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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 19/1/2012 11:23:36 AM   
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another downgraded one i noticed was Star Trek II. It was a 15 on vhs for years but 12 for the SE dvd

odd as i recall seeing it at the cinema and im certain it was PG so some extra gore scenes mustve been added for the VHS uncut version that tipped it to 15 (ceti eels?)

it was cool having a 15 rated star trek movie for a while though


I don't think anything was added for the home video release. The reason some movies got higher certificates for home release than they did at the cinema was to do with accesibility. It was generally thought that it would be easier for kids to get hold of unsuitable material at home and from local rental shops, so they hiked up certifications on some ome releases to try and prevent it. Not sure if Wrath of Khan was one of those though? I seem to recall this practice carrying on into the late 90's - Starship Trooper was I beleive a 15 cinema release, but 18 on home video/dvd.

Anyway, regards lack of 18 cert films, I was really hoping that with a smaller budget and the directors of Crank on the case, that Ghost Rider 2 would just go batshit crazy and churn out an 18 rated piece of madness, sadly.... 12A. Shouldn't be fucking surprised.


There's also the old pause-rewind-play-repeat factor. At the cinema you only see it once, but you can watch the violent/sexy bits to your heart's content at home, and that factor must play in deciding on the home release certification.


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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 19/1/2012 11:53:46 AM   
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Just read (here on Empire) that Chuck Norris squeezed The Expendables 2 down to a PG-13. What the hey! Really hope there's an uncut Blu-ray/DVD.


yes Stallone has said its PG13 so will prob be 12A or maybe 15 in UK
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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 7/3/2012 10:05:08 AM   
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It really annoys me that, it be an 18 and have swearing and violence in it. It's part of the film a bunch of hard ass guys who kill bad guys for a living or to rescue people of course there is going to be swearing in it. Isn't Norris being a bit hypocritical about having in most of the movies I've seen him in has swore in them.
But on the other hand the inbetweeners despite being an 15 got away with an awful lot.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 7/3/2012 11:05:49 AM   
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It really annoys me that, it be an 18 and have swearing and violence in it. It's part of the film a bunch of hard ass guys who kill bad guys for a living or to rescue people of course there is going to be swearing in it. Isn't Norris being a bit hypocritical about having in most of the movies I've seen him in has swore in them.
But on the other hand the inbetweeners despite being an 15 got away with an awful lot.


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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 10/5/2013 1:13:07 AM   
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I am over 18 now, so I have the freedom to watch whatever I want and do not bother taking the ratings seriously. Although, I think it helps that not many films have the 18 rating because it does restrict a lot of younger viewers from seeing the film. There are also 18 rated films that I'm sure tempted a lot of younger viewers, like Blade, Robocop, Alien, Kill Bill, A Nightmare on Elm Street, etc. The 18 rating seems a lot more cautious than a 15 to most parents because it indicates that the film will contain adult content and results in depriving youngsters from watching those films.

So I am glad that not many films today are rated 18, since I try putting myself in the shoes of those who are much younger and still not allowed to legally watch 18 rated films. I remember getting away with my first 18 rated film when I was 12 which was Face/Off, but my mum had to ask others if it was fine for a kid my age to watch it before letting me see it. After they told her it's not that bad, then she was alright with me watching it. That is the past now but still tough times back then.

I am glad to see that many former 18 rated films have now been lowered to a 15, like Leon, The Terminator, Return of the Living Dead, The Shining and even American History X. I also heard Die Hard and Total Recall (1990) have been lowered to a 15 by the BBFC, but it still has the 18 rating on them if you purchase those films at DVD stores. So I'm glad that younger viewers will have the chance to watch those films now, since they are no longer rated 18.

I believe this has all been happening because we don't have an asshole like Ferman working for the BBFC now, who is less tough on film censorship. It was not till Ferman left the BBFC in 1999 when The Exorcist and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) came out on VHS and DVD. Also, The Matrix almost received an 18 rating if the headbutts were not cut and this was during the time of Ferman still with the BBFC. How asinine would an 18 rating be for The Matrix? Insane!

