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Borgen - 8/1/2012 9:47:06 AM   
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With this and The Killing, you could be forgiven for thinking Denmark is the world leader in consistently high quality TV dramas!

This was great. Wasn't sure quite what to expect, but a few familiar faces (if Strange and Meyer share a scene, will Sarah Lund be drawn in from another reality?), some great characters and some really good political manoeuvrings made this a really fun watch from the word go.


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RE: Borgen - 8/1/2012 12:18:57 PM   
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Damn, didn't know this was on - will have to catch the Wednesday repeat.

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RE: Borgen - 8/1/2012 9:22:54 PM   
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I caught it also, I would say it is a nice altertive to The Killing. The characters were well written, and it was a good insight into the world of politics, but at the same time it didn't seem to be taking itself too serious. A good opener couple of episodes.

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RE: Borgen - 12/1/2012 10:10:14 PM   
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I watched the first episode tonight.  I could have progressed to the second and got caught up for Saturday but I'm a bit tired so only watched the one.  Its quality is very evident, I'm just not quite sure where the hook is just yet. I'm halfway through The Killing II and the political preoccupation behind both seasons really suggest that the brains behind it really, really wanted to make a political expose all along and these murder mysteries were something of an excuse to incoporate City Hall and Government.  I'm interested to know how Borgen can be radically enticing with its political manoevring since The Killing has dealt with the minutaie of party politics twice already, been completely thorough in it, and still hold it as a subplot.  How further can a show completely dedicated to the power angle go while still being accessible and not just turn into specialist porn for Nick Robinson?  These aren't misgivings I'm expressing by the way, just genuine curiousity and I'll hopefully be sticking with this long enough to find out how exactly Borgen pulls it off.


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RE: Borgen - 13/1/2012 1:08:44 AM   
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But it is trying to be something different to The Killing. Whats wrong with that?

I actually didn't find the polictical stuff in the second Killing as engaging as in the first. The difference was in the first series they really crafted it nicely so that it became almost as important as the murder case (of course it was linked in some ways), also you got a lot more of the sense of the tension riding on every decission.

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RE: Borgen - 13/1/2012 9:18:43 AM   
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But it is trying to be something different to The Killing. Whats wrong with that?


There's nothing wrong with that.  Of course there isn't, I'm just saying it's difficult to present party politics and make gripping drama out of it, I'm saying that they managed it twice in the context of The Killing, it must be a gargantuan task to do it again for a 21 hour series completely focused on politics.  Again, I have to stress, these aren't misgivings, or concerns even, just the crux of my curiousity for how they're going to do it.  I'm intrigued, and looking forward to it. 

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RE: Borgen - 15/1/2012 11:55:27 AM   
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Still really into this, although the fourth episode hinted that it  may become slightly more episodic, which is slight detour from what I was expecting. Or at least, act I ended with the third episode. I'm consistently impressed by the production values; I've no idea how much of this is shot on the actual locations, but to an ignorant foreigner like me, it sure does convince.


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RE: Borgen - 15/1/2012 1:06:36 PM   
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I'm glad to see BBC Four are keeping up with the European imports.

So far, this is fantastic. They've struck the balance between professional and personal lives just right (Kasper in particular is fascinating), though I hope they don't fall down the old cliche of the good husband having an affair. It's starting to feel like a Danish West Wing, if anything, but with more balls. I'm hooked.


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RE: Borgen - 16/1/2012 6:09:03 PM   
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I liked the way they focused more on the reporter in the last two episodes and how we got a bit more depth given to the reporting. Also impressing how there are deep flaws in every character, but also good quanties, it is hard to tell who to dislike or like more, the press or the polictians.

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RE: Borgen - 18/1/2012 7:05:42 PM   
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THEIS!

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RE: Borgen - 29/1/2012 12:07:36 PM   
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And I think I'm right in saying Buch in this one as the funeral director. Clearly Denmark's pool of actors is pretty small! Two more really good episodes. I guess the most impressive thing is the way they shift tone so seamlessly; Kasper's backstory really dark but well judged, and so many genuinely funny lines. I'm not wowed by all of the storylines, but it's carried along with such a touch of class that I feel like I could watch this for years.


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RE: Borgen - 29/1/2012 6:13:42 PM   
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I agree it has gotten even better as it has moved along. A couple of soap opera elements we could have lived without, but on the whole very engrossing.

