seems to be the case if the article that Olaf linked to about teen pregnancies in the UK being at a 30-year low) then surely a more liberal approach to sex and sexuality is in fact a healthy and alright thing to promote, because it encourages people to be more open about the decisions they make regarding sex and removes a lot of the stigma surrounding pre-marital sexual activity that a conservative view of sex and sexuality can create.


Family breakdown. Sex isnt just about being careful with contraception. It causes emotional heartbreak when because of increased sexual appetite people cheat on their partners.

This and viewing Porn, IMO, shows a complete lack of respect of your partner and their dignity.


But people have always cheated on their partners. That's nothing new.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 12:19:57 PM   
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Here's the thing, though - even if young peoples' attitudes to sex have been changed by the internet (which I'm not convinced of for the reasons Olaf has already very eloquently outlined), why is this a bad thing? There's nothing inherently harmful about sex as long as you're using the proper contraception. As long as these young people are educated in the contraception that's available to them and the vast majority makes informed decisions about the sex they have (which seems to be the case if the article that Olaf linked to about teen pregnancies in the UK being at a 30-year low) then surely a more liberal approach to sex and sexuality is in fact a healthy and alright thing to promote, because it encourages people to be more open about the decisions they make regarding sex and removes a lot of the stigma surrounding pre-marital sexual activity that a conservative view of sex and sexuality can create.


Family breakdown. Sex isnt just about being careful with contraception. It causes emotional heartbreak when because of increased sexual appetite people cheat on their partners.

This and viewing Porn, IMO, shows a complete lack of respect of your partner and their dignity.


But people have always cheated on their partners. That's nothing new.


Not new, but more prevalent I would say.


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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 12:22:58 PM   
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I know we've been on this merry-go-round before in relation to a different argument. It isn't any more prevalent, it's just talked about more. We're far more open to admitting that either we've cheated or our partners have than has ever been had before.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 12:27:58 PM   
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Not convinced. In the slightest.
Even if I look at anecdotal evidence, I see alot more people around me splitting up due to infidelity.

I guess I would just be happier living in the fifties.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 12:31:36 PM   
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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 12:32:36 PM   
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When the only way you could get divorced was due to infidelity.

You have to remember, back then women weren't able to own homes and certainly weren't able to earn enough to maintain a home on their own so they stayed within a relationship that wasn't happy. If a man admitted to cheating he could potentially lose a lot so couples stayed together out of a mutual need rather than any desire to keep the relationship going.

It was common knowledge that my granddad was having affairs, my nan stayed with him because that's what women did then. It wasn't until the late sixties when my nan was able to get a decent paying job that she finally said enough was enough. She wasn't alone in that, there were thousands of women who went through the same thing.

Sweeping it under the carpet was the done thing.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 12:43:16 PM   
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When the only way you could get divorced was due to infidelity.

You have to remember, back then women weren't able to own homes and certainly weren't able to earn enough to maintain a home on their own so they stayed within a relationship that wasn't happy. If a man admitted to cheating he could potentially lose a lot so couples stayed together out of a mutual need rather than any desire to keep the relationship going.

It was common knowledge that my granddad was having affairs, my nan stayed with him because that's what women did then. It wasn't until the late sixties when my nan was able to get a decent paying job that she finally said enough was enough. She wasn't alone in that, there were thousands of women who went through the same thing.

Sweeping it under the carpet was the done thing.


Not disputing any of this. I'm just saying I think it happens more now.
That and I dont think the internet helps. People want what they absorb through their eyes and ears. The advertising industry wouldnt be worth billions if that wasnt the case.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 12:52:17 PM   
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Here's the thing, though - even if young peoples' attitudes to sex have been changed by the internet (which I'm not convinced of for the reasons Olaf has already very eloquently outlined), why is this a bad thing? There's nothing inherently harmful about sex as long as you're using the proper contraception. As long as these young people are educated in the contraception that's available to them and the vast majority makes informed decisions about the sex they have (which seems to be the case if the article that Olaf linked to about teen pregnancies in the UK being at a 30-year low) then surely a more liberal approach to sex and sexuality is in fact a healthy and alright thing to promote, because it encourages people to be more open about the decisions they make regarding sex and removes a lot of the stigma surrounding pre-marital sexual activity that a conservative view of sex and sexuality can create.


This may be because most "training films" that I see appear to demonstrate that a woman's reproductive organ is her face.




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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 12:55:36 PM   
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I have lots and lots of thoughts on this matter but find myself unable to adequately express them.

Either way, I love that abstinence is hipster.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 12:57:13 PM   
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Here's the thing, though - even if young peoples' attitudes to sex have been changed by the internet (which I'm not convinced of for the reasons Olaf has already very eloquently outlined), why is this a bad thing?


Take a look at this guys work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Cline

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According to Cline, pornography can plunge a person into the pornography cycle of addiction, escalation, desensitization and acting out sexually. The cost of addiction includes "divorce, loss of family and problems with the law," and it escalates so that the addict requires more deviancy in order to get a "high" or "sexual turn-on."[8][9]


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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 1:01:10 PM   
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Attitudes on sex from a mormon?

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 1:01:41 PM   
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Well, he's clearly talking bollocks as none of that has happened to me or, I imagine, the 99.9% of other men that watch porn. Problems with the law?!

Also, what's he classing as deviancy? Light spanking? Dirty talk? Whip and harness?

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 1:07:00 PM   
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Have I just invalidated my arguement?

Mormon or not, he's an expert in the field.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 1:08:59 PM   
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Have I just invalidated my arguement?

Mormon or not, he's an expert in the field.


Of what? Being a Mormon...

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 1:10:06 PM   
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He's a co-founder of the Lighted Candle Society, an organisation dedicated to the eradication of pornography so he would say it leads to a life of crime and deviancy...

http://www.thelightedcandlesociety.org/

Argument INVALIDATED.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 1:10:29 PM   
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Have I just invalidated my arguement?

Mormon or not, he's an expert in the field.


I'm sure he is, now how many wives does he have?

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 1:11:20 PM   
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Alright. Maybe he's slightly biased.

Carry on.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 1:15:35 PM   
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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 1:15:43 PM   
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I'm not quite sure where easily accessible pornography ties in with people being more promiscuous. If anything it means you masturbate more, not go out and find other people to do it with.

But yes, the internet has probably changed the way in which people think about sex. Those looking for a confidence boost like the woman in the article probably feel a lot safer about it these days as with social media you can 'get to know' someone before acting upon it as opposed to reading personals in the newspapers.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 1:56:57 PM   
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I'm not quite sure where easily accessible pornography ties in with people being more promiscuous. If anything it means you masturbate more, not go out and find other people to do it with.


It's about attitudes towards women, about how you view them.

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 1:58:49 PM   
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I'm not quite sure where easily accessible pornography ties in with people being more promiscuous. If anything it means you masturbate more, not go out and find other people to do it with.


It's about attitudes towards women, about how you view them.


What about women who like porn?

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RE: Young people's attitudes to sex 'changed' by internet - 11/1/2012 1:59:04 PM   
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I'm not quite sure where easily accessible pornography ties in with people being more promiscuous. If anything it means you masturbate more, not go out and find other people to do it with.



I can vouch for this, unfortunately. : (


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