The new person who is now working with the BBFC certainly seems to be a lot more relaxed and less strict than Ferman. Although, there are times when I agree with the films that the BBFC have passed recently with an 18 rating. For example, films like Django Unchained, Dredd and Evil Dead remake were all pretty brutal and violent. The Evil Dead remake was incredibly gory (really enjoyable though), so I can understand why films like that would get an 18 rating. So there are still films that receive an 18 rating nowadays, but only when they really deserve the rating based on the content.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 16/5/2013 8:34:25 AM   
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Lethal weapon 2 was a case in point ,when i saw it at my local Odeon it was a 15 and yet on VHS it went up to an 18.

The othe reason there is a lack of big 18 movies is that the 18 cert is seen a kiss of death for most film studios heck even Ken Loach has had run ins with the BBFC over language content .
Its a shame i think because studios only seem to be aiming there films at a market which is getting smaller with all the tech thats around today.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 18/5/2013 8:21:33 PM   
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I was watching Aliens last night for the first time in a couple of years, where I realized that it does not really deserve the 18 certificate it has. It does contain the occasional F bombs, some horror and strong violence (a few bloody scenes) but nothing that is over the top.

If the BBFC bother to re classify the film later then I'm sure it could be lowered to a 15 rating. Even the head of the BBFC now said that Alien would be passed as a 15 if it was re submitted today. He stated that films today would only receive an 18 rating if if contained a level of sadistic violence and something horrific throughout, which Alien and Aliens do not contain. I even believe that Predator could be passed as a 15 today, as I remember the violence not being so brutal. The BBFC should really re classify some films that have been rated 18 and lower some of them to a 15, like Alien, Aliens, Predator, Halloween (1978), A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984), Scream and Nikita.

Some might disagree with those films being lowered to a 15, but I do not think they are too strong compared to other 18 rated films that we have nowadays.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 19/5/2013 12:06:31 AM   
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As one who is squeamish and doesn't enjoy watching people suffer, I really don't have a problem with films like Alien still being classed as an 18. An alien parasite graphically burts out of John Hurt's chest ffs! The people who argue for censorship reduction tend to be the ones who can watch any level of violence or gore without getting upset or disturbed. They consistently fail to remember that some people, like me, are more sensitive. It's us that the classifications exist to protect.

There are undoubtedly less 18s around today because the BBFC is more relaxed. I used to be able to watch a 15-rated film quite comfortably in the knowledge that it wouldn't contain anything too gruesome. Not any more. Prometheus is a good recent example; the (spoiler) self-performed cesarean section had me reaching for a sick bag.

I really don't understand people who bemoan the lack of uber-violent, sadistic films out there, or who complain that certain films are rated 18 when they are clearly over 18 themselves (this is not directed at any one person).

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 19/5/2013 2:56:01 AM   
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Not to be rude but seriously grow some balls. I don't know how old you are but if you are an adult then you have to be aware that it is only cinema. If you are looking for family friendly material then I suggest you stick to films rated U, PG and make 12's your limit.

I only saw Prometheus once at the cinema and I remember that abortion scene, which was perhaps pretty gross but not that horrific. The sickest abortion scene I probably ever saw in a film was in David Cronenberg's The Fly, where Geena Davis has that dream sequence of giving birth to a maggot. That scene was perhaps a lot more gross but I still did not consider getting out a sick bag. If you think Prometheus should have been an 18 instead of a 15 then I have no comment. I think it deserved the 15 rating it received.

I think it is great to see that the BBFC are more relaxed these days and I agree with the head of BBFC's views on the type of films that receive 18 certificates. James Ferman was an old bastard who passed quite a few films with ratings they did not deserve, where he even censored certain scenes to prevent higher ratings and those censored scenes hardly made a difference. For example, headbutts in films like The Cable Guy and The Matrix. If we still had someone like him working for the BBFC, there would be no chance in hell for some of the Horror films released today in their uncut form to get a UK release. I'm glad we have someone reasonable now like David Cooke. I was watching Evil Dead 2 not long ago which used to be an 18, but it has been lowered to a 15 now. There were some pretty gory scenes in that film but I assume the BBFC felt it was comical, hence why it is a 15 now.