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RE: Borgen - 31/1/2012 12:16:15 PM   
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Not reading the thread yet-I had it on sky + so am only catching up now. The first two episodes were excellent. I like the fact that at this point Nystrom is out of her depth. The obvious breakout stars for me so far were the Spin Doctor and the Husband. The only negative is that seeing as it the first time there has been a likely female PM I never got the sense that the media were that interested in the political machinations, which wouldn't normally be the case.

Looking forward to seeing the rest of it.

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RE: Borgen - 7/2/2012 12:51:44 AM   
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Spoilers for the end of Season 1

Well, that was excellent. Sidse Babett Knudsen is incredible as Birgitte. That smile...

The season ends on a massive downer, with Nyborg getting rid of her closest confidant in politics and divorcing her husband. Very dark ending. Hard not to sympathise with her husband, even with his affair. There was no need for Birgitte to force him to resign. Think the husband has been the standout character really, very well played. Hope he remains a main character in the second season.

Find myself struggling to like Kasper in any way. The scene where he was being abused was horrific, could barely look at the screen. But the way he treats Katrine at points is awful. Speaking of Katrine, how on earth is she living in a bedsit when she's the main anchor on a major national news programme?!

Highlight of the finale had to be Lars Hesselboe congratulating Birgitte on her speech before promptly turning to a camera to slate it. Politics in a nutshell.

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RE: Borgen - 7/2/2012 5:59:32 PM   
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Phillip was a bit two-faced though; he agreed with Brigitte beforehand to not take the job and then did anyway. I thought that storyline was well executed and can't fault it really, but as they're the best TV marriage this side of Friday Night Lights, would have preferred it if they hadn't gone down the more well trodden TV route.

I thought that about Katrine too; maybe property prices in the centre of Copenhagen are astronomical? Maybe she's been there a while and has just been too focused on her career to sort something else out. Maybe the view is amazing.

I think Kasper's a bit of a shit, but a really fun character to watch. Reminds me of Joshua Jackson mixed with someone else (can't think who).

Great show, can't wait for the second series.


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RE: Borgen - 7/2/2012 8:50:43 PM   
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Spoilers for the end of Season 1

Well, that was excellent. Sidse Babett Knudsen is incredible as Birgitte. That smile...

The season ends on a massive downer, with Nyborg getting rid of her closest confidant in politics and divorcing her husband. Very dark ending. Hard not to sympathise with her husband, even with his affair. There was no need for Birgitte to force him to resign. Think the husband has been the standout character really, very well played. Hope he remains a main character in the second season.

Find myself struggling to like Kasper in any way. The scene where he was being abused was horrific, could barely look at the screen. But the way he treats Katrine at points is awful. Speaking of Katrine, how on earth is she living in a bedsit when she's the main anchor on a major national news programme?!

Highlight of the finale had to be Lars Hesselboe congratulating Birgitte on her speech before promptly turning to a camera to slate it. Politics in a nutshell.

What affair? I know Birgitte suspected him of seeing his student, but that turned out to be fulse.

Anyway very fine first season and I look forward to two.

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RE: Borgen - 7/2/2012 10:12:45 PM   
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He said he spent the night with the headhunter, although we never actually see her. 

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RE: Borgen - 7/2/2012 11:39:25 PM   
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What a great show, perhaps would've preferred it to be shown one a week. We never truly know if Philip does have an affair, he says he spent the night with someone else. But I think he did. Kaspar is a great character, surely he's got to bang Sanne now? Birgitte is one tough cookie but her poor kids, the bit where she hugged her daughter was heart breaking. 

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RE: Borgen - 6/1/2013 7:37:33 PM   
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Really good return. Even the relentless actor crossover with The Killing ("Well, when I was the Prime Minister") adds to the appeal. I do wonder if my complete lack of Danish political knowledge does toughen up certain elements where I'd criticise them in a British show at times though.

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RE: Borgen - 21/1/2013 9:18:10 PM   
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Just finished watching the first series. Taken quite a while, but I've loved it. The last two episodes were extremely moving, quite difficult viewing at times.



Got series two on Sky Plus all ready to catch up with now.

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RE: Borgen - 16/11/2013 11:17:14 PM   
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Welcome back Borgen, I've missed you. You are so much damn fun to watch.

More coherent thoughts tomorrow, probably.

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RE: Borgen - 17/11/2013 1:58:49 PM   
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The new opening credits gave away a little about the changes - Torben bumped up in screen time, Kasper demoted (took me a second to recognise him with his new hair).

The Hong Kong bit just demonstrates that 'this isn't TV, it's Danish TV', something which I can't imagine has anything near the budget of a British, let alone American, show, and looks like a film.