Times have changed. Get used to it.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 19/5/2013 10:36:25 AM   
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Not to be rude but seriously grow some balls. I don't know how old you are but if you are an adult then you have to be aware that it is only cinema. If you are looking for family friendly material then I suggest you stick to films rated U, PG and make 12's your limit.


Okay.

a) Prefacing a statement with "not to be rude but..." does not make it any less rude. Grow some balls? No thanks, I'm female. Have some respect.

b) I am WELL AWARE that it is "only cinema", don't be so patronising. I don't wish to see lots of blood, guts and torture even if it is fake. I take no enjoyment at all out of watching it; it makes me feel queasy. It's not a case of needing to "grow up" - I have strong levels of compassion and empathy, and if I see something unpleasant it can disturb me. Cause, you know, bad shit really does happen out there. We are wired differently, I am more sensitive than you; don't be so judgmental. You don't know me or my history.

c) Did I say I was only looking for family friendly material? No. I like thrillers, psychological horrors, action films, all genres. I use the classifications and descriptions as a guide (e.g. I would avoid an 18 that said 'contains strong bloody horror'). That's what they're there for. Why should I have to only watch bloody Pixar films because I don't like watching anything gruesome? I didn't request your advice and I don't need it.


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I only saw Prometheus once at the cinema and I remember that abortion scene, which was perhaps pretty gross but not that horrific. The sickest abortion scene I probably ever saw in a film was in David Cronenberg's The Fly, where Geena Davis has that dream sequence of giving birth to a maggot. That scene was perhaps a lot more gross but I still did not consider getting out a sick bag.


Are you aware of metaphor and hyperbole? Or do you take everything so literally?


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If you think Prometheus should have been an 18 instead of a 15 then I have no comment.


Good.


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I think it deserved the 15 rating it received.


Congratulations.


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Times have changed. Get used to it.


Alien, Aliens, Predator, Halloween, A Nightmare On Elm Street, Scream and Nikita are still 18s. Get used to it.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 19/5/2013 9:33:09 PM   
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Not to be rude but seriously grow some balls. I don't know how old you are but if you are an adult then you have to be aware that it is only cinema. If you are looking for family friendly material then I suggest you stick to films rated U, PG and make 12's your limit.

I only saw Prometheus once at the cinema and I remember that abortion scene, which was perhaps pretty gross but not that horrific. The sickest abortion scene I probably ever saw in a film was in David Cronenberg's The Fly, where Geena Davis has that dream sequence of giving birth to a maggot. That scene was perhaps a lot more gross but I still did not consider getting out a sick bag. If you think Prometheus should have been an 18 instead of a 15 then I have no comment. I think it deserved the 15 rating it received.

I think it is great to see that the BBFC are more relaxed these days and I agree with the head of BBFC's views on the type of films that receive 18 certificates. James Ferman was an old bastard who passed quite a few films with ratings they did not deserve, where he even censored certain scenes to prevent higher ratings and those censored scenes hardly made a difference. For example, headbutts in films like The Cable Guy and The Matrix. If we still had someone like him working for the BBFC, there would be no chance in hell for some of the Horror films released today in their uncut form to get a UK release. I'm glad we have someone reasonable now like David Cooke. I was watching Evil Dead 2 not long ago which used to be an 18, but it has been lowered to a 15 now. There were some pretty gory scenes in that film but I assume the BBFC felt it was comical, hence why it is a 15 now.

Times have changed. Get used to it.


A LITTLE bit over-agressive there, adamthehorrorfan. I'm liking your posts, but I think that CC made a fair point. I'm a hardcore horror fan, as you may know oif you've read any of my previous posts, but I think that there is a lot of stuff put into the 15 catagory that should really be an 18. PROMETHEUS is one of those movies... that surgery scene was truly gross. Put it like this, a friend at work thought 'well, it's only a 15, it shouldn't be too bad...' and was really freaked out by it and couldn't watch the rest of the movie. And we all know that when a film is rated 15, a lot of older-looking 12-year olds will get into it because, let's face it, the cinema staff aren't paid enough to argue... and should 12-year olds be watching hardcore gore?

ALL really gory movies should be 18-rated, full-stop, end-of. Forget what the studio wants because it will increase their profits. These are movies aimed at adults, not children.


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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 20/5/2013 9:27:37 AM   
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Apologies for going too far and I didn't know that user was a woman. Although, I did not find Prometheus super gory (in my opinion) and from what I recall the content was not strong enough to receive an 18.

I understand that censors are not releasing many films at 18 today because the distributors want to make more money, but I felt that now the BBFC are only passing films at 18 if they really deserve it. If you are talking about controversial films, like Cannibal Holocaust, Salo, Irreversible, Pink Flamingos or Baise Moi then obviously they will always remain at 18, which I highly agree with. Not specially films that are extreme but even films like American Psycho, Pulp Fiction, Lost Highway, Natural Born Killers or Robocop should always remain at 18 as well. I just believe that there are certain ones I mentioned last time like, Alien, Aliens and some others that could be lowered at a 15 today.

The strongest 15 I could think of is The Cabin in the Woods but there are films much gorier. Even though I was wondering how it got away with a 15, I later noticed that the gore scenes did not focus much on the infliction of pain. That is what usually gets a film an 18 certificate.

I think the BBFC are in the best position to know what ratings are best for every film.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 20/5/2013 1:05:23 PM   
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I always wanted them to make certain films as 18 rated.

even if its just for Blu-Ray or DVD purposes so they can still claim their box office with a lower rating.

I'd love them to make 18 rated Bond movies for release on Blu-Ray or even some action movies that end up average or poor due to the watering down to get a 12a certificate.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 20/5/2013 9:00:04 PM   
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Apologies for going too far and I didn't know that user was a woman. Although, I did not find Prometheus super gory (in my opinion) and from what I recall the content was not strong enough to receive an 18.

I understand that censors are not releasing many films at 18 today because the distributors want to make more money, but I felt that now the BBFC are only passing films at 18 if they really deserve it. If you are talking about controversial films, like Cannibal Holocaust, Salo, Irreversible, Pink Flamingos or Baise Moi then obviously they will always remain at 18, which I highly agree with. Not specially films that are extreme but even films like American Psycho, Pulp Fiction, Lost Highway, Natural Born Killers or Robocop should always remain at 18 as well. I just believe that there are certain ones I mentioned last time like, Alien, Aliens and some others that could be lowered at a 15 today.

The strongest 15 I could think of is The Cabin in the Woods but there are films much gorier. Even though I was wondering how it got away with a 15, I later noticed that the gore scenes did not focus much on the infliction of pain. That is what usually gets a film an 18 certificate.

I think the BBFC are in the best position to know what ratings are best for every film.


Good post, adam, for the record you didn't go too far, it's obviously something you are passionate about and sometimes passions run high...

My opinion still stands... if you put a rating out there, you can shave three years off that... 15 year olds will get into 18-rated films, same for 15-rated movies. And there is a lot of VERY gruesome stuff put into the 15-rated catagory, you mentioned CABIN IN THE WOODS, a perfect example. And, if you're demoting all that bloody stuff, then why not put more of it into the 12A catagory? Which any small child can see as long as they are in the company of a, ahem, 'responsible adult'?

I don't know if you're familiar with the US rating system, an 'R' rating is basically the equivalent of a 15 or 18 rating, but it's only a guidance thing... you could take a five year old into 'Natural Born Killers' or 'Hostel'. Apologies if any US readers if I've got this wrong, but this my understanding of the situation, I was taken to a very bloody movie (the name of which I can't remember) by my American cousin during a US holiday when I was 11 and I couldn't believe I was actually allowed to watch it...

The BBFC can't be trusted to give us an accurate and sensible rating to a film. During the 80's, they would happily give an 18 certificate to a completely vanilla TV movie if it was requested. And they'll happily give us a 15 certificate film with gallons of blood and quite a lot of nudity and f-bombs if the studio leans on them hard enough.

Which is why, to sum up my silly little post, is why I think films aimed at adults should be given an adult rating. 18, no kids or teenagers allowed!



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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 21/5/2013 2:57:25 AM   
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The BBFC can't be trusted to give us an accurate and sensible rating to a film.