Again, there's this 'distancing effect' in that I don't really understand Danish politics enough to know if the plot developments are kinda ludicrous (I can only assume they are a bit of a stretch at least), but that toughens up the show so that it's not important when watching it.

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RE: Borgen - 18/11/2013 11:00:14 PM   
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With being at Uni and not having access to a TV I missed the second series, but was able to see the start of third this weekend I thought it was a cracking opening.

To start her own party is just in the nature of the Brigtte character, and it is good how with many characters it is hard to see which direction they are going in. Good character develop, if a little rushed, but again very engrossing.

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RE: Borgen - 27/11/2013 8:50:39 PM   
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Great to have it back. Some good humour in there as well.

"She's in a bad mood. She's charging for the coffee again." Great line.

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RE: Borgen - 28/11/2013 2:24:05 PM   
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wish they would re run during the week as before.

hear a radio 4 spin off is coming in dec.

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RE: Borgen - 1/12/2013 7:51:41 PM   
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Another fine couple of episodes. Just two weeks and it's all over...and, well, they're not going to kill Brigitte off are they? I don't think so, but her illness what subtley foreshadowed a few episodes earlier and I thought it was well-handled (first person she tells? Bent I was assume) and Sidse Babett Knudsen was excellent (isn't she always? I'd vote for her).

Of course, it wouldn't be a Danish drama it it didn't feature a bunch of actors we're excited to see from previous shows, I'm guessing (er, hoping) I wasn't the only one to think "Troels!" as soon as Lars Mikkelsen showed up. And sharing screen time with Rie from The Killing too. Of course, I was even more shocked to see bloody Moxey from Auf Wierdersehen, Pet as the former KGB operative.

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RE: Borgen - 6/12/2013 7:05:35 PM   
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Another fine couple of episodes. Just two weeks and it's all over...and, well, they're not going to kill Brigitte off are they? I don't think so, but her illness what subtley foreshadowed a few episodes earlier and I thought it was well-handled (first person she tells? Bent I was assume) and Sidse Babett Knudsen was excellent (isn't she always? I'd vote for her).

Of course, it wouldn't be a Danish drama it it didn't feature a bunch of actors we're excited to see from previous shows, I'm guessing (er, hoping) I wasn't the only one to think "Troels!" as soon as Lars Mikkelsen showed up. And sharing screen time with Rie from The Killing too. Of course, I was even more shocked to see bloody Moxey from Auf Wierdersehen, Pet as the former KGB operative.



Having not really watched the Killing, the appearance of Moxey was the greatest moment there for me.

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RE: Borgen - 8/12/2013 1:14:07 PM   
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I recommend it, in addition to Faroe jumpers, it'd give you the chance to play the "Hey I know them from that other programme" in reverse. Specifically Torben, a character I'm not sure I'd have as much empathy for had he not got an acting history of a character with a bit more integrity. Realistically, I'm just desperate for him to punch Alex in the last episode.

Another great pair of episodes, the first really electric stuff over its first half with Hesselboe's election announcement. Again, lack of Danish political knowledge plays in the show's favour; for me it might as well be a science fiction show in terms of questioning how realistic the multi-party politics is, but I sure do enjoy it.

While I'm not sad that the show's ending, I can't help but look at the roster of fine supporting characters they've got here and think that extra time with them would be worthwhile. I'll miss them, definitely.

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RE: Borgen - 10/12/2013 3:20:40 PM   
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bbc4 hd. just in time.

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RE: Borgen - 10/12/2013 9:29:40 PM   
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I recommend it, in addition to Faroe jumpers, it'd give you the chance to play the "Hey I know them from that other programme" in reverse. Specifically Torben, a character I'm not sure I'd have as much empathy for had he not got an acting history of a character with a bit more integrity. Realistically, I'm just desperate for him to punch Alex in the last episode.

Another great pair of episodes, the first really electric stuff over its first half with Hesselboe's election announcement. Again, lack of Danish political knowledge plays in the show's favour; for me it might as well be a science fiction show in terms of questioning how realistic the multi-party politics is, but I sure do enjoy it.

While I'm not sad that the show's ending, I can't help but look at the roster of fine supporting characters they've got here and think that extra time with them would be worthwhile. I'll miss them, definitely.



I've watched a few episodes, and started after watching Borgen, so naturally Torben was one I recognised. Really enjoying the series, though slightly sad that we are just two away from the end. Also upset me that Nete betrayed Birgitte, on account of the fact she was hot.

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