Not true.


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I think films aimed at adults should be given an adult rating. 18, no kids or teenagers allowed!




This is really the point of this entire thread. People seem to think that if a film is not rated 18 then it couldn't possibly be an 'adult' film and is not aimed at them. Its got nothing to do with the content of the film or whether the BBFC are rating films accordingly. And how obscenely naive of you to assume that someone under the age of 18 couldn't grasp mature themes in a film.

I would wager that your requirements for an 18-rated film would be considerably less mature than the themes and content of a film aimed at adults that's been given a lower rating.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 21/5/2013 10:09:47 PM   
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The BBFC can't be trusted to give us an accurate and sensible rating to a film.



Not true.


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I think films aimed at adults should be given an adult rating. 18, no kids or teenagers allowed!




This is really the point of this entire thread. People seem to think that if a film is not rated 18 then it couldn't possibly be an 'adult' film and is not aimed at them. Its got nothing to do with the content of the film or whether the BBFC are rating films accordingly. And how obscenely naive of you to assume that someone under the age of 18 couldn't grasp mature themes in a film.

I would wager that your requirements for an 18-rated film would be considerably less mature than the themes and content of a film aimed at adults that's been given a lower rating.


'Obscenely niave'... woah, mate, that's a bit heavy!

I'm not talking about 'mature themes'... I'm talking about little kiddies watching hardcore horror scenes!

Perhaps I've missed the point of your post, as you said, I just think that adult movies should be for adults. Thats all.

Plus, is 'naive' the correct spelling of that word? Did we both get that wrong?



EDIT - that is the correct spelling of 'naive'!

I might be getting off the point here...

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 7/11/2013 3:34:23 AM   
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I recently went to watch Jackass: Bad Grandpa in the cinema, which is rated 15 and I was convinced after watching the film that something is definitely wrong with the BBFC.

As I am sure everyone knows, the first three Jackass films were all rated 18 and I was expecting the same for this one. I was surprised before seeing the film that it received a 15 rating and so was the friend I went to see it with. When I finally went to see the film, it contained some really graphic scenes of nudity. These included scenes where Knoxville (grandpa) pretends to have his penis stuck to a soda machine, where it actually shows him trying to pull out his shlong. There is also a scene in a strip bar that has Knoxville having a dance off with his trousers off, where you see him in his underwear and loose testicles hanging out on the side.

I know how insane it seems but all these scenes managed to get away with a 15 rating. When I think back to the older 15 rated films I have seen, I cannot think of a single one that went as far as that. I am aware though that it is only a Comedy and the old man look is all fake with Johnny Knoxville actually behind it.

I am not the toughest person when it comes to film censorship and I agree with some 18 rated films that have been lowered to a 15. Although, this one went over the line I think and they are clearly passing films at a lower rating to make more money. No wonder why it is very rare for 18 rated films to be released these days.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 7/11/2013 7:14:39 AM   
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I recently went to watch Jackass: Bad Grandpa in the cinema, which is rated 15 and I was convinced after watching the film that something is definitely wrong with the BBFC.

As I am sure everyone knows, the first three Jackass films were all rated 18 and I was expecting the same for this one. I was surprised before seeing the film that it received a 15 rating and so was the friend I went to see it with. When I finally went to see the film, it contained some really graphic scenes of nudity. These included scenes where Knoxville (grandpa) pretends to have his penis stuck to a soda machine, where it actually shows him trying to pull out his shlong. There is also a scene in a strip bar that has Knoxville having a dance off with his trousers off, where you see him in his underwear and loose testicles hanging out on the side.


But they are surely fake genitals? It's not necessarily graphic if it's not real. The Jackass movies are rated 18 because of the "crude and dangerous stunts" that could be easily imitated, such as sticking fireworks and toy cars up one's bum-hole. And also that stuff's real. Knoxville getting a fake knob stuck in a machine is not real, and while passers-by might think it's real the audience itself is in on the gag.

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Although, this one went over the line I think and they are clearly passing films at a lower rating to make more money.


I don't think there's any evidence of this. And I don't think the BBFC is making money from passing films at a lower rating, the criteria for classifying films has simply changed drastically over the last fifteen or so years. I wouldn't be surprised if Bad Grandpa got an 18 certificate on DVD though.


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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 7/11/2013 9:13:54 AM   
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Although, this one went over the line I think and they are clearly passing films at a lower rating to make more money.


Well, since the classifcation of any rating costs the same, the above implies that the BBFC are taking bribes for passing films at a lower rating.. which I don't think is true.

Films have to be pretty brutal to receive an 18 these days, and even then there's no guarantee that being brutal equals quality. Just look at Bullet To The Head.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 7/11/2013 9:52:06 AM   
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Just read (here on Empire) that Chuck Norris squeezed The Expendables 2 down to a PG-13. What the hey! Really hope there's an uncut Blu-ray/DVD.


yes Stallone has said its PG13 so will prob be 12A or maybe 15 in UK
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thank god Chuck Norris isnt in Prometheus else wed be totally f**ked


It's funny reading this back. Like I was gonna buy the blu-ray

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 7/11/2013 12:03:25 PM   
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@DancingClown. I know it's fake but still a bit much for a 15 rated film in my opinion. As I said, I cannot remember any 15 rated film I have seen before which went that far.

Whereas for the lower ratings these days, I would not say it is the BBFC that specially make the money but more for the distributor and for this film it is Paramount. There have been similar situations in the past, where a film like The Matrix was cut to get a 15 and it was even mentioned somewhere that it helped Warner Bros. to make more money. The only difference is that Jackass: Bad Grandpa was passed uncut and still received a 15 rating.

How times have changed.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 7/11/2013 12:34:59 PM   
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Ratings schmatings. If it's a good film, it's a good film.

Expendables 2 would have shit no matter what, even with swearing and blood.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 8/11/2013 5:15:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jcthefirst

Ratings schmatings. If it's a good film, it's a good film.

Expendables 2 would have shit no matter what, even with swearing and blood.


Ooh, you wouldnt say that if Snake Eyes was still here!

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 29/12/2013 12:38:56 PM   
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The Ritualization of Desensitization? Or something like that?

Definitely an interesting point - I think the bar had been gradually raised higher until audiences now see banned films to be the new '18'. We can look at the catalogue of Mr Thomas Six and his insect-oriented pukefests - the puke coming from the crappy storylines and acting by the way, not the graphic content.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 29/12/2013 2:39:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


quote:

ORIGINAL: jcthefirst

Ratings schmatings. If it's a good film, it's a good film.

Expendables 2 would have shit no matter what, even with swearing and blood.


Ooh, you wouldnt say that if Snake Eyes was still here!


Wouldn't have to. He knows it already.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 30/12/2013 10:33:27 AM   
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I think also it's partly a case of studios wanting to make more money. An 18 certificate restricts a huge amount of the audience from seeing a film, and they don't like that. Sometimes they sacrifice the film's integrity for the sake of a lower certificate.


True. But sadly the focus is now on teenagers. Point in case, the success of Super-hero movies. That's why not only the rated 18 movies are dead, family movies are also a thing of the past.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 19/1/2014 10:21:29 PM   
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Considering what can even make it into a 12a these days, t almost feels like the 15 has become the new 18. The only real reason I'm sad at the lack of 18s, is I just can't imagine what else they could possibly put into a movie to push it over the threshold from 15 to 18.

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RE: the severe lack of 18 rated films these days - 20/2/2014 2:52:44 AM   
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Considering what can even make it into a 12a these days, t almost feels like the 15 has become the new 18. The only real reason I'm sad at the lack of 18s, is I just can't imagine what else they could possibly put into a movie to push it over the threshold from 15 to 18.


The Wolf of Wall Street was passed as an 18, which contained non stop uses of the F bomb, graphic sex scenes and drug use. That is the type of material which gets passed as an 18 and I highly agreed with the rating for that film. If a film gets an 18 today then it has to be really strong material.

I assume The Raid 2 and Sin City 2 will receive an 18 too, as the original films were both rated 18 and incredibly violent. That is unless one/both of them will be less violent then you could expect a 15 rating instead.